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#51
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Well, that's incredibly Ableist of you.

 

Speaking as someone who has an honest-to-goodness handicap that he has to live with every day of his life, and who therefore knows from vivid personal experience that there is a long spectrum in between "can't do anything, don't even try" and "can do everything just as well as anyone else, how dare you suggest otherwise", can I just say...

 

... please, please shut up. You're not helping me. At all.

 

There are productive and necessary discussions to be had about what level any given disabled person can be expected to perform at. Those discussions will never, ever contain the words "ableism" or "ableist." Those are clobber words that you use to try to bully people into agreeing with you because they'll be afraid of being bad people otherwise. And they don't even work. They might make a few spineless individuals curl up and beg for mercy, I'll grant you, but anyone with a trace of self-worth? They'll stop listening instead.

 

I have a vested interest in people listening to discussions about disability. I have a vested interest in them not groaning and turning away the moment I bring up the subject because they assume that they're going to get an earful of guilt-tripping about how prejudiced they are for thinking that lacking a fundamental capability is in any way some kind of hindrance or something. Stop making it more likely that they will do that. Please and thank you.


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If Quizzie is a Warrior and a Reaver, all is well. Magic dragon hands!


I can also imagine Reaver!Inquisitor now using the magic dragon hand for more mundane tasks like knitting. Or trying to...not sure how well that thing would work for knitting.
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i think it is still possible to use a staff or a two-handed weapon if you practice with it. u just wield it with lesser strength and dexterity.

 

so the only ones that have no chance but to change their specialty are the sword-and-shield and the bow inquisitor



#54
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One of the reasons I like the idea of the inquisitor coming back as the protagonist of DA4 is that they wouldn't be as much of a god-like overpowered steamroller who kills everything with ease. They'd have to learn to adapt and would be more of a real person in real danger. It would also give an opportunity to solve more problems through methods other than combat all the time. To have the arm magically grown back or replaced with a magical golem arm/etc...that's exactly the same as a real arm would just take that away and make the loss of the arm pointless.



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i think it is still possible to use a staff or a two-handed weapon if you practice with it. u just wield it with lesser strength and dexterity.

 

so the only ones that have no chance but to change their specialty are the sword-and-shield and the bow inquisitor

Guess you missed my post where I highlighted both of those examples, then.



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Oh, I strongly disagree. Not only has Blood Magic already been explored as being more than an "evil" concept I believe that the games have set up big moral conflicts on the subject for DA4. And seeing as DA4 will likely take place in Tevinter, where Blood Magic is on an entirely different level than anywhere else, this is simply a must.

 

We know that in comics and codex entries that Blood Magic has applications other than killing and manipulation such as healing but there are some pretty huge in-game examples as well like The Grey Wardens, who would not exist without Blood Magic, and the "Dark" Ritual responsible for saving the Warden's life and potentially the existence of Kieran. There is also the subject of the Cure to the Calling and the a hidden power of Grey Warden Blood.

 

 

Well too bad that the joining isn't strictly speaking a form of blood magic,since it's the magic of the blight which is not blood magic and the archdemon blood just improve the potency of the ritual but it is not technically a form of blood magic.
Blood magic is evil it is empowered from pain and violence,it sutian from life force and it call demons and most importantly have nothing to do with the creation of GW


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Well too bad that the joining isn't strictly speaking a form of blood magic,since it's the magic of the blight which is not blood magic and the archdemon blood just improve the potency of the ritual but it is not technically a form of blood magic.
Blood magic is evil it is empowered from pain and violence,it sutian from life force and it call demons and most importantly have nothing to do with the creation of GW

 

 

The Joining is a Blood Magic Ritual. This has been confirmed by Gaider. "Evil" is a matter of perspective, Blood Magic has been used for constructive purposes. The creation of Grey Wardens for example.



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The Joining is a Blood Magic Ritual. This has been confirmed by Gaider. "Evil" is a matter of perspective, Blood Magic has been used for constructive purposes. The creation of Grey Wardens for example.

Not to mention a codex about how a blood mage sacrificed his life using blood magic to save the life of his terminally ill lover.



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One of the reasons I like the idea of the inquisitor coming back as the protagonist of DA4 is that they wouldn't be as much of a god-like overpowered steamroller who kills everything with ease. They'd have to learn to adapt and would be more of a real person in real danger. It would also give an opportunity to solve more problems through methods other than combat all the time. To have the arm magically grown back or replaced with a magical golem arm/etc...that's exactly the same as a real arm would just take that away and make the loss of the arm pointless.

Nah, although having the inquisitor in an advisory role wouldnt be bad



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Not to mention a codex about how a blood mage sacrificed his life using blood magic to save the life of his terminally ill lover.

 

In one or more of the Dragon Age comics, Blood Magic is used for healing as well, without sacrifice.



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Nah, although having the inquisitor in an advisory role wouldnt be bad

 

 

I keep imagining an Admiral Hackett type and the idea appeals to me more and more. 



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I keep imagining an Admiral Hackett type and the idea appeals to me more and more. 

Why not just have a new character for that kind of role?



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Why not just have a new character for that kind of role?

