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[AnimalBoy]

DA2

 

[Cyrus Amell]

Nonsense, their greatest mistake was advertising Mhairi as a full-blown party member in Awakening and then killing her within the first hour like Daveth and Ser Jory. What the hell? We were suppose to know she was a "redshirt" just because she was wearing red steel armor? 

 

Could practically see the mess that was Dragon Age 2 coming after that. I intentionally boycotted Dragon Age 2 because of Mhairi and thank goodness too, I was able to buy it for $5 later on Amazon. 

[SecretSymphony]

Nah the mistake was letting her come back in DAI instead of having someone new and exciting.

I agree with this.

[sylvanaerie]

I think the whole return thing, and

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ultimately having 'ghost' Leliana disappear at the end of Trespasser because players pissed and moaned about it

came about because Origins wasn't expected to spawn a franchise.  They killed her in a somewhat plausible way--remember this is a world of spirits and magic--that she might be able to return.

As for why she came back and not someone new, she was a connection to the past.  She speaks personally of the Blight, the Warden in some of her dialogue, something not possible on 'random scout commander' pulled from a hat since someone new wouldn't know the Warden personally.  It really bugs me when anyone calls her a "Mary Sue" because she isn't universally loved despite mediocre characterization, (I happen to find her a pretty interesting character) cannot do impossible things that no one else is capable of, is not the 'best of the best' despite being the 'youngest ever in her position'--all criteria of a Mary Sue.  That description better fits the Hero of Ferelden who is completely lacking in any personality at all--only what the player makes up in his head--and can be a total bastard--killing anything that moves and totally dicking everyone over--yet he's universally adored and hailed as a hero, and is totally new to the order (the youngest in his position as head of Ferelden's Wardens).

 

Buck up, I doubt she's gonna return for more than a brief cameo in DA4--if that much--since we seem to be moving away from Ferelden/Orlais.  Especially if she's not Divine Victoria.

[straykat]

Nonsense, their greatest mistake was advertising Mhairi as a full-blown party member in Awakening and then killing her within the first hour like Daveth and Ser Jury. What the hell? We were suppose to know she was a "redshirt" just because she was wearing red steel armor? 

 

Could practically see the mess that was Dragon Age 2 coming after that. I intentionally boycotted Dragon Age 2 because of Mhairi and thank goodness too, I was able to buy it for $5 later on Amazon. 

 

Seriously? lol.

 

No.. you can't be serious

[Cyrus Amell]

Seriously? lol.

 

No.. you can't be serious

 

Completely true, I was even momentarily in charge of the Mhairi Fan Club in the Bioware forums.

[Tidus]

sylvanaerie,I don't think everybody kills Leliana in DA:O.. Those that kill her whines and yells the most about her being a ghost.

 

Why they kill her? Because they get bored and take the urn and is force to kill her and then feels everybody does.

 

Leliana will be back in DA:4--if there is such a game. B-W has lockjaw and hasn't confirmed any future DA:4. At any rate I hope they have better writers that can remember the story line.

[straykat]

It doesn't seem necessary to see her again. And I made her Divine.

 

I wouldn't mind if they just ignored Southern Thedas.

[Tidus]

Straykat,If rumors are to be believe it appears DA:4 will be in Tevinter. My only wish is B-W gives up a yes,no,maybe or perhaps if there will be a DA:4. I hope the writers do a better job and close a lot of loop holes..

 

Leliana  is to stone cold to stay out of a good fight and as we know those who oppose the harden Divine  ends up dead. I made her divine in my first six games but,in my seventh game Cassandra will get the nod.

 

 

Leliana is far better person in DA:O but,people do change over the years.

[sniper_arrow]

It doesn't seem necessary to see her again. And I made her Divine.

 

I wouldn't mind if they just ignored Southern Thedas.

 

Since they have Harding appear at the end of Trespasser, here's hoping she fills in the spy part instead of Loliana.

[Tidus]

Sniper,While I like Leliana in DA:O  and dislike what the writers did to her in DA:I I wouldn't mind if he stayed in the Chantry out of sight and Lace takes her place and a love interest  but,knowing BW she will be like Sera gay only instead of bisexual..

 

IMHO if  BW wants to play the gay card then why not make all characters bisexual and give a player a real choice of LI?

 

A Elven mage or archer LI for a Elven pc would be icing on the cake.

[Illegitimus]

The gods of making Mary Sues, apperately.

 

Man I wish people would stop throwing around that term when it doesn't apply. "Mary Sue" does not mean "character the author isn't done with yet".  

 

Rules of Mary Sue:

 

1.  There can only be one Mary Sue.  If there are two or more characters who get called "Mary Sues" then none of them are Mary Sue because the world can only revolve around one center.  

2.  Nobody (in the story) can ever just be neutral to Mary Sue.  If you ask anyone about Mary Sue and get a reaction other than love or hate, she's not Mary Sue

3.  If someone other than Mary Sue gets to save the day in any other way than saving Mary Sue, she's not Mary Sue.

4.  If people have conversations about anyone except Mary Sue...then she isn't Mary Sue.  

[Cahir]

I think that the greatest mistake of BW, is working with EA.

[Tidus]

IMHO Mary Sue and Cannon is two terms that needs to be dumped since they have no real meaning in a video game and yet is toss about as freely as "expert". Some times I wonder if we should use "Joe the ape man was tank".

