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[Rocks_and_shoals]

So one possible theory I was thinking was perhaps the ARK was built millennia before by the remnant in the Andromeda galaxy in order to expand their empire into the MW or maybe it was just a warship.

The races of the MW don't have the technology to construct the ARK and its intergalactic drive but perhaps an advanced race allowed to develop outside of the reapers influence did build such a ship.

 

Unfortunately, when the ship approached the MW, it was engaged by the reapers and the crew killed. The vessel was left as a wreck in dark space only to be discovered by a race from the ME universe.

 

I mean for their experiment to work the reapers had to keep races out of the MW as well as control what was going on inside the MW in their greater reaper/harvest experiment.

 

Then using reaper technology they repaired the ship or redesigned a new ship based on remnant star drives and sent it on a return course back home to Andromeda where the ME species hoped to find new allies in the remnant. Except the remnant had gone extinct long along and their civilisation had collapsed with time.

In the databanks of the ARK is reference to the remnants great cities and worlds where they performed great experiments but much of the data was corrupted by both the time it spent in dark space and the damage from the battle with the reapers.

 

 

Now to gain a foothold in this new galaxy, they have to rediscover remnant technology because they were the most advanced species probably possessing something valuable. Their lost empire is the key to controlling Andromeda again..

 

Another possibility was that the ARK was a Trojan horse built by the Remnant so that when the MW finally did defeat the reapers, it would travel into the MW through automation. The ARK would offer an invitation to meet the remnant in Andromeda and species were sent