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Blonde Hair and the Debatable Importance of Lore Consistency


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Hawke um I mean Ciri is the best thing about that game 

 

Jo Wyatt is the best thing about any game. 


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What is it with people and stepping into a thread to let everyone know that they don't care about it? It's fine, but nobody really cares that you don't care. Apathy is a silly thing to get competitive about. 

 

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Good blonde hair options and characters would be appreciated. 

Ha, sorry, I thought I was on a forum, a place where you can expose your opinion and talk with people. My bad, yeah, silly me.

Just to be clear, it's not that I don't care about the thread, I don't care about haircolor in general, blond or not. I'm just pointing here that IMO the most important part of a character is the personality. Now if they give us both I have no objection.


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I'm not generally into blondes myself, but I definitely think it's time we had a blonde squadmate (and LI) in ME. Even DA is iffy about that. The whole 'blondes are going extinct' thing was so silly anyway. Is hair dye going extinct too? Are red heads? This is a futuristic setting with access to all sorts of technology and genetic engineering, but people can't have blond hair? Hopefully an updated cc will mean better hair colours for the protag too. I'm hoping we get a choice of unnatural colours too, like blue, turquoise, lilac etc.

 

Blondes are overdone give us a Ginger chick with a fiery temper.

Not in the Mass Effect universe, they aren't.


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Ha, sorry, I thought I was on a forum, a place where you can expose your opinion and talk with people. My bad, yeah, silly me.

Just to be clear, it's not that I don't care about the thread, I don't care about haircolor in general, blond or not. I'm just pointing here that IMO the most important part of a character is the personality. Now if they give us both I have no objection.

 

Thing is this thread isn't saying 'blonde hair is more important than personality' your opinion, delightful as it is, doesn't actually oppose the thread. By your own admission if they give you both you have no objection. So why don't we just assume that these things aren't in competition?

 

I mean, I like blonde hair, grey eyes, anti-material rifles, Immelmann turns, mechs and a bunch of other things but I don't feel the need to mention that in threads about other things which aren't getting in the way of me having any of those things. 


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I don't like blonde hair that much (I'm very happy with my dark brown hair, never felt the need to dye them, just some red or blue strypes time to time) and I never make a female character blonde.

But I like making blonde guys, for some reason. Most of my male characters are blonde or silver haired. I guess is a subconscious way I have to make the characters as different as I can from my usual run when I make male characters.

 

As it is for now, graphiscs in BioWare have always been terrible with lighter hair colours, expecially in Mass Effects. I would not mind more blonde characters, but I'd like havig more variety of realistic brown hair, from light cestnut, to dark brown.



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As long as a character is great, does it really matter if she/he's blond, brown, redhair, bald or even have rainbow hair ?

 

 

Historically, yes. Right or not, hair color actually carries an immense amount of significance in storytelling, just like a lot of other physical features. There are actually stories where the premise itself is linked to hair color, like Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, and lots of fairy tales and legends. 

 

On a modern cultural level, at least in western countries, we are starting to move past some of the stereotypes involved with that (like blonde hair indicating purity, for example), but definitely not to the point where a character having rainbow hair says nothing about them. 

 

This thread on the other hand, is just talking aesthetic variety. Which, you know...Only matters to you if it matters to you. 


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Thing is this thread isn't saying 'blonde hair is more important than personality' your opinion, delightful as it is, doesn't actually oppose the thread. By your own admission if they give you both you have no objection. So why don't we just assume that these things aren't in competition?

 

 

 

ok, my mistake.

I think I just read too many forums where people talk about having brainless blond female characters just for the eyes and this getting a little too much on my nerves. Also just before I replied here, I've read Miranda was supposed to be blond (never heard about that before). I'm glad she's not because she would have been exactly the kind of cliché I dislike :/

 

 

@lady artifice: clichés, I know. I would love if people avoid them sometimes, that's all.

 

Have fun with your blondies photos ;)


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I'm just pointing here that IMO the most important part of a character is the personality. Now if they give us both I have no objection.

