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[Revan Reborn]

But why would these people be willing to shell out for an NX as a second console but not a Wii U? It doesn't make any sense.

That's an easy answer. The Wii U was a gimmick that isn't poweful enough to actually play current gen games. Nintendo is a generation behind hardware-wise, and that's why they lost 3rd party support.

 

If Nintendo actually makes a traditional console that is powerful and has a standard controller, they'd be perfectly fine. 3rd party support plus their 1st party games and they'd sell the NX like hotcakes.

[Lyrandori]

I'm not a "Nintendo fan" anymore, but I used to be... many years ago (during the 90s). Still, it would require a blind eye not to realize that the hatred for Nintendo here is unbelievable. But generations change (not necessarily for the best), I shouldn't be surprised.

 

They're not worse by releasing Mario #30, Zelda #40 or Smash Bros. #50 than Sony or Microsoft are for having Final Fantasy 45, Uncharted 10, Call of Duty 300, Assassin's Creed 25, Dark Souls 5, Metal Gear 15, Generic Batman Game 10, Same Unchanged Formula Grand Theft Auto 10, Glorified Far Cry Reskin 2.5 #30 or Halo With A Story That Keeps Going Nowhere #12 on their consoles. Nintendo exclusives have been the same over the years, heck decades, simply because they work, and they're fun. The formulas usually are largely kept intact, sometimes they readjust a bit, they tinker with it, they modernize it, but they keep it just as fun if not better than ever. And they occasionally (and cautiously) bring something new from time to time, such as Splatoon.

 

To this day, their franchises are still the most distinguishing between all platforms. They are the IPs that scream "we are video games" in the most classical ways possible. And it's accessible by everyone. Everyone on this planet knows about Mario (this is obviously not literal), he's still the very icon of video gaming. And Nintendo single-handedly SAVED and rejuvenated the video gaming industry with the legendary Nintendo Entertainment System (but granted, by 2016 some people here ought to be too young to even know about that, let alone respect that history and the company responsible for it). Without them the gaming industry would have a much different face and structure today, heck I'm not sure it would even be popular at all; it could as well have remained a niche thing. Meh, complain all you want about Nintendo, they sure aren't perfect, they've made mistakes and took questionable decisions (I for one didn't like how they treated some YouTubers for example, being so anal about apparently not having the right to use footage in Fair Use as part of a video review) but oh my God don't pretend that Microsoft or Sony, of all companies, are somehow more virtuous or actually happen to know more than Nintendo does about video games.

 

We all owe them a lot. But I think that game developers know that and agree with it more than the gamers themselves do. I pray that Nintendo stays in both the hardware and software business for a long time still. I'd love it if they could once more surprise everyone and shut up the cry babies around with the NX. The only thing I'd like to see them do is to stop stagnating on the hardware side of things. If the NX has enough horsepower to be - at the very least - just as good as the PS4 then I'll definitely consider them "back on track" (hardware wise). As far as their games go they provide pure unadulterated fun.

 

Now, more on topic (I felt compelled to defend Nintendo here, they clearly hold a place in my heart to this day) as far as Andromeda goes, who knows maybe it'll be released on the NX. Supposedly Nintendo sent the NX development kits some time ago to select developers around the world. If BioWare is one of them then perhaps they're currently assessing the hardware's capabilities (that would be the first step I'd assume). I imagine that first things first, Andromeda will be released cross platform the same day (or at least the same month, but I'm sure it's gonna be same day), being on PS4, One, and PC. And a few months down the line if the game sells well enough then maybe they'll "port" it to the NX too. The possible issue would probably be the adoption rate of a large-enough players base for the NX. If the console is "too fresh" and not enough people bought it by the time Andromeda is released (and that's only if the NX would be released prior to the game's release of course) then EA will certainly think something along the lines of "It'd cost us more to publish it for the NX than the profits we would make from copies sold on that platform because it's still too new, so **** it for now".

 

To be honest, as of now, I don't think it's going to happen on the NX. But I do wish that I'll be proven wrong. I only wish the best for the NX. I want that console to succeed, Nintendo more than deserves it.

[Killroy]

But we're talking about converting customers who already have current-gen consoles. If they're willing to buy the NX as a second console for the exclusives why wouldn't they buy the Wii U?

[Robert Cousland]

Other than Killroy, who actually seems intelligent, the rest of you are just a special kind of ignorant. Theres no way of arguing with the rest of you cherry picking, ignorant, hypocritical, fanboy, morons, so im just gonna move on from this topic. Nothing more to see here, nothing worth seeing anyway.

[Revan Reborn]

But we're talking about converting customers who already have current-gen consoles. If they're willing to buy the NX as a second console for the exclusives why wouldn't they buy the Wii U?

