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[Linkenski]

Ignorance is bliss. I don't use TVtropes or anything and I haven't seen enough to really notice half the character tropes you mention. As long as we don't get an innocent damsel in distress romance or any other carbon copy of ME Trilogy characters.

[Dr. rotinaj]

Stop making a characters sexuality an identification of themselves. I don't care if they like having buttsex or not.

Oh what am I saying, it's 2016, this isn't going to change.

 

I've never understood this complaint when it's hurled at Bioware. Dorian is literally the only BW character in recent memory whose sexuality defined him. And it wasn't even done in a "token gay guy" kind of way. There are characters that are sexual  like the Iron Bull, Zevran, Isabela, and Jack to some extent, but there preferences never defined them.

[Bowlcuts]

I've never understood this complaint when it's hurled at Bioware. Dorian is literally the only BW character in recent memory whose sexuality defined him. And it wasn't even done in a "token gay guy" kind of way. There are characters that are sexual  like the Iron Bull, Zevran, Isabela, and Jack to some extent, but there preferences never defined them.

I don't remember anything from when I played Inquisition so you'll have to excuse me if I vaguely remember the characters you've mentioned.

The irony is, back when before I was going to play it, the exact character you mentioned was an example of which their sexuality was towards their recognition. Apparently he was the first gay party member BioWare had crafted into any of their games and I remember it being such a huge scenario. Whilst I didn't care at all about his sexuality.

 

Maybe if it defined him in a certain kind of way which lead him to be who he is then yeah, okay. But other than that, cool? LGBT bro? I never understood why it such a big deal and why it needs to define the character as a whole.

[BohemiaDrinker]

"Sparky" Quarians.

 

I like Tali, but I don't want another one.

[Dr. rotinaj]

I don't remember anything from when I played Inquisition so you'll have to excuse me if I vaguely remember the characters you've mentioned.

The irony is, back when before I was going to play it, the exact character you mentioned was an example of which their sexuality was towards their recognition. Apparently he was the first gay party member BioWare had crafted into any of their games and I remember it being such a huge scenario. Whilst I didn't care at all about his sexuality.

 

Maybe if it defined him in a certain kind of way which lead him to be who he is then yeah, okay. But other than that, cool? LGBT bro? I never understood why it such a big deal and why it needs to define the character as a whole.

 

Yeah I remember when they "announced" that Dorian was the first gay party member in a BW game. It was never made out to be a big deal, David Gaider mentioned it in Dorian's character profile after being asked what makes Dorian different from other characters he wrote.  David said 1. Dorian is an outcast by choice, and 2. He is the first gay character he got to write. That was it. It was the video game media that read that and went "DORIAN IS BIOWARE'S FIRST GAY CHARACTER" and made it into a big deal.

 

If you never understood why Dorian's homosexuality is a huge part of his character then you just didn't understand him.

[Bowlcuts]

Yeah I remember when they "announced" that Dorian was the first gay party member in a BW game. It was never made out to be a big deal, David Gaider mentioned it in Dorian's character profile after being asked what makes Dorian different from other characters he wrote.  David said 1. Dorian is an outcast by choice, and 2. He is the first gay character he got to write. That was it. It was the video game media that read that and went "DORIAN IS BIOWARE'S FIRST GAY CHARACTER" and made it into a big deal.

 

If you never understood why Dorian's homosexuality is a huge part of his character then you just didn't understand him.

A brief example of what I saw when it was announced: http://www.gamefaqs....373-pc/69564454

So that may be why my vision is a bit one sided.

 

Like I said, I played it once and never looked back. So you may be right about me not understanding him, I'm only going by what was portrayed by the threads I've read and the medias takeout.

[Dr. rotinaj]

I always wince when I see the word "trope" on the BSN because there's a trend here of uttering them as if they're some kind of mic-drop debate finisher. Often times the mentioned trope isn't even understood properly.

 

If a tsundere is well-written I don't care that it's a tsundere.

[Dr. rotinaj]

A brief example of what I saw when it was announced: http://www.gamefaqs....373-pc/69564454

So that may be why my vision is a bit one sided.

 

Like I said, I played it once and never looked back. So you may be right about me not understanding him, I'm only going by what was portrayed by the threads I've read and the medias takeout.

 

Yeah, IGN zeroed in on that one topic so they could make a clickbait article. Here's where they got that info:

 

https://www.dragonag...-profile-dorian

 

You'll see that the "Bioware panders to the LBGT community" narrative was sensationalist nonsense.

[Bowlcuts]

Yeah, IGN zeroed in on that one topic so they could make a clickbait article. Here's where they got that info:

 

https://www.dragonag...-profile-dorian

 

You'll see that the "Bioware panders to the LBGT community" narrative was sensationalist nonsense.

Yeah I figured as much. That was the wrong thread also, I was trying to link the thread that the OP in that thread linked.

[Neria Rose]

Overly young, naive, damsel-in-distress, PC-worshipping virginal female. I was so happy to not deal with that in DAI.

[Revan Reborn]

Overly young, naive, damsel-in-distress, PC-worshipping virginal female. I was so happy to not deal with that in DAI.