 

Because the Inquisitor is helping to stop Solas :P



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Why not just have a new character for that kind of role?

 

 

Eh, I don't think it would have quite the same effect, since the Inquisitor has an established tie to that narrative. 



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Actually, my question is, do the Rift Mages lose their specialization since the Rifts are now closed?



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Actually, my question is, do the Rift Mages lose their specialization since the Rifts are now closed?

 

No, Rift Magic is a specialization that allows mage to take their mastery of the Fade to the next level , allowing them to use powerful offensive spells or dragging and throwing their opponents across the field like rag dolls.

 

It is not a specialization that is completely dependent on the Rifts that exists in the world. Furthermore, if you look at the descriptions for the spells, you will see that they have a lot to do with manipulating the Veil and the Fade, not the Rifts.

  • Veilstrike - You recreate your own fist from the essence of the Fade and smash nearby foes to the ground.
  • Stonefist - You summon a boulder from the Fade and smash it into your target, sending them flying.
  • Pull of the Abyss - You create a tiny rift that pulls enemies toward a central point.

Note that the spells are about pulling matter directly from the Fade or creating a Rift by yourself, instead of relying on existing Rifts.

  • Restorative Veil - You pull stray magic from around weakened enemies to regain mana based on the damage you do to them.
  • Encircling Veil - You use stray magic around weakened enemies to increase the power of status effects on them.
  • Smothering Veil - Weakened enemies have the damage they inflict reduced even further.
  • Twisting Veil - You catch stray magic around weakened enemies and use it to increase the damage of your own attacks.

If you look at the passives, they are all about using stray magic and relying on Weakness, which is a side effect of using Fade matter.

 

To clarify, Rift Mage is simply called that because the specialization is inspired by the many Rifts that opened up due to the Breach but the core of Rift Magic is the power that came directly from the Fade through the Rifts.

 

From "Power Bleeds: Harness the Flow." Your Trainer's words make one passage stand out:

There are no tomes dedicated to this manipulation. There has been no time for academics, only the practical—and not in a manner that mitigates risk. Power in a raw form has found an outlet, both visible and in ways that only we of arcane proclivity can sense. The risk is great.

 

An account:

From this page forward, these are the notes of Thelric. They began as the work of my mentor Julion, and I will continue in the research she began, as she cannot, because she is dead. The rift we were examining did not react well to her last investigation. We believed ourselves prepared for demonic manifestation. We were not prepared for how the energies we expected would be encountered. Well-versed in the forces that magic can produce, my senior was surprised by an alteration, a deviance. That which previously had to be coaxed is now a flood that must be staunched. The same amount in different intensity, quick to expose fault in the way it is accessed. She drew too much, expecting resistance. There was none, and her form suffered the brunt. Tread carefully in studies of new matters, for I cannot unsee the end of her.

Scattered symbols and sketches follow.

 

Put simply, Rift Mages use the raw power of the Fade. The magic itself is strong and powerful because it uses the pure essence of the Fade instead of conventional magic which relies on warping and twisting the Veil as well as bits and pieces of the Fade. I would even make the argument that Rift Magic is the closest experience of pre-Veil magic a mage can have. To quote Cole who has this to say if your Inquisitor choose to be a Rift Mage:-

 

You’re different. It shines on you, shimmering, sharp. you made magic from the rifts.

 

You use the fade itself. you make it charged but not changed, channeled enchantments. it’s strong and pure. and loud. you ripple like water when the stone is dropped.

 

Solas is the same but quieter. the Fade is his friend. he doesn’t need to look to know where it goes.

 

Vivienne is crisp and cool. the Fade dances, darts, lashed and leashed.

 

Dorian pulls at pieces, pushing them to bodies. i like him better when it’s just fire.

 

Yes. It's different, but familiar. It reminds me of me."

 

Rift Magic is strong, pure and loud. Cole is from the Fade and Rift Mage is pure Fade magic. Solas is the same and since Solas is an Ancient Elf from the pre-Veil days who uses this form of magic. Rift Mage also reminds Cole of himself and Cole is a spirit. All this lend credence to the fact that Rift Magic = Pre-Veil Magic.

 

However, the loss of your Inquisitor's hand and the Mark might force the Inquisitor to relearn or take a new approach towards Rift Magic if they chose to specialize as one. Remember that Solas mentions that the mark acts like a catalyst, allowing you to learn Rift Magic faster. Also note that Your Trainer does not possess the Mark and the students she could potentially teach do not possess the Mark as well.



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The Inquisitor is sitting down, a cup of tea in her left hand, watching the water boil within. Leliana looks back from her desk, "You've been holding that same cup of tea for over an hour, are you going to drink it?"  The inquisitor looks up, "Its all the power I have...all I can do...boil tea, and Solas hates tea...so yea, I'm gonna drink this tea, and next batch too. All to spite Solas for taking my arm...and my heart!" 

 

Yep...I am a tea boiling mage and a pile of heartbroken rubbish --> my legacy...

 

and well...I still tell people what to do. 

 

:)



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Romance wise, had a happy ending with Cullen in one game, in another very happy ending with Sera. And my first game. not a so happy ending with Iron Bull. I didn't save the Chargers and we know how that ends. :angry: