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Why Jimmy Vega Wasn't Made Into A Spectre


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Blowing up a Collector Ship is much more impressive than anything Ashley/Kaiden has done in their military careers.  This feat proved he's highly capable of preserving galactic stability.  He makes possible of the impossible Solid Snake style.



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He blew up a collector ship. Whippy do da

 

Since the squadmates in ME2 are able to  blow up the collector base, does that mean all should be made a spectre?



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This is why I've always thought that the Arrival DLC for ME2 shouhld have been either Kaidan or Ashley. It would have them doing something proactive in the story. 


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He blew up a collector ship. Whippy do da

 

Since the squadmates in ME2 are able to  blow up the collector base, does that mean all should be made a spectre?

Jimmy Vega pulled it off with lesser squadmates.

 

The ME2 squaddies were working as apart of a specialized taskforce consisting of the galaxy's biggest badazzes. 

 

 

This is why I've always thought that the Arrival DLC for ME2 shouhld have been either Kaidan or Ashley. It would have them doing something proactive in the story. 

Yes, they weren't even N7 nominees, unlike Jimmy Vega, but got a chance to join the elite of the elite (Spectres)


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This is why I've always thought that the Arrival DLC for ME2 shouhld have been either Kaidan or Ashley. It would have them doing something proactive in the story. 

 

That's a great idea, though I bet the reactions would be mixed. Some would love the change of pace but many would cry that the DLC robs them of Shepard for a few hours.



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That's a great idea, though I bet the reactions would be mixed. Some would love the change of pace but many would cry that the DLC robs them of Shepard for a few hours.

Then make Jimmy Vega the star of arrival.

 

He's an Alliance soldier that's elite enough to be the leader of a blow up foreign alien vessel.  Good candidate for a solo sneaking Metal Gear Solid Snake style rescue mission.



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That's a great idea, though I bet the reactions would be mixed. Some would love the change of pace but many would cry that the DLC robs them of Shepard for a few hours.

You could always make it optional. Just like if you didn't do the DLC, in ME3 they say a group of Marines did it anyway. 



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The Council doesn't just go around making Spectres willy nilly. There has to be some kind of proven record of "Holy crap! This guy's awesome!" And Vega had only just gotten an invite to N7 school. He wasn't even elite among his own peer group.

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The Council doesn't just go around making Spectres willy nilly. There has to be some kind of proven record of "Holy crap! This guy's awesome!" And Vega had only just gotten an invite to N7 school. He wasn't even elite among his own peer group.

Yet they let Kaidan or Ashley in.  Neither received N7 invites



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Yet they let Kaidan or Ashley in.  Neither received N7 invites


Kaidan/Ashley destroyed Sovereign, was sent to Horizon to investigate Cerberus, helps evacuate Shepard from Earth and get the Prothean data from the Mars Archives. They've got established in-game reputations.

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This is why I've always thought that the Arrival DLC for ME2 shouhld have been either Kaidan or Ashley. It would have them doing something proactive in the story. 

 

How is just following Hackett's orders proactive? Well, I guess finishing the mission of "the project" by blowing up the relay was a little bit proactive but then, maybe it's a good idea that Shepard does it. After all, it's Shep's first (and last) chance to do something proactive since he stole the Normandy in ME1. :D



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No one knew what Kaidan and Ashley did in those two years  between ME1 and ME3 and throughout the time, they've been serving under Anderson and Hackett command.

 

And does nobody realize that both of them was investigating a rogue Spectre on Horizon. They're already Spectre candidates in ME2.



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Thought it was because the Council doesn't recognize that the Collectors exist. How ever it is the reason he was invited into the N7 program.



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Samara? A Spectre? I can see that happening.

 

Spectre is a very grey area to touch, and I don't think Vega is up to it. The fact that he is even getting N7 training is beyond me.



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Samara is a Justicar. She would never become a Spectre, because she already has most of the benefits of one and yet adheres to a code of conduct and law that is the antithesis of Spectre work.



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How does Major Alenko serve under Commander Shepard?



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Shepard is still the commanding officer of the Normandy. Kaidan still commands his biotic spec ops division. I usually treat him as a guest who occasionally helps out for the missions. 


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How does Major Alenko serve under Commander Shepard?

Well, depending on the Shepard there are a few ways...


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How does Major Alenko serve under Commander Shepard?

 

The Alliance rank structure is terrible, mixing Army and Navy ranks gets confusing. I would equate a naval Commander with an Army Colonel, but for some reason in the Alliance Commander is ranked below a Major, and I believe Shepard is a Lt. Commander still. I'd like to know how Ashley got mustanged from a Chief Petty Officer to Lt. Commander in less than 6 months.


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The Alliance rank structure is terrible,

Not only that, but BioWare doesn't follow it. Traynor's rank is specialist yet there is no such rank in the Alliance.


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They were probably mixing in a few Space Mission type ranks as well.

 

Commander of Space Shuttle

 

Mission Specialists etc.



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I found this in SWTOR encyclopedia.

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which kinda explains why Shepard was called Commander instead of Lieutenant Commander... and being a Spectre made Shepard's role in the Alliance military as honorary.



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I always figured Udina made the Virmire survivor a spectre because he knew they had doubts about shep still being tied to Cerberus, and he might be able to exploit that somehow during the coup attempt, just like he tried to do. Easy enough to get the other councilors to agree to appointing Ash/Kaidan a spectre during the crazy times of upheaval they were all enduring as well; all Udina would have to say is, "if you remember, councilors, they helped Shepard stop Saren, too. Wasn't he one of yours?" The other councilors may even have seen it as a way of getting Udina off their backs for awhile so they could focus on their own troubles.
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I always figured Udina made the Virmire survivor a spectre because he knew they had doubts about shep still being tied to Cerberus, and he might be able to exploit that somehow during the coup attempt, just like he tried to do. Easy enough to get the other councilors to agree to appointing Ash/Kaidan a spectre during the crazy times of upheaval they were all enduring as well; all Udina would have to say is, "if you remember, councilors, they helped Shepard stop Saren, too. Wasn't he one of yours?" The other councilors may even have seen it as a way of getting Udina off their backs for awhile so they could focus on their own troubles.

I would guess Ashley/Kaidan were made a spectre because all the other ME1 characters were made something.

 

Wrex became leader of the Krogan

Tali made an Admiral

Liara the Broker

Garrus an advisor.



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I would guess Ashley/Kaidan were made a spectre because all the other ME1 characters were made something.

Wrex became leader of the Krogan
Tali made an Admiral
Liara the Broker
Garrus an advisor.

There is also that to consider, yep. Though Ash/Kaidan did rise up the Alliance ranks too.

Maybe if they hadn't been made a Spectre we could have called it the Shepard curse, since they were the only ones of shep's original companions who were not entirely thrilled to see him risen from the dead, heh.