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[MrFob]

So this just came up a couple of times in some ME1/2/3 related threads but I think it's worth a mention here.

 

I really think the new ship (Tempest or whatever it will be called) should have a brig, so we can make arrests and hand people over to authorities for trials.

 

Some of the worst decisions in the trilogy had to do with very binary choices of either letting people go free or shooting them dead when it was clear that neither was an optimal option. Prominent (and recently discussed) examples include Shiala, Rana Thenoptis and even the Rachni Queen.

 

Ok, the queen would probably not fit in a brig but I am not so much talking about an actual brig but rather about the option to have people arrested. Some of the better decisions in the ME trilogy happen when we get that chance. Think about Major Kyle or Jacob's father, it simply made sense to have them arrested. I am not saying it always has to work out. I was ok with how things ended with Helena Blake or Dr. Ross, that rogue ExoGeni researcher, who tried to grow docile Thorian creepers on Nodacrux. They won't let themselves arrested but at least we get the option to try.

 

Of course, bonus points for an actual brig where we can visit the people we just arrested before we hand them over.

 

TLDR: Give us the option to arrest people instead of just letting us either shoot them or let them go free.

[Lady Artifice]

I like this idea. It would even better if there's a tense dialogue scene with one of the prisoners.

[Master Warder Z_]

I like this idea. It would even better if there's a tense dialogue scene with one of the prisoners.

 

 

[Revan Reborn]

While I think this idea is interesting, and relates to DAI's throne mechanic, I'm not sure it would make much sense in Andromeda. I don't really know what kind of governmental structure the ARK will have. We know there will be some military apparatus with a chain of command more than likely. Pathfinders? N7? Whatever our protagonist ends up being affiliated as.

 

We don't know anything about the new species or worlds. They may not believe in the process of a criminal justice system in which one makes arrests. Heck, they might just have sex with people if they commit a crime. I don't know. Your idea is interesting, although that brig might get a bit crowded after a while. I don't know how big the "tempest," "Normandy SR-3," or whatever is going to be, but it probably wouldn't make sense to house every enemy you ever come across and decide to arrest. That being said, I believe the jail in Skyhold was incredibly underused.

[MrFob]

While I think this idea is interesting, and relates to DAI's throne mechanic, I'm not sure it would make much sense in Andromeda. I don't really know what kind of governmental structure the ARK will have. We know there will be some military apparatus with a chain of command more than likely. Pathfinders? N7? Whatever our protagonist ends up being affiliated as.

 

We don't know anything about the new species or worlds. They may not believe in the process of a criminal justice system in which one makes arrests. Heck, they might just have sex with people if they commit a crime. I don't know. Your idea is interesting, although that brig might get a bit crowded after a while. I don't know how big the "tempest," "Normandy SR-3," or whatever is going to be, but it probably wouldn't make sense to house every enemy you ever come across and decide to arrest. That being said, I believe the jail in Skyhold was incredibly underused.

 

Good points. I totally agree on the issue of alien justice systems. This could even be an interesting plot for a side mission. However, at least when dealing with Milky Way species, I would assume that there would be some sort of justice system set up in Andromeda. A population as large as the ARK's would have to be (for genetic variety in all the MW races) wouldn't really work very well without one.

 

As for the brig getting crowded, as I said, the brig from the title was more figurative than a real thought. However, if there would be one, I would just have the latest prisoner in there for the time until the next mission. Otherwise I would hadwave it by saying they get picked up by the ARK/colony, whatever off screen before the next mission. Whether that would work well or not is tough to say by now and very much depends on the scenario and game design.

 

In the end, I mainly just hope we'll have less of those go-free-or-die decisions.

[pkypereira]

I think there should be an airlock next to the brig.

[FlyingSquirrel]

I agree with this. I could never follow the logic behind why Shepard could make arrests in some situations but not in others.

[Sarayne]

Only if we can romance the prisoners and maybe the brig itself too

[Revan Reborn]

Good points. I totally agree on the issue of alien justice systems. This could even be an interesting plot for a side mission. However, at least when dealing with Milky Way species, I would assume that there would be some sort of justice system set up in Andromeda. A population as large as the ARK's would have to be (for genetic variety in all the MW races) wouldn't really work very well without one.

 

As for the brig getting crowded, as I said, the brig from the title was more figurative than a real thought. However, if there would be one, I would just have the latest prisoner in there for the time until the next mission. Otherwise I would hadwave it by saying they get picked up by the ARK/colony, whatever off screen before the next mission. Whether that would work well or not is tough to say by now and very much depends on the scenario and game design.

 

In the end, I mainly just hope we'll have less of those go-free-or-die decisions.

Fair enough. With regard to Shepard, however, his "set free or die" policy actually made sense. For one, he wasn't law enforcement. He was a spectre, and their missions are top secret with a license to kill. Thus, being a sociopath isn't really that unreasonable given the discretionary power spectres actually have to do whatever they want.

 

Since we are just going to be a rookie now, instead of the galaxy's greatest Mary Sue, it would be nice to have some more variety. If we are part of some military apparatus, having prisoners of war could make sense. If we are just explorers though, I don't know why we would even be taking prisoners. Who's going to feed them?