I can't speak for others, but the main reason I wouldn't even be interested in a Wii U (besides it's poor hardware and silly gamepad) is because they haven't released a new Zelda game to the platform. Nintendo has tried to make it up by doing HD re-releases of Wind Waker and Twilight Sword. I know some folks who won't even consider buying a Nintendo console until a new Zelda game releases. That's a major issue.

 

One of the other big issues is Nintendo's online support. It's archaic and 15 years obsolete. They need to have an online platform that can rival Xbox LIVE and Playstation Network. Lastly, due to the fact Nintendo has been exclusively developing for the NX with the new Mario and Zelda games first to come, not much software is actually coming to the Wii U at this point. Nobody wants to buy a console at the end of it's life cycle.

 

If Nintendo brings out a console with hardware comparable to the other consoles, has a strong 1st party presence at launch, and even provides backwards compatibility for those who skipped out on the Wii U, as well as coming in at an affordable price, I think many would buy in. Nintendo just needs to prove they are actually going to be releasing a legitimate console and not another gimmick.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

(I felt compelled to defend Nintendo here, they clearly hold a place in my heart to this day)

The amount of exaggerations you used in your defense severely undermined your point, and instead made you look like a mindless fanboy. And that's not getting into the assertions you made.

[Osena109]

I can't speak for others, but the main reason I wouldn't even be interested in a Wii U (besides it's poor hardware and silly gamepad) is because they haven't released a new Zelda game to the platform. Nintendo has tried to make it up by doing HD re-releases of Wind Waker and Twilight Sword. I know some folks who won't even consider buying a Nintendo console until a new Zelda game releases. That's a major issue.

 

One of the other big issues is Nintendo's online support. It's archaic and 15 years obsolete. They need to have an online platform that can rival Xbox LIVE and Playstation Network. Lastly, due to the fact Nintendo has been exclusively developing for the NX with the new Mario and Zelda games first to come, not much software is actually coming to the Wii U at this point. Nobody wants to buy a console at the end of it's life cycle.

 

If Nintendo brings out a console with hardware comparable to the other consoles, has a strong 1st party presence at launch, and even provides backwards compatibility for those who skipped out on the Wii U, as well as coming in at an affordable price, I think many would buy in. Nintendo just needs to prove they are actually going to be releasing a legitimate console and not another gimmick.

This is my main reason I got the wii u they showed Zelda for it  plus we got remakes of  windwaker and now  twilight princess HD untill summer for Zelda wii u.

[Revan Reborn]

This is my main reason I got the wii u they showed Zelda for it  plus we got remakes of  windwaker and now  twilight princess HD untill summer for Zelda wii u.

I would have been more interested in buying a Wii U had the HD upgrades of Twilight Princess and Wind Waker been more substantial. There just isn't enough about the games changing to really justify paying full price for 10+ year old software for me.

[Osena109]

I would have been more interested in buying a Wii U had the HD upgrades of Twilight Princess and Wind Waker been more substantial. There just isn't enough about the games changing to really justify paying full price for 10+ year old software for me.

There new to me I was was in the Army when both of them came out and never had time to play them.

[Revan Reborn]

There new to me I was was in the Army when both of them came out and never had time to play them.

Ah. Fair enough. They are both great games. Some of the best in the series by far. Definitely worth playing. The next game is looking really promising though. Would be crazy if it turns out it's releasing this year alongside the NX.

[NKnight7]

I would have been more interested in buying a Wii U had the HD upgrades of Twilight Princess and Wind Waker been more substantial. There just isn't enough about the games changing to really justify paying full price for 10+ year old software for me.

 

Even though I loved Twilight Princess the HD version just doesn't look that interesting. I don't see a whole lot of changes and though the game does look a little crisper it still looks a lot like the original. I really enjoyed Wind Waker HD though.

[Revan Reborn]

Even though I loved Twilight Princess the HD version just doesn't look that interesting. I don't see a whole lot of changes and though the game does look a little crisper it still looks a lot like the original. I really enjoyed Wind Waker HD though.

Honestly I think Nintendo should have held off on doing HD upgrades until they could really do them justice. The Wind Waker one was a bit better. The Twilight Princess upgrade was just lazy though. I'm sure their excuse is they are just busy on the next Zelda game, but I would have really liked something more than what they gave. I really don't have that much of an interest in playing a game that has barely changed in a decade.

[Andrew Lucas]

EA won't profit. Too much work for something you don't know if will be a bit AKA Wii U. I don't think the NX will be successful this late.

[Osena109]

Ah. Fair enough. They are both great games. Some of the best in the series by far. Definitely worth playing. The next game is looking really promising though. Would be crazy if it turns out it's releasing this year alongside the NX.

Nintendo would be foolish not to release  Zelda on wii u. that is where there money is people my self included bought a wii u for zelda once it was announced  back in 2014. if they don't  release it on the wii u they lost half there consumer base for the NX Nintendo people buy  Nintendo products. Nintendo is not crazy enough to crap where they eat. 