 

I don't think the notion that mentioning hair color is indicative of a disinterest in the more substantial aspects of a character makes much sense. 


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If there's a human love interest (and you know there will be), she should have long blonde hair. You know, because Bioware doesn't like to do that. I think it'd make for a nice change of pace.
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eh, in a sci-fi rpg, I prefer more alien for romances



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As lovely as dark hair is, it's a shame that Mass Effect lore tends to consider blonde hair so extremely scarce. I believe Kahlee Sanders and Conrad Verner might be the only prominent blond NPCs of the Mass Effect universe, so it would be nice to encounter at least one more. Perhaps as a squad member.

 

I've yet to find any game where blond hair looks natural and actually good. For my own characters, I usually go with darkish hair. Not because I don't like blond, but because of the above reasons.


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I feel they never quite figured out the blonde textures in the first game (always had really strong dark roots and a weird graphical effect). I remember Miranda was supposed to have blonde hair and they probably changed it because it looked wonky. It helped make my Shepard feel special, but yeah, I hope blonde hair is improved and used more often.

 

edit: Idek why people are talking about blonde stereotypes, it never even passed my mind. Westerner thing?



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Miranda was meant to be blonde because Yvonne is one. 

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But they thought that her CGI look better as dark hair with the black and white Cerberus uniform. And the lighting in ME2 isn't that flattering either.

 

I thought blonde and red shade was awful in ME3. Too shiny like plastic wigs. Then again in ME1 and ME2, black hair shade was actually dark grey and its pretty annoying that everyone in the game have darker hair than what the custom slider can offer. Only in ME3 that they finally look like actual dark hair.

 

I guess Drew wanted to tell us that in the future, humanity looked 'multiracial'. But I don't think blondes was that rare in MEU, just natural blondes and red heads... which is a predominantly rare and recessive trait. 



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I thought blonde and red shade was awful in ME3. Too shiny like plastic wigs. Then again in ME1 and ME2, black hair shade was actually dark grey and its pretty annoying that everyone in the game have darker hair than what the custom slider can offer. Only in ME3 that they finally look like actual dark hair.

 

 

 

Hair textures and shaders are still severly lacking in every game I know. But, as far as your above comment is concerned: You also can't achieve a real dark skin. The Traynor look, or to go even darker, the Jacob look, is impossible for your Shepard in any game of the series. Maybe with the gibbed editor, but I still don't understand it's color options. But the vanilla game certainly doesn't offer anything like that.


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In most games you can't play a natural blonde. Yes, you get blonde hair for your head and probably for a beard, sometimes even eyebrows, but it tends to stop at the eyelashes. In Inquisition you could finally adjust those as well. I mean you had to do it via Make Up section, but it worked. I hope they'll have this option in Adromeda as well.



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Wait... wait a minute!  There's info on FEMALE squadmates hair color? Where's the leak on MALE squadmates? I have a list of demands too Bioware, it's not too late, you can still make a male stripper LI!!

No asari males. Sorry. They were wiped out in the first cycle by the reapers due to looking scary.

 

What is it with people and stepping into a thread to let everyone know that they don't care about it? It's fine, but nobody really cares that you don't care. Apathy is a silly thing to get competitive about. 

 

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Good blonde hair options and characters would be appreciated. 

It's less about not "caring" about blonde characters and more about wondering how does it enhance the game? I'm all for variety and diversity! I just think having arbitrary quotas for the sake of having something is meaningless unless there is some inherent value in adding it. Based on DAI, blonde hair is likely to be a basic character customization feature in MEA since it's using the same engine. What is more than likely going to be a downside is how horrible hair is! It was terrible in DAI and I doubt it will look any better in MEA. That's what we should truly be complaining about!


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ok, my mistake.
I think I just read too many forums where people talk about having brainless blond female characters just for the eyes and this getting a little too much on my nerves. Also just before I replied here, I've read Miranda was supposed to be blond (never heard about that before). I'm glad she's not because she would have been exactly the kind of cliché I dislike :/


Seeing the modded pic of Miranda as a blonde...

