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[Addictress]

I just finished reading Masked Empire. I knew from following the fandom and playing Trespasser that the figure who slays Felassan at the very end is the Dread Wolf, but if I hadn't done those things, I don't think I would've figured it out. It doesn't describe the figure or the circumstances of the Dread Wolf at the time. The only references to the Dread Wolf are in passing curses said throughout the book and then one time someone in the Dalish camp strangely refers to Felassan as the Dread Wolf... which confused me. What am I missing?

[thats1evildude]

Nobody refers to Felassan as the Dread Wolf, as I recall. The closest reference was when the Keeper says to Felassan "Why by the Dread Wolf did you bring them here?"

It wasn't apparent from the clues that Felassan was working for Fen'Harel. It was only later, after DAI came out, that it became somewhat apparent who was Felassan's master. Trespasser just confirmed it.

I mean, look at the evidence: Felassan knows all this lore about Fen'Harel but seems to pay no reverence to the other elven gods. His name is a reference to a legend about Fen'Harel. The Dread Wolf is said to be the only active elven god. Who else could he be working for?

[Addictress]

Nobody refers to Felassan as the Dread Wolf, as I recall. The closest reference was when the Keeper says to Felassan "Why by the Dread Wolf did you bring them here?"

It wasn't apparent from the clues that Felassan was working for Fen'Harel. It was only later, after DAI came out, that it became somewhat apparent who was Felassan's master. Trespasser just confirmed it.

I mean, look at the evidence: Felassan knows all this lore about Fen'Harel but seems to pay no reverence to the other elven gods. His name is a reference to a legend about Fen'Harel. The Dread Wolf is said to be the only active elven God. Who else could he be working for?

ooohh so it is correct that reading the book independently of playing the game or any of the other things, you wouldn't able to tell.

 

I feel less dumb thanks

[Dai Grepher]

I mean, look at the evidence: Felassan knows all this lore about Fen'Harel but seems to pay no reverence to the other elven gods. His name is a reference to a legend about Fen'Harel. The Dread Wolf is said to be the only active elven god. Who else could he be working for?

 

Corypheus.

 

The figure that kills him at the end seems to have Corypheus' style of dealing with those who fail him. It would also make sense because Corypheus had the elven orb and was searching for the eluvians. Would also explain his hatred of Celene.

[Abyss108]

I dunno, I think it was pretty heavily suggested. He does nothing but talk about the Dread Wolf, he's named after a tale about the Dread Wolf, he goes to the Fade to talk to someone when all the legends say that's where the Dread Wolf lives...

 

Wasn't confirmed, but was definitely hinted at.

[PapaCharlie9]

I have a hard time reconciling the timing. These events have to be put into some kind of sequence, but how does Solas get from one place to another in time? Presumably without Eluvians.

These are not necessarily in order, but rather, everything that has to be put into some kind of reasonable sequence, allowing for non-Eluvian travel times between locations.

• Solas wakes up too weak to unlock the Orb
• Solas acquires some agents, Felassan among them
• Celene/Gaspard civil war begins
• Felassan reports to Solas that Briala has a key to the Eluvian network. Solas says, get me that key!
• Felassan fails to acquire the key, Solas sacks him with extreme prejudice (what a nice guy!)
• Solas figures out some other way to get the key from Briala, "himself", whatever that means
• Solas gives Coryphish the Orb
• Solas observes the Conclave blowing up, chortles over how clever he is
• Oops, the Breach is opened, no Orb in the ruins, and a new player on the field: The Herald of Andraste
• Celene and Briala split up (does Briala have the key at this point?)
• Events of the Winter Palace, Briala does not have the key (?)

 

Some items have to go in a certain sequence, like Solas giving Coryphish the Orb has to happen before the Conclave blows up, but it's not clear where the other stuff fits in. Before giving the Orb? After giving the Orb but before the Conclave? After the Conclave?

 

Briala's key is, well, key. When does she have it and when does she lose it? Before or after the events at the Winter Palace? If she's executed (one possibility), is that when Solas gets it? What if she is reconciled? Sometime in the 2 year gap?

[thats1evildude]

Celene and Briala had broken up LONG before the Conclave. Briala still had control of the Orlesian eluvians at the Winter Palace.

I think it's likely that Solas had been directing Felassan while asleep. His mind would have still been linked to the Fade.

