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I'm not trying to start a flame war, but one of the toughest decisions I've ever had to make in a game was in TW3 Bloody Baron quest. I...I just..I didn't know either way. Even though I had read some in universe books about some.. strange things. And then it was what have I unleashed, or conversely what have I done?

 

It wasn't game universe changing like some other choices, yet it was one that had the most for me. It still haunts me. Neither choice was "right", and did help to be informed but even then...those consequencesss.

 

If BW puts a just a couple of those in ME:A, oh god.

Yeah, people around these parts are really touchy when you mention "TW3." That being said, there are quite a few moral dilemmas in the game. That series tends to have choices that are more shades of gray, rather than being (good - neutral - bad) like BioWare games.

 

Either way, I just think the idea of having more dilemmas in choices and having to think about what we are doing would be good for the experience. While it's fun playing a pure paragon Shepard or a pure renegade, it's also somewhat limiting due to the fact you are always going to choose the same choices with the obvious outcomes. I don't believe outcomes should be so obvious always, and they shouldn't be necessarily immediate either.

 

I know personally I'd have a lot more appreciation for the game if I had to actually think about how I wanted to craft my character more rather than just pressing the blue option or red option all the time. I really didn't like how the "TIM killing himself" check in ME3 was tied to picking every single paragon choice. The game, as a result, is really conditioning players to not have choice to choose what they want to say and just get railroaded on a certain path for certain rewards.


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I also like to play more nuanced characters, and the p/r system, as is, isn't really accommodating. And if you do go dominant in one or the other, as another poster said, it makes it too easy. 

 

So, I agree. I would like more complexity with these choices that don't need to be world changing just more complicated. And not see the results so immediately.


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Wha?

 

I was using the Virmire decision as an example of a moral dilemma in ME1. I never said it was a great example, but it was the only one that came to mind. Of course I'd like better moral dilemmas than "sacrifice companion A or B."

I'd say releasing or killing the Rachni Queen is a better example of a moral dilemma in ME1. Do you kill an innocent and doom her race back to extinction to ensure the Rachni are never a threat again, or do you give her and the Rachni a second chance, knowing that it leaves the door open for another potential Rachni War. 


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I'd say releasing or killing the Rachni Queen is a better example of a moral dilemma in ME1. Do you kill an innocent and doom her race back to extinction to ensure the Rachni are never a threat again, or do you give her and the Rachni a second chance, knowing that it leaves the door open for another potential Rachni War. 

Thanks for bringing that up. I'm going to edit the OP and include that dilemma. I completely forgot about it. Ironically, we find out later that due to BioWare's ineptitude and hijacking the story that our actual choice had no value anyways.



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I would love to see some better choices, some which have a more impact on the story. Something which can make me FEEL!! Like shooting Mordin, I always shot him and laughed! That was a BIG turning point and a BIG moral point, although I didn't feel bad with the decision xD

 

Okay, this is just an excuse to post on a Revan Reborn thread, but it's way too early here to post logically or seriously? I don't know. I'm still a zombie. I'm just gonna drink my coffee and wake up. 

 

*wawes hi to Revan* :D


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I would love to see some better choices, some which have a more impact on the story. Something which can make me FEEL!! Like shooting Mordin, I always shot him and laughed! That was a BIG turning point and a BIG moral point, although I didn't feel bad with the decision xD

 

Okay, this is just an excuse to post on a Revan Reborn thread, but it's way too early here to post logically or seriously? I don't know. I'm still a zombie. I'm just gonna drink my coffee and wake up. 

 

*wawes hi to Revan* :D

Aww Mordin is my homie. He would burst out rap songs spontaneously and cure the genophage like it was an elementary math problem in his spare time! Dig it yo!

 

 

Drink some whiskey! That will wake you right up!


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Aww Mordin is my homie. He would burst out rap songs spontaneously and cure the genophage like it was an elementary math problem in his spare time! Dig it yo!

 

 

Drink some whiskey! That will wake you right up!

 

Mordin had an annoying squeaky voice lol. I was glad to shoot him in the back! He couldn't sing no more in my play throughs.... xD

 

And it's 8.30 in the morning!!!! Whiskey??!!! 