[MileyChicken]

I just went to my dad's office yesterday. They have a prototype of the NX on display. You aren't going to believe me when I say it's going to blow your minds!!!

This is just an early concept folks, so don't freak out. I can happily confirm that my dad has confirmed to me that NX will incorporate the Wiimote, the Wii U gamepad, and the 3D virtual boy all into one!!!

This is an early concept of the new Legend of Zelda game for the NX running at a beautiful 60 fps with no dips in performance. This is by far the most ambitious Zelda game to date and Nintendo has decided to go for a more "retro" feel to commemorate Zelda's 30th anniversary.

I've also been told that the NX will, indeed, have the power to render MEA at a beautiful 320x200 resolution with all graphical settings set to "horribly low" and a constant 2 fps. They are hoping to boost its performance to 5 fps by the time the game ships, but no promises.

Nintendo is very optimistic about their new console and couldn't be happier to be back on an even playing field with Microsoft and Sony. I will relay anymore information as it becomes available. I hope you guys enjoy.

Lmao

[Lyrandori]

The amount of exaggerations you used in your defense severely undermined your point, and instead made you look like a mindless fanboy. And that's not getting into the assertions you made.

 

In my defense?  

 

I'm defending Nintendo, not myself. Besides, it doesn't take you much to attack people huh? I'm a mindless fanboy just because you happen not to be able to take on some exaggeration on the Internet? What bothered you dear, the numbers I used following the known repeating game franchises? Would you have preferred a factual Call of Duty #15, instead of 300? The manner with which I presented my arguments in favor of Nintendo (except what they've done on YouTube, and still do to this day) is entirely irrelevant as long as you can simply get past the emotion and read between the lines.

[DarthSliver]

Screw pokemon. Give me a Gundam MMO on the NX. That property has almost completely died outside of arcades in Japan. There was only one Gundam game that came to the Wii and it was Japan-only and didn't seem that great. This is a great chance to revive Nintendo's reputation and the Gundam franchise!

 

I am sorry but Pokemon is a great series and the one thing that the series lacks is multiple region based game. A MMO of sorts would be the best fashion for tailoring a multi-region Pokemon game and for obvious reason to that. 

 

 

Than to your later post in the thread: I am also waiting for Zelda U to release before buying the Wii U. But with talks about the NX being so close to release, waiting for that thing might be better to do. 

 

If MEA makes it to the NX I think it might come in a fashion like ME2 came to PS3, late. I just don't see MEA making it to the NX on release considering that we know MEA is assumed to be out early next year and if we are lucky maybe holiday season of this year. The NX is assumed to be out Holiday if I recall right but its fairly too close together for the NX to snag MEA on its release date I think. 

[spinachdiaper]

Wasn't NX only supposed to be a quasi peripheral device based portable that plays Nintendo brand cell phone games or essentially 3DS/2DS/DS/GBA/GBC/GB hand held trash?

[Osena109]

Wasn't NX only supposed to be a quasi peripheral device based portable that plays Nintendo brand cell phone games or essentially 3DS/2DS/DS/GBA/GBC/GB hand held trash?

No it is main line console.

[Revan Reborn]

Nintendo would be foolish not to release  Zelda on wii u. that is where there money is people my self included bought a wii u for zelda once it was announced  back in 2014. if they don't  release it on the wii u they lost half there consumer base for the NX Nintendo people buy  Nintendo products. Nintendo is not crazy enough to crap where they eat. 

Well it's a catch 22, really. The truth of the matter is, Zelda U would not make a lot of money on the Wii U due to the system having such a small consumer base and it being at the end of its life cycle. This is why I know for a fact it will be coming to the NX because Nintendo wants their next console to sell off the shelves like hotcakes. In truth, it would be a waste of resources having it on the Wii U at all because the NX version would likely outsell it (this was the case with TP on Wii outselling the GC version).

 

Of course, I think Nintendo also recognizes their most loyal fans bought a Wii U largely because of Zelda. Even if it's not financially beneficial to them, I think they would still release Zelda U on the Wii U, at this point, anyway. However, Nintendo has made it clear they are committed to the NX now and the Wii U is really just coasting until the NX is released. They gave the Wii U three years to turn itself around and it just never happened. They had to move on.

 

I am sorry but Pokemon is a great series and the one thing that the series lacks is multiple region based game. A MMO of sorts would be the best fashion for tailoring a multi-region Pokemon game and for obvious reason to that. 

 

 

Than to your later post in the thread: I am also waiting for Zelda U to release before buying the Wii U. But with talks about the NX being so close to release, waiting for that thing might be better to do. 