 

I suspect that Felassan's standing orders from Solas had been "Get control of the eluvians," which is why he had been working with the Dalish clan who was trying to restore them. Working with Briala was only a side project: she gave him information that he passed on to Clan Virnehn. However, when Imshael slaughtered Clan Virnehn, his mission switched to "Help Briala get control of the eluvians, and then take it from her." Which he disagreed with.

[Gervaise]

Before Trespasser I thought the likely culprits for killing Felassan were either the Dread Wolf, Flemeth or Morrigan (or the unknown antagonist of DAI).    However, Cole confirmed that it definitely was the Dread Wolf who killed him "The Slow Arrow breaks in the sad wolf's jaws."   Slow Arrow is the translation of Felassan's name.   Then Solas, the Dread Wolf, says how his agent was meant to get control of the eluvians for him but failed.   However, if you have read the novel then you know that is not true; he didn't fail, he chose not to take away the eluvians from Briala and knew the likely penalty would be death.  When Masked Empire was written I think the Solas was still in his original incarnation which was a lot more like the trickster the Dalish claimed him to be and he was a lot less likeable a character.    However, it was then decided to soften him, plus give him a romance to make him more appealing and people sympathise with him more.

 

Felassan was active for some twenty years at least before the events of DAI because he helped Briala first after Celene had arranged for the murder of her servants to ensure she became Empress.    In World of Thedas 2, the accounts given of Felassan by Celene and Gaspard both agree he did not behave like a city elf or a Dalish and gave the impression he had actually experienced the history he talked about.   So it is clear he is meant to be an ancient elf, a follower of Fen'Harel, who must have awakened from Uthenera in advance of his leader in order to prepare the way for him.   As Felassan was a dreamer and so was Solas, it was easy enough for the Dread Wolf to contact him through the Fade to find out how he was getting on.  

[thats1evildude]

he didn't fail, he chose not to take away the eluvians from Briala and knew the likely penalty would be death.

 

That's still failing, it's just doing so deliberately.

 

The Inquisitor had no idea who Felassan was. Would it have been more sensible for Solas to say "My agent acted as Briala's mentor for a time and then decided not to take the eluvians from her because he had a change of heart" or to just say "My agent failed"?

[Mlady]

That's still failing, it's just doing so deliberately.

 

The Inquisitor had no idea who Felassan was. Would it have been more sensible for Solas to say "My agent acted as Briala's mentor for a time and then decided not to take the eluvians from her because he had a change of heart" or to just say "My agent failed"?

 

I think  going into the details would have ruined it. By keeping it subtle, it probably helped encourage those who had not purchased the book to read it too.

 

And his fate fits so perfectly with Solas ending up in a similar situation and realizing everyone was real, especially if romanced.

[Addictress]

Before Trespasser I thought the likely culprits for killing Felassan were either the Dread Wolf, Flemeth or Morrigan (or the unknown antagonist of DAI).    However, Cole confirmed that it definitely was the Dread Wolf who killed him "The Slow Arrow breaks in the sad wolf's jaws."   Slow Arrow is the translation of Felassan's name.   Then Solas, the Dread Wolf, says how his agent was meant to get control of the eluvians for him but failed.   However, if you have read the novel then you know that is not true; he didn't fail, he chose not to take away the eluvians from Briala and knew the likely penalty would be death.  When Masked Empire was written I think the Solas was still in his original incarnation which was a lot more like the trickster the Dalish claimed him to be and he was a lot less likeable a character.    However, it was then decided to soften him, plus give him a romance to make him more appealing and people sympathise with him more.

 

Felassan was active for some twenty years at least before the events of DAI because he helped Briala first after Celene had arranged for the murder of her servants to ensure she became Empress.    In World of Thedas 2, the accounts given of Felassan by Celene and Gaspard both agree he did not behave like a city elf or a Dalish and gave the impression he had actually experienced the history he talked about.   So it is clear he is meant to be an ancient elf, a follower of Fen'Harel, who must have awakened from Uthenera in advance of his leader in order to prepare the way for him.   As Felassan was a dreamer and so was Solas, it was easy enough for the Dread Wolf to contact him through the Fade to find out how he was getting on.  