 

It really just comes down to what our role actually is in the game. A soldier's primary duty isn't to go around arresting "criminal scum." Not to say we should just shoot first and ask questions later, but this whole mechanic would really need to fit into the narrative of the game.

[Revan Reborn]

Only if we can romance the prisoners and maybe the brig itself too

Is dropping the soap an optional romance?

[Obliviousmiss]

While I think this idea is interesting, and relates to DAI's throne mechanic, I'm not sure it would make much sense in Andromeda. I don't really know what kind of governmental structure the ARK will have. We know there will be some military apparatus with a chain of command more than likely. Pathfinders? N7? Whatever our protagonist ends up being affiliated as.

 

 

Sitting upon my throne and judging others was my favorite part of DAI. Bring it on.

[MrFob]

With regard to Shepard, however, his "set free or die" policy actually made sense. For one, he wasn't law enforcement. He was a spectre, and their missions are top secret with a license to kill. Thus, being a sociopath isn't really that unreasonable given the discretionary power spectres actually have to do whatever they want.

 
I agree with the rest of your post, just want to comment on this little bit, which I disagree with.
 
While Spectres are allowed to do whatever they want, they are by no means encouraged to just kill people (as Udina points out and also as Revelation makes clear). Shepard's missions are not that secret (he is giving media interviews and whatnot) and more often we do have the option to arrest people (see the OP) so it's not unreasonable. Heck, in the case of the Rachni Queen, Kaiden even points out later that we should have left it to the council, a cringe worthy moment, given that most of us were probably looking for that option as well. I don't mind that we could play Shep as a sociopath, I do mind that we kind of had to some times.
 

It really just comes down to what our role actually is in the game. A soldier's primary duty isn't to go around arresting "criminal scum." Not to say we should just shoot first and ask questions later, but this whole mechanic would really need to fit into the narrative of the game.

No but a soldier also doesn't have the right to go around killing people randomly. But you are right, of course it has to fit. I don't even want to make a big deal out of it, I just hope that in Andromeda, if there is a reasonable way to solve things, give us that dialogue option please.

[Revan Reborn]

Sitting upon my throne and judging others was my favorite part of DAI. Bring it on.

I enjoyed it. The problem was it rarely happened and it was far too brief. I wanted more depth to judgments. It really was just fluff.

 

 
I agree with the rest of your post, just want to comment on this little bit, which I disagree with.
 
While Spectres are allowed to do whatever they want, they are by no means encouraged to just kill people (as Udina points out and also as Revelation makes clear). Shepard's missions are not that secret (he is giving media interviews and whatnot) and more often we do have the option to arrest people (see the OP) so it's not unreasonable. Heck, in the case of the Rachni Queen, Kaiden even points out later that we should have left it to the council, a cringe worthy moment, given that most of us were probably looking for that option as well. I don't mind that we could play Shep as a sociopath, I do mind that we kind of had to some times.
 

No but a soldier also doesn't have the right to go around killing people randomly. But you are right, of course it has to fit. I don't even want to make a big deal out of it, I just hope that in Andromeda, if there is a reasonable way to solve things, give us that dialogue option please.

Well, they aren't encouraged to kill because it leaves a paperwork disaster behind it. Spectres have the authority to do whatever gets the job done, as long as they complete their mission. They only get in trouble when they go rogue and aren't working in the interest of the Citadel, like Saren. Even with Saren, it was difficult for the Council to even betray him just because spectres have so much discretion in what they do.

 

Shepard was getting media interviews because he was the first human spectre, not specifically what he was doing as a spectre. In actuality, a spectre's mission is entirely undercover. As you know, Anderson was a candidate to be the first human spectre, but was betrayed by Saren. Nobody even knows Anderson was close to being a spectre. That's how top secret their missions are. It's not for the general public to know.

 

The whole rachni queen scenario was ridiculous anyways, but certainly unleashing a galactic threat without some sort of approval was a bit ridiculous. However, BioWare obviously had plans for the rachni queen later.

 

All I'm saying is what gives a spectre his authority is there are no rules, and he can kill as many people as he wants with really no repercussions. That's the perk of having your authority straight from the council. The only downside is you have to buy your own gear.

 

Well, that depends on the soldier's commanding officer. If the commanding officer is ordering the soldier to slaughter civilians, you better believe the soldier is going to do it. Otherwise he'll likely receive a court martial or worse for disobeying a superior officer's orders. So really, whether a soldier kills or not depends entirely on the chain of command.

 

I'm not even sure we are going to be a soldier though. We seem to be more of an explorer based on leaks and what BioWare has hinted at. Either way, I agree more options are good! The only issue with your option is it's a lot more work for BioWare to have to do something with those individuals. But again, they already kind of did this with the throne mechanic in DAI, so it's possible.

[MrFob]

I get what you are saying Revan but it's a bit beside the point. I don't argue that Spectres CAN kill, I argue that they don't have to. None of the examples I mentioned were mission critical. Killing these people does not help getting the job done. Again:

I don't mind that we could play Shep as a sociopath, I do mind that we kind of had to some times.