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Cahir,Like I've mention.. BW suffers from the lack of good writers and more the pity.

 

Maybe if BW spun off from EA and focus on their  DA  games and hire better writers I'm sure DA would be just as popular as Final Fantasy and have just as many games. I understand FF16 is already being planned.

 

With any luck we will see DA:4 before FF16.

[Cahir]

DA II was poorly writen, I agree. DA:O not, was amazing, about Inquisition, I can't play because of the text language problem.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

IMHO Mary Sue and Cannon

Cannons?Lol

[Tidus]

Cahir,IMHO DA:O is the better of the three DA games even with its few story line flubs. Heck,I can't stay interested in playing DA:2.

[Mike3207]

The disappearance of the Warden was their greatest mistake-just let him live his/her life until it's time to enter the Deep Roads.

[GoldenGail3]

Man I wish people would stop throwing around that term when it doesn't apply. "Mary Sue" does not mean "character the author isn't done with yet".  
 
Rules of Mary Sue:
 
1.  There can only be one Mary Sue.  If there are two or more characters who get called "Mary Sues" then none of them are Mary Sue because the world can only revolve around one center.  
2.  Nobody (in the story) can ever just be neutral to Mary Sue.  If you ask anyone about Mary Sue and get a reaction other than love or hate, she's not Mary Sue
3.  If someone other than Mary Sue gets to save the day in any other way than saving Mary Sue, she's not Mary Sue.
4.  If people have conversations about anyone except Mary Sue...then she isn't Mary Sue.

So are you saying the Warden's a Mary Sue? I really think this term would really apply to the Quiz though, becuase the world seemly still resolves around the Quiz.... Even though they aren't the main PC in the next game....

[kimgoold]

I think that the greatest mistake of BW, is working with EA.

 

And I think we have the Winner.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Since they have Harding appear at the end of Trespasser, here's hoping she fills in the spy part instead of Loliana.

Since they have Harding appear at the end of Trespasser and she wasn't technically a romance option in her debut game, let's hope they left her off the list in Inquisition because they'd already made plans for her.

 

 

Nonsense, their greatest mistake was advertising Mhairi as a full-blown party member in Awakening and then killing her within the first hour like Daveth and Ser Jory. What the hell? We were suppose to know she was a "redshirt" just because she was wearing red steel armor? 

 

Could practically see the mess that was Dragon Age 2 coming after that. I intentionally boycotted Dragon Age 2 because of Mhairi and thank goodness too, I was able to buy it for $5 later on Amazon. 

I think you weren't supposed to know she was a redshirt. I think if you were completely blindsided and upset when she died then they did what they were hoping. Note that that's not me saying that it was a good move, as mileage may vary on that.

[Tidus]

I wasn't overly impress with Mhairi or Anders in DA:A even though I love this short simple game.

 

IMHO Howe, Oghren, Velanna  and Sigrun  is the better characters.

[Cyrus Amell]

I think you weren't supposed to know she was a redshirt. I think if you were completely blindsided and upset when she died then they did what they were hoping. Note that that's not me saying that it was a good move, as mileage may vary on that.

 

It was stupid, which is a word that I would use to describe a great many story-telling decisions in DA2. They used her as part of the advertisements in a manner similar to how other important companion characters were used (character bio and all). A good story-telling decision does not send people scrambling to the wikis and forums to see if they did something wrong. This robbed the player of marketed agency by stealing away perceived tactical options, in this case a warrior companion, for no better reason than to "blindside" the player. The deaths of Ser Jory and Daveth in Origins was sufficient to drive home the costs of becoming a Warden and without causing a similar scramble among players. 

 

Even David Gaider basically said he regretted how this event turned out in the end. Again, if they had simply not marketed her as a full companion her death would never have been an issue.

[Tidus]

Seeing David  Gaider was a BW writer couldn't he allow  Mhairi to survive  the joining? Regretting something he could have done differently is a excuse for bad writing or decision making and there's a lot of that in the DA series.

 

BW needs to hire experience writers.

[The Serge777]

Trying to placate bitter, mean-spirited "fans". 

 

I see nothing wrong with sharing disagreements, offering well-considered negative observations, and just up and saying you don't like something.  But trolling around obsessively for months or years after claiming how terrible various BW products have been has never made, and will never make, sense to me.  Just look at this thread.  There are folks here who appear utterly disgusted with DA, yet they have hundreds of posts...?  Unless they all posted during DAO (which a lot of people believe is the best in the series...  A sentiment with which I do not personally agree), why still participate?  The only reason I can imagine is to be spiteful.

 

That having been said, I also think Bioware has tried too hard to satisfy too many constituents' desires.  Yes, I recognize that BW has to transition in such a way to remain financial competitive and successful and WRPGs of the sort folks like me idolize (the original Baldur's Gate on CR-ROM, for example) do not appeal to most/many gamers.  Consequently, BW has moved into an increasingly action-oriented direction.  This is fine.  However, trying to figure out ways to cater to a largely action-oriented fanbase while doing the same for an older, more traditional WRPG crowd is a recipe for dissatisfaction on both ends. 

 

Nevertheless, I remain largely pleased with Bioware in general and Dragon Age in particular (all three titles).  Looking forward to more.