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[Gervaise]

I am referring of course to the creation of the Veil.   This question keeps bugging me.   Humans arrived in Thedas in -3100 ancient and elves did not notice the quickening until -2850.   This would suggest that raising the Veil occurred somewhere between the two.  Then in -2800, only 50 years after the elves allegedly felt the quickening, the Neromenian mages started hearing the old gods whisper to them from the Golden/Black City.   It specifically says the ones that could hear them were the Dreamers, they learn magic and power shifts allowing them to become priests and kings among their people.

 

Dreamers are meant to be pretty rare; they certainly are in modern Thedas, although Solas and probably a lot of the more powerful ancient elves were apparently Dreamers.   All elves were said to have some degree of magic but according to Solas, when he raised the Veil, this is what caused the majority of them to lose it and they appeared as tranquil to him.    This clearly did not refer to a loss of emotions since the memories in the ancient library clearly show they still had them; what he is referring to is the loss of connection to the Fade and likely the fact that he felt less connected to them as a result.   So raising the Veil had a catastrophic effect on the abilities of the elves. 

 

Yet at almost the same time the Neromenian mages seem to have gained in magical power; they certainly hadn't lost it.   In fact the text in WoT1 definitely says the Old Gods taught the mages magic as though they weren't previously aware of their power or how to use it.   So why did the raising of the Veil seem to have an opposite effect to that on the elves?    Was the elves ability tied as much to their gods as to the Fade?   Were the Evanuris effectively blocking the human mages from utilising their magic/connecting with the Fade but once they were out of the way, they were able to do so?  

 

This has nothing to do with Thalsian learning blood magic from Dumat which was in -1595.   This would appear to refer simply to ordinary magic.

[Reznore57]

I'm not sure the humans were around when the veil was created.

Chances are the stories about the "Quickening" were invented later when Elves started to create the myth humans were responsible for all their woes.

We know the "Quickening" isn't true , and I don't think the refugees from the old elven empire  believed that.

Dalish still have myth about Fen Harel , trapping the Gods away , and how it was a turning point for them.So they knew something happened.Now why the knowledge of the creation of the veil was lost is a puzzle.

 

Anyway about humans and dreamers , what I think happened is when humans arrived in Thedas , they got along with the elves for a while.
And they started breeding , resulting in humans having mages for the first time.

But elves+ humans only produce human offspring so the elves probably weren't thrilled.

 

Also elves didn't lost their magical power right away, they still had dreamers and  still "immortal " as in in uthenera when the humans were around.The battle in Sundermount was in part some elven knights protecting some elders in slumbers from Tevinter.

But it seems after several generation of breeding , the elves mutated and lost part of their natural connexion to the fade.

 

Also there's a couple of hints humans learned magic and blood magic from the elves , the Seekers believe this to be the case , people in Seheron have rumors it happened this way too ...

You also have some banter between Dorian and Solas (if I remember correctly)  Dorian says "hey this is a Tevinter special magical technique!" and Solas goes "Yeah , no , I don't think so , it's elven ."

[rapscallioness]

Huh. Good question.

 

I think Reznore has a point in saying that it didn't all happen right away. However, if that's the case, why didn't the Evanuris reach out to the elves that were not a part of Solas' faction? Why reach out to the humans?

 

I think humans were around shortly before the Veil dropped on everyone. You raise an interesting point, OP in wondering if the connection had as much to do with the Evanuris as the Fade, or maybe the Evanuris did something to block human magical connection.

 

IIRC, when the humans arrived in Thedas, they were met with hostility by the "ruling Elves" of the time--which is probably the Evanuris themselves.

 

Maybe the affects of the Veil dropping were more like a time release capsule, in that maybe Dreamers were more common in the distant past and it is only now that they are much more rare.

 

Or since the Veil is not so much a physical thing, but rather like....an energetic or magnetic phenomena that repels the Fade, perhaps that "energy" was more attune to the elves..and their "energy signature"? Ack, it sounds rather New Age-y.

 

Idk when the tale of Tyrdda Bright Axe takes place, but it seems the Laughing  Lady of the Skies--Tyrdda's leaf-eared lover--was guiding these early Avvar tribes. While there was this whispering entity that was leading on another sect of human tribes encouraging them head on to a Golden City where it slept.

 

Sooo, maybe the Laughing Lady implemented some way to help negate the influences? I feel like this Laughing Lady was Mythal, but why she would show an interest in the human tribes--idk.

 

The straight forward answer might simply be that we are different creatures/beings, and we react differently to certain stimuli.....?

 

edit: or maybe humans interact with the fade along a different path than the elves did. the veil having an opposite but equal reaction among humans.

[Dai Grepher]

My Cole-like answer: Because it was always Swiss Cheese, only without the Swiss, because they don't exist in Thedas. The wolf simply put their eyes out. Blindness for all now.

 

Translation: The Veil was created with holes to allow the Fade and the Real to mingle. Solas simply closed the holes. The Neromenians lived in a part of Thedas where there was only the Veil without gaps. So of course they wouldn't be affected by Solas closing the gaps that were far away.

 

This is just my theory.