 

If MEA makes it to the NX I think it might come in a fashion like ME2 came to PS3, late. I just don't see MEA making it to the NX on release considering that we know MEA is assumed to be out early next year and if we are lucky maybe holiday season of this year. The NX is assumed to be out Holiday if I recall right but its fairly too close together for the NX to snag MEA on its release date I think. 

I'm not saying Pokemon isn't great. I'm saying there are a million Pokemon games that are released all the time on handheld and Nintendo consoles. While an MMO might be fun for some, I hardly see how that will benefit a franchise that is already over-saturated with games as it is. Gundam, on the other hand, barely has any games on consoles or handhelds these days. There is a much larger possibility of gaining a new player base of fans to buy into that than a franchise that has been long established.

 

At this point I won't be getting a Wii U. I think it's safe to say Zelda U is going to NX (even if it is still released on Wii U), so I may as well buy the newer console, provided it's not a gimmick like the Wii U.

 

I wasn't being serious about MEA. I doubt it will be on the NX at all, honestly. EA is the one publisher who has shown the least interest in Nintendo consoles. Unless Nintendo makes a console that's incredibly enticing and that can bring the entire catalog of EA games to it, EA won't waste it's money porting to the NX.

[DarthSliver]

 

 

I wasn't being serious about MEA. I doubt it will be on the NX at all, honestly. EA is the one publisher who has shown the least interest in Nintendo consoles. Unless Nintendo makes a console that's incredibly enticing and that can bring the entire catalog of EA games to it, EA won't waste it's money porting to the NX.

 

Well I would imagine the Nintendo Version of the game might be censored on its romance scene or fade to black because we know that Nintendo has decidcated itself to family friendly devices. Its why the Wii was the way it was in the first place, so don't see Nintendo straying from family console setting either. 

[Revan Reborn]

Well I would imagine the Nintendo Version of the game might be censored on its romance scene or fade to black because we know that Nintendo has decidcated itself to family friendly devices. Its why the Wii was the way it was in the first place, so don't see Nintendo straying from family console setting either. 

It's actually funny because Miyamoto wanted to censor Goldeneye 64 because he felt the game was too violent. At the end of the game, he wanted to have a scene where Bond goes to a hospital and shakes hands with all the enemies he injured to make up for the violence.

 

While I suppose it's possible Nintendo might be opposed to such sexual content, Resident Evil 4 was released on the GameCube, and that game was incredibly violent and a horror experience. You bring up an interesting point though, especially if MEA has nudity, if Nintendo would even allow such a game on their console.

[Osena109]

Well it's a catch 22, really. The truth of the matter is, Zelda U would not make a lot of money on the Wii U due to the system having such a small consumer base and it being at the end of its life cycle. This is why I know for a fact it will be coming to the NX because Nintendo wants their next console to sell off the shelves like hotcakes. In truth, it would be a waste of resources having it on the Wii U at all because the NX version would likely outsell it (this was the case with TP on Wii outselling the GC version).

 

Of course, I think Nintendo also recognizes their most loyal fans bought a Wii U largely because of Zelda. Even if it's not financially beneficial to them, I think they would still release Zelda U on the Wii U, at this point, anyway. However, Nintendo has made it clear they are committed to the NX now and the Wii U is really just coasting until the NX is released. They gave the Wii U three years to turn itself around and it just never happened. They had to move on.

 

I'm not saying Pokemon isn't great. I'm saying there are a million Pokemon games that are released all the time on handheld and Nintendo consoles. While an MMO might be fun for some, I hardly see how that will benefit a franchise that is already over-saturated with games as it is. Gundam, on the other hand, barely has any games on consoles or handhelds these days. There is a much larger possibility of gaining a new player base of fans to buy into that than a franchise that has been long established.

 

At this point I won't be getting a Wii U. I think it's safe to say Zelda U is going to NX (even if it is still released on Wii U), so I may as well buy the newer console, provided it's not a gimmick like the Wii U.

 

I wasn't being serious about MEA. I doubt it will be on the NX at all, honestly. EA is the one publisher who has shown the least interest in Nintendo consoles. Unless Nintendo makes a console that's incredibly enticing and that can bring the entire catalog of EA games to it, EA won't waste it's money porting to the NX.

It is confirmed it is heading to the wii u form this trailer but I do think  Zelda will be the last title for the wii u.

[Revan Reborn]

It is confirmed it is heading to the wii u form this trailer but I do think  Zelda will be the last title for the wii u.

As I said, I'm not surprised. The game was meant to release on the Wii U last year, after all. I was aware of the amiibo support as well. But again, if Nintendo was financially conscious, they'd probably just bail on the Wii U and focus entirely on the NX at this point. Especially if the NX comes in with a low price point this year, I will not be surprised if Zelda U sells far better on the new console than the old one.

[Riven326]

It's going to largely depend on how well the NX is received. Nintendo has been ambiguous when it comes to discussing third party support for the Wii U. Hopefully that will change with the NX.