 

 

It was definitely clear that Felassan was an ancient elf. However, without playing DAI you wouldn't know that the gods are also just ancient elves and that, besides Mythal, there are other gods who are actively participating in the world. I would've assumed that the references to Slow Arrow and Fen'Harel were just illustrative allegory or something to compare Felassan to, to describe his character, not necessarily that Fen'Harel is actually an active body acting out in the world at that time.

[Mlady]

It was definitely clear that Felassan was an ancient elf. However, without playing DAI you wouldn't know that the gods are also just ancient elves and that, besides Mythal, there are other gods who are actively participating in the world. I would've assumed that the references to Slow Arrow and Fen'Harel were just illustrative allegory or something to compare Felassan to, to describe his character, not necessarily that Fen'Harel is actually an active body acting out in the world at that time.

 

Cole's words are definitely implying Solas killed him, and Solas himself nearly confirms it by saying he had to take over when he failed, and a romanced Solas who dumped you taken along with Cole has that interesting dialogue about him seeing you as real, same words Cole uses about why Felassan died. It's not completely fact and left up to us I assume, but it's pretty heavily hinted at enough for me to confirm he did kill him somehow. I'm guessing he did it in dreams, where he spent most of his time before we meet him.

 

I think Trespasser is a way to wrap up all the books before the next chapter begins and the books left certain things out so we'd be shocked.

[Addictress]

Cole's words are definitely implying Solas killed him, and Solas himself nearly confirms it by saying he had to take over when he failed, and a romanced Solas who dumped you taken along with Cole has that interesting dialogue about him seeing you as real, same words Cole uses about why Felassan died. It's not completely fact and left up to us I assume, but it's pretty heavily hinted at enough for me to confirm he did kill him somehow. I'm guessing he did it in dreams, where he spent most of his time before we meet him.

I think Trespasser is a way to wrap up all the books before the next chapter begins and the books left certain things out so we'd be shocked.

My whole post is about outside the game/if u didn't play the game
I think you're talking about what Cole says in the game

Anyways, I am so disappointed and anxious about Solas. ;__; I hope he can be redeemed. I feel tortured.

[PapaCharlie9]

Briala still had control of the Orlesian eluvians at the Winter Palace.

Makes sense, since Briala does boast of a large elven spy network. I guess it doesn't matter if Briala is executed or not. Arguably it would be easier to take the key if she's executed, or if she gave it to someone else prior to being executed. If she is not executed, though, some kind of passing comment during Trespasser about the elf spy network collapsing would have been appreciated.

I think it's likely that Solas had been directing Felassan while asleep. His mind would have still been linked to the Fade.

That certainly relaxes a constraint on the timing. By the same token, whoever killed Felassan could also have been an agent of Solas in similar contact.

[Mlady]

My whole post is about outside the game/if u didn't play the game
I think you're talking about what Cole says in the game

Anyways, I am so disappointed and anxious about Solas. ;__; I hope he can be redeemed. I feel tortured.

 

You have to do both to understand it. Read the book and play the game to get the full conclusion. If you do one or the other, you are left with more questions and I think that was done intentionally so you would by the book and the DLC. That's why the book's ending is ambiguous.

 

I think because we have the option to save him, it will be a possibility. I'm hoping it is myself.

[Gervaise]

The reason I wondered if it could be the Dread Wolf who killed Felassan after reading the book is that the Dalish believe he stalked the Fade after shutting away the elven gods, preying on the souls that he found there.   This is why they still made offerings to appease him and had the saying "May the Dread Wolf never hear your step."    So this is why there was the idea it could have been Fen'Harel who was responsible.     I always thought Felassan was an ancient elf from the book, but WoT2 just confirmed it, and it was because of Felassan that I always thought that Solas was an ancient elf.   I never bought into the whole story about how he was just a simple apostate from some small remote village who happened to have acquired an extensive knowledge of the Fade.   Funnily enough I also thought that he possibly came from the same group of ancient elves as Felassan and they might have a connection with Fen'Harel, so the only big surprise for me was that he actually was Fen'Harel (and then of course the whole bit about creating the Veil in Trespasser).

 

I also think that when he says how there have been a long line of friends that he has ended up hurting or destroying for the sake of his purpose, he was probably thinking of Felassan in particular at that moment.   Once again, he took at action in the heat of his anger that he later regretted.   It seems to be the story of Solas' life.