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Mordin had an annoying squeaky voice lol. I was glad to shoot him in the back! He couldn't sing no more in my play throughs.... xD

 

And it's 8.30 in the morning!!!! Whiskey??!!! 

He was such a nice guy... :crying:

 

Perfect time to drink! The sun is up! Party time!


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He was such a nice guy... :crying:

 

Perfect time to drink! The sun is up! Party time!

 

Awwww.. I'm sorry. If you cry, I'll cry :( Who are we talking about again? 

 

Only if you'll join me. Drinking alone is no fun :(



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Awwww.. I'm sorry. If you cry, I'll cry :( Who are we talking about again? 

 

Only if you'll join me. Drinking alone is no fun :(

I think he likes you.

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Sure! Pass me a glass! There will be no more "dilemmas" for you!


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I think he likes you.

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Sure! Pass me a glass! There will be no more "dilemmas" for you!

 

Oh my... I'm such a lucky girl :P

 

Yay thank you! I'll prepare the glasses asap xD


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Oh my... I'm such a lucky girl :P

 

Yay thank you! I'll prepare the glasses asap xD

You are! Make sure to give him a kiss on his squeaky voice lips! He'll just love it!!!

 

You are so kind! I almost feel bad making you do all of this for me!


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You are! Make sure to give him a kiss on his squeaky voice lips! He'll just love it!!!

 

You are so kind! I almost feel bad making you do all of this for me!

 

But you deserve it!! Wait. .. do what??



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But you deserve it!! Wait. .. do what??

Only one way to find out... Fill me up!!! We'll see if I deserved it after it's done!



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Only one way to find out... Fill me up!!! We'll see if I deserved it after it's done!

 

Done and done! And you deserved it with glory :D



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Done and done! And you deserved it with glory :D

Oh? I did now? You'll have to prove that to me!



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Oh? I did now? You'll have to prove that to me!

 

I think I can manage that. When MEA comes out it better have coop though, you tell your dad from bioware that he HAS to implement that :D



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I think I can manage that. When MEA comes out it better have coop though, you tell your dad from bioware that he HAS to implement that :D

Yep. Naked sex scene coop and all. The full package. It's in the works. I'm waiting for that show you promised me!!!



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Moral Dilemma,

 

what color is the dress?

 

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Moral dilemma - Is it blue on black or black on blue? Is it right for the Blue Suns annual gala!? You, the player, must decide.

 

Anyway though, addressing the thread, yes, I'd like some moral dilemmas. Moreover I'd like a few correct and incorrect choices. I get Bioware not wanting to punish players, but imo some things shouldn't just work out just because.



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Moral dilemma - Is it blue on black or black on blue? Is it right for the Blue Suns annual gala!? You, the player, must decide.

 

Anyway though, addressing the thread, yes, I'd like some moral dilemmas. Moreover I'd like a few correct and incorrect choices. I get Bioware not wanting to punish players, but imo some things shouldn't just work out just because.

I agree. There should be actual consequences for your actions. Being punished isn't necessarily a bad thing, but can lead to some interesting developments as a result. Heck, it would probably be far more interesting from a storytelling perspective to screw up rather than do everything correctly. There would be a lot of possibilities and could play into the whole being a "rookie," which we appear to be in MEA.



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Yep. Naked sex scene coop and all. The full package. It's in the works. I'm waiting for that show you promised me!!!

 

Yessssss I can't wait now :P You'll get it but patience is golden or diamant or something lol(?)



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Yessssss I can't wait now :P You'll get it but patience is golden or diamant or something lol(?)

Patience is diamond??? I think somebody needs more coffee!!! Then try that answer again. :P



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Patience is diamond??? I think somebody needs more coffee!!! Then try that answer again. :P

 

Lol I spelled diamond in danish haha. I definitely need more coffee :D



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Lol I spelled diamond in danish haha. I definitely need more coffee :D

Maybe giving the show while you drink coffee would help wake you up faster!!! I come up with the best plans!


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Get a room, you two. ;)


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