Josephine is kind of like that.

[Isaidlunch]

Male characters portrayed as non-threatening by either being submissive to the PC or written as overly emotional.

[Kimarous]

Less of a single character archetype, but I really want to avoid a "virgin-slattern" situation - of the really meek virginal option for one of the two "main" romance options, and the other being someone who has a very obvious sexual history who can't stop banging on about banging on, about how they used to have a relationship with so and so, etcetera. Is it too much to ask for a virgin character to NOT be the designated "virgin" archetype, save for a somewhat embarrassed "this is my first time" reaction before the romance scene? Or for someone like Isabela to NOT talk about sex every other conversation? Just as some people are squeamish about romancing the innocent virgin, others are equally turned of by those who treat sex as casually as picking your nose.

[Bowlcuts]

Overly young, naive, damsel-in-distress, PC-worshipping virginal female. I was so happy to not deal with that in DAI.

So...not Liara?

[Neria Rose]

So...not Liara T'Soni?

 

Pretty much . My least favorite fictional character of all time, in any medium, bar none (I'd take several thousand Jar Jar Binks-es before one Liara).

[Kerg]

You know Bioware will strive to make it EXACTLY like real life...

 

50% male

50% female

33.3% heterosexual

33.3% bisexual

33.3% homosexual

[von uber]

If I ruled the world I'd make it an offence punishable by knee-capping to use the term social justice warrior.

[von uber]

Overly young, naive, damsel-in-distress, PC-worshipping virginal female. I was so happy to not deal with that in DAI.

Tali?

[Drakoriz]

the only think i want is my crew and i mean as a companion is another Turian maybe a female one, i love the Turians.

 

I wish i could be one as main character.

[Kimarous]

You know Bioware will strive to make it EXACTLY like real life...

 

50% male

50% female

33.3% heterosexual

33.3% bisexual

33.3% homosexual

 

What's the remaining 0.1%? Implied esoteric interests that one cannot actually participate in?

[Bowlcuts]

What's the remaining 0.1%? Implied esoteric interests that one cannot actually participate in?

 

 Transexuals.

[Original Mako]

Tali's not a damsel in distress,(i.e. knight saving the lady from capture by the dragon/monster with romantic subtext). 

 

Tali, MA2: I mean, a young woman gets rescued by a dashing commander who lets her join his crew and then goes off to save the galaxy? How could she possibly develop any kind of interest in him?

 

^ My answer to Tali's question: Because nerds.

 

@ Killroy: I agree it's hard to come up with a completely original character. However, there are certain "tropes" which should try to be avoided in a sci fi setting, either because they don't belong (bad guy who is evil for the sake of evil), are lame (like Tali and the whole damsel in distress thing), or have been done to death (Data from ST:TNG and the whole "I'm a robot who wants to be more human").

 

The reason certain archtypes are unwanted is because it constrains the themes presented in the story. Another robot who wants to be human? Well, I guess now there's gonna be talk on what it means to be human. Again. A sexually naive female whole needed the male PC's help and now adores them? I'm sorry Mario, but your princess is another castle.

[aoibhealfae]

What. He is great. Every girl who try to kill my smuggler. "We will bang ok?".

Collect army of Skavak's Ex-Girlfriend's  
 

He's only a bro to male smuggler but unbearable to anyone with XX chromosomes and a brain. 

 

lol

 

My current F!Smuggler is 100% LS, so I guess that side has been less annoying.  He is absolutely hilarious on Alderaan, though.

 

I like playing neutral characters since they're better fleshed as a person. She's not a killer but she's not a paragon either. She's a mercenary who will do what it takes to survive. She's all about money and street justice. Which means, occasional DS and renegade dialogues when it counts.

 

 

which I get why Corso has his panties in a bunch. Being outnumbered by independent self-empowered ladies must have wrecked his fragile ego or something. 

 

Kaidan is quite okay to a neutral-renegade and isn't oppressive to anyone with a vagina. Alistair needed to be hardened so I could take him seriously. But frak no Corso please.

[Akrabra]

Don't really care about tropes. Good writing and acting can pretty much sell you on anything. So let Bioware focus on that and not a check list of this and that. But if i had to pick one trope i would leave out and it has probably already been mentioned - Daddy Issues. 

[9TailsFox]

He's only a bro to male smuggler but unbearable to anyone with XX chromosomes and a brain. 

 

 

I like playing neutral characters since they're better fleshed as a person. She's not a killer but she's not a paragon either. She's a mercenary who will do what it takes to survive. She's all about money and street justice. Which means, occasional DS and renegade dialogues when it counts.

 

 

which I get why Corso has his panties in a bunch. Being outnumbered by independent self-empowered ladies must have wrecked his fragile ego or something. 

 

Kaidan is quite okay to a neutral-renegade and isn't oppressive to anyone with a vagina. Alistair needed to be hardened so I could take him seriously. But frak no Corso please.

All I need is my wookiee. Bowdaar ftw. No we not shooting this crazy lady who try to kill as. "You do your think I just go, climb a tree."  My smuggler is nice but always flirt and ask more credits, but friends are more important. And if someone try to kill me and lost, I always open for negotiation.