 
As for the soldier thing, fair enough but I wrote that he can't go kill random people. That's different from killing people he's ordered to kill (although on a tangent, I think when refusing an order to slaughter civilians for no reason, there is a good chance to get out of a court marshal without punishment, depending on the circumstances).

Anyway, obviously the scenario needs to make sense. I think chances are that we are yet again going to be in a position of relative freedom where we are asked to act by our own judgement (anything else would make little sense in the context of an ME game). So if we are in that position, I would like to have these options when appropriate.

[wright1978]

I agree there are times where I would have appreciated an arrest option in the trilogy. Not sure I would have used it with the rachni though.
however in andromeda I hope there is a tough frontier justice, so I hope arresting is rather limited. I can't see colonies wanting to arrest everyone and then having to deal with confining them, whilst EU are trying to establish themselves.

[Kabooooom]

At first, I read the title of this thread as "the new ship needs a bridge" and I was like "no ****".

I need sleep.

[MrFob]

At first, I read the title of this thread as "the new ship needs a bridge" and I was like "no ****".

I need sleep.

 

Allience ships need brigs, Asari ships just need a hole to put the bad boys in.

[ZipZap2000]

What would be the point in not shooting Rana? As long she's alive she's a threat.

[MrFob]

What would be the point in not shooting Rana? As long she's alive she's a threat.

See here.

 

It's kind of off topic here, so if you want to discuss, please post in the linked thread.

[Master Warder Z_]

A soldier's primary duty isn't to go around arresting "criminal scum."

 

[Revan Reborn]

Someone got my reference! I remember when I accidentally picked up a random spoon in the middle of the forest in Oblivion. An imperial guard came out of nowhere trying to arrest me for "stealing" the random spoon.

 

"10/10 Would be criminal scum again" - IGN

[Medhia_Nox]

If the protagonist is an explorer with a ship... a brig makes sense in a holding capacity.  Your crew could, in theory, hold many unsavory characters (being people who want to explore hostile environments and not sit in what luxury is left on the Ark).

 

But, if the Ark is always in contact and the ruling body is not your protagonist (and I hope it is not) then a Paragon equivalent would hand them off to the Ark while a Renegade equivalent would be judge, jury and executioner (not unlike a ship's captain during the Age of Exploration)

[Master Warder Z_]

If the protagonist is an explorer with a ship... a brig makes sense in a holding capacity.  Your crew could, in theory, hold many unsavory characters (being people who want to explore hostile environments and not sit in what luxury is left on the Ark).

 

But, if the Ark is always in contact and the ruling body is not your protagonist (and I hope it is not) then a Paragon equivalent would hand them off to the Ark while a Renegade equivalent would be judge, jury and executioner (not unlike a ship's captain during the Age of Exploration)

 

I'd love to run a militarized kangaroo court. I mean why waste time feeding, shipping and taking care of a non productive hostile entity? I mean so what if those freakjob aliens were just running guns to support their family? They should have run faster and or not taken several of my little grain sized bullet thingies into their legs.

 

o.o

 

I mean really the paragon option is completely moronic, oh yes let us construct prison faculties for enemy combatants that will be a detriment to a society trying to form. I mean it would be different if we were going to use them for hardcore slave labor but that isn't Bioware's style one bit. I'd have no objection to shipping them off the equivalent of a forced labor camp.

 

"You support the enemy?" 

 

Guilty

 

"You look at me funny?

 

Guilty 

 

"You hog all the red sand on recreation night?"

 

Guilty 

 

"You make me chase you through a ridiculous environmental hazard scene?"

 

Oh you better believe that's going to be a guilty verdict.

[Han Shot First]

Only if we can romance the prisoners and maybe the brig itself too

 

Its always possible that the LI could end up there. The brig tends to house military people who did stupid **** off duty.

 

I had a friend go to the brig for a month once for taking a humvee without permission and being U.A. (unauthorized absence) for two weeks in Australia with some local girl he met.

 

Later while being restricted to base awaiting Court Martial he snuck out off the barracks, and showed up in some bar in Tokyo where half the platoon was drinking. We tried to usher him out and warn him that the Lieutenant was there, but he strolled right up to the bar and offered to buy him a drink. Not sure if his Tokyo antics got tacked on to his charges, but it gives an idea of the sort of characters that usually populate brigs. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Its always possible that the LI could end up there. The brig tends to house military people who did stupid **** off duty.

 

I had a friend go to the brig for a month once for taking a humvee without permission and being U.A. (unauthorized absence) for two weeks in Australia with some local girl he met.

 

Later while being restricted to base awaiting Court Martial he snuck out off the barracks, and showed up in some bar in Tokyo where half the platoon was drinking. We tried to usher him out and warn him that the Lieutenant was there, but he strolled right up to the bar and offered to buy him a drink. Not sure if his Tokyo antics got tacked on to his charges, but it gives an idea of the sort of characters that usually populate brigs. 

 

Japan is a cushy posting.

 

I would have loved deployment there, but nooooo I have to spend all my time in ***Ing Georgia!