Proto, are you saying despite the fact the first and second casts of elemental mines under fire flask appear vastly different in mine density, that the second mines you cast are somehow more powerful than the first? The second time I cast mines, I probably get 1/3 the number of mines from the first cast.
No, I'm saying the first set cast is vastly more powerful and worth the stamina cost.
No, I'm saying the first set cast is vastly more powerful and worth the stamina cost.
Oh yeah.. I agree it is worth the stamina cost personally. Just takes some getting use to, especially if you start trying to use the mines as a 'get out of a jam' ability. It actually works pretty well for this, if you throw the mines at the feet of most attackers it will finish them off. But, if it doesn't work, you can't cast stealth or leaping attack due to lack of remaining stamina.
But, the cost is not JUST the stamina.. it is also the skill slot. And I want to maximize the damage output from each slot, so an upgraded elemental mine makes sense to me in that context as well.
Oh yeah.. I agree it is worth the stamina cost personally.
Which is why I decided to chime in and give my opinion on mines upgrade. Must have.
As far as your thread about the Hunter and Alchemist, I prefer the Hunter. Alchemist is better for those with lower promotions and lesser gear. This is due to the alchemist having frost flask and the "I Was Never Here" passive. Lady Jacosta's Revenge in the offhand helps a ton when you're squishy.
Awesome.. thanks for vid and share.
It was interesting to see your strategy in several places... you skittled them to death, man.
Awesome.. thanks for vid and share.
It was interesting to see your strategy in several places... you skittled them to death, man.
Really pretty simple. I'm not a good alchemist player. Don't even have 100 operations complete. 
So, even in the video I could see that it took a bit of time to get enough stamina to go back into stealth after casting elemental mines.
That would actually be an advantage of the hunter. Yeah, he doesn't have fire flask, but if you took stealth and fallback plan, you can stealth.. run in.. throw mines, and use fallback plan to go back to where you were. Heck, you could even drop a couple spike traps before you threw the mines.
Makes me want to try a hunter with just spikes, elemental mines, fallback, and stealth... just for fun.
Not sure I like the fact the fallback plan's upgrade also pulls the closest enemy back with you though.
Not sure I like the fact the fallback plan's upgrade also pulls the closest enemy back with you though.
I've never used fallback plan's upgrade. The Hunter is awesome. I really enjoy Stealth/Elemental Mines/Spike Trap/Leaping Shot.
Using Fallback plan is viable early on in the build. But skipping Leaping Shot + Pincushion would be a mistake.
Thanks for the Vid. I am pretty sure stamina is still better for me. I am playing on the safe side... that's why my Reaver is running around with 100% health. 
Actually on second thought, this is why I only play silent sister for cunnings promo.... it is super safe..
Once I became a boss... I will upgrade elemental mines LOL
In most cases for hunter stealth spike mine will simply do better.
Second time I have quoted this.. I did actually run hunter (only in threatening first time) with spike mine, elemental mine, fallback plan, and stealth. The spike mine is pretty sweet with stealth.. you can drop it right at the foot of someone, stay in stealth, and watch them go sky high.
Need to play this in perilous at least to see what I really think of it.
Spike mine is also better since it requires less participation and understanding from the rest of the party I would guess.
Oh, and that whole cast fallback plan, cast stealth, run around dropping spike mine, then drop element mines, and then warp back is a bit choreographed for my taste, but is kinda fun. Again, gotta try it on perilous at least and see what I think.. and then with a party as well.
Complete 250 Operations using the proving grounds with every other Rogue.
Holy... that works? That is pretty funny.. it didn't occur to me the proving grounds would actually work as an 'operation'
Get 200 cunning with Archer or Silent Sister.
Complete 250 Operations using the proving grounds with every other Rogue.
Never play a rogue again.
Holy... that works? That is pretty funny.. it didn't occur to me the proving grounds would actually work as an 'operation'
OMG... that's so cheating.... (must do it...)
Never play a rogue again.
What?!!?!?!?!? But I enjoy playing a Rogue and slaughtering enemies only to disappear into thin air!
OMG... that's so cheating.... (must do it...)
If you do, time it.. Wonder how quickly one can do a proving ground run...
Get 200 cunning with Archer or Silent Sister.
Complete 250 Operations using the proving grounds with every other Rogue.
Never play a rogue again.
LOL. That's a veteran right there. Nice!
Second time I have quoted this.. I did actually run hunter (only in threatening first time) with spike mine, elemental mine, fallback plan, and stealth. The spike mine is pretty sweet with stealth.. you can drop it right at the foot of someone, stay in stealth, and watch them go sky high.
Need to play this in perilous at least to see what I really think of it.
Spike mine is also better since it requires less participation and understanding from the rest of the party I would guess.
Oh, and that whole cast fallback plan, cast stealth, run around dropping spike mine, then drop element mines, and then warp back is a bit choreographed for my taste, but is kinda fun. Again, gotta try it on perilous at least and see what I think.. and then with a party as well.
Ability spam > single cast 
Always...
Stop playing the nerfed version, start rocking with archer
P.S. I only just noticed this weekend that leap shot penetrates shields... Even more OP than I remembered.
Around 3 minutes.If you do, time it.. Wonder how quickly one can do a proving ground run...
If you do, time it.. Wonder how quickly one can do a proving ground run...
3 min... but it doesn't work any more! 
AW at 249... after Proving Ground.. still 249
3 min... but it doesn't work any more!
AW at 249... after Proving Ground.. still 249
Doh!
Do the last game in routine if it doesn't tick to 250
True.. ran one of those this morning with a friend trying to complete the routine achievement. I think it took like 8 minutes.
True.. ran one of those this morning with a friend trying to complete the routine achievement. I think it took like 8 minutes.
If proving ground doesn't work anymore I will probably just run the weaker agents thru threatening PUGs. The other day I saw a leaderboarder with a level 16 in threatening... I was wondering if he was doing agent challenge giving his level 16 could solo NM. But then his level 16 could run thru Perilous just as fast as Threatening.. so I have no idea why he was there.
500,000 kill challenge is always in the forefront of my mind.
I try and knock out 3 or 4 perilous solo FC each day for a quick 1000+ kills.
A filthy casual like me is still only at 223,000 kills done....
I haven't paid any attention to that. But, I must be extremely casual then.. since I can count my kills easily on 20,000 hands. ( 99,500 kills currently )
I haven't paid any attention to that. But, I must be extremely casual then.. since I can count my kills easily on 20,000 hands. ( 99,500 kills currently )
You know I haven't been playing any attentions to the challenges (except for the dragons) until this week. I was watching my score thing going up 1 points on every promotion and then one time it jumps like 3... I was going WTF. Then I figured out I finished one of the challenge by accident. I just finished NM dragon challenge last night and now I only have storm bane left for dragons. I saw you have already done that since you are using that title!
I don't think I have ever seen any Legendary Slayer or Legendary Banker folks yet. I think I could get Slayer in about 2 years and Banker in 5...
You know I haven't been playing any attentions to the challenges (except for the dragons) until this week. I was watching my score thing going up 1 points on every promotion and then one time it jumps like 3... I was going WTF.
I don't think I have ever seen any Legendary Slayer or Legendary Banker folks yet. I think I could get Slayer in about 2 years and Banker in 5...
I know Zorinho has Lengendary Slayer.
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