Glad they didn't go with that look, doesn't suit her at all imo, even tho her VA is a blonde lol. Sera on the otherhand I liked her colour, suited her. Blonde isn't an easy look to pull off at the best of times. I for one couldn't ever, I'm far too dark aha.
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Seeing the modded pic of Miranda as a blonde...

Glad they didn't go with that look, doesn't suit her at all imo, even tho her VA is a blonde lol.

Ya me too. That blonde hair looks like straw, eww.


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Ya me too. That blonde hair looks like straw, eww.

 

As it always does. In any game I know of.

 

I would love to play a blonde character at some point, but looking at the results, I always shy away.



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Miranda was meant to be blonde because Yvonne is one. 

Yvonne_strahovski.jpg

But they thought that her CGI look better as dark hair with the black and white Cerberus uniform. And the lighting in ME2 isn't that flattering either.

 

 

Honestly, I saw Samara's model but I never searched for Miranda's ! Thanks for sharing ~

 

 

Seeing the modded pic of Miranda as a blonde...

Glad they didn't go with that look, doesn't suit her at all imo, even tho her VA is a blonde lol. Sera on the otherhand I liked her colour, suited her. Blonde isn't an easy look to pull off at the best of times. I for one couldn't ever, I'm far too dark aha.

I agree for Sera, the color suit her very well ! but they need to make progress with hair, seriously.

Miranda looks far better with dark hair ~



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Hair textures and shaders are still severly lacking in every game I know. But, as far as your above comment is concerned: You also can't achieve a real dark skin. The Traynor look, or to go even darker, the Jacob look, is impossible for your Shepard in any game of the series. Maybe with the gibbed editor, but I still don't understand it's color options. But the vanilla game certainly doesn't offer anything like that.

 

I've played many games with character customization before but Mass Effect 3 is the first game that I could make a realistic brown asian woman with minimal mods. But for a much darker skin tone, I have several tpf. mod which adjusted the texture to make darker shades look somewhat natural. But it was dumb that there's like 2-3 dark skin tones and 5-7 shades of pale tones. Kinda sad that no modders want to make Character Customization mods for Mass Effect trilogy like they did with Dragon Age.

 

But then again, the only realistic CGI blonde hair with physics that I'm aware of wasn't in video games.



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Is it possible that generations of horrifically bad Japanese video game hair...

 

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has all been a practical decision in the face of game engine limitations?

 

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As it always does. In any game I know of.

Well, not in weeb-games, where Japanese spend half of their budget on hair animation.



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Is it possible that generations of horrifically bad Japanese video game hair...

 

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has all been a practical decision in the face of game engine limitations?

 

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Yikes. I still can't get over how Final Fantasy, and Japanese culture in general, loves to make guys look like women, but they have incredibly deep voices. I'm confused. Are they trying to tell me something?


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It's less about not "caring" about blonde characters and more about wondering how does it enhance the game? I'm all for variety in diversity! I just think having arbitrary quotas for the sake of having something is meaningless unless there is some inherent value in adding it. Based on DAI, blonde hair is likely to be a basic character customization feature in MEA since it's using the same engine. What is more than likely going to be a downside is how horrible hair is! It was terrible in DAI and I doubt it will look any better in MEA. That's what we should truly be complaining about!

 

And what answer would satisfy you? Some people have blonde hair, some people like blonde hair, there is an obvious value in both the accuracy in representing it and aesthetic value in having it yet both values are impossible to quantify.

 

Nobody has asked for an arbitrary quota, some have expressed a preference for having good blonde hair in the game. This isn't an equation we, the forum populace, can balance with an excel spreadsheet. It is a request for the developers to consider something more than they have. The developers are the people who will have to assess what is possible, what gain is worth what cost, that some people don't see the merit in something has no bearing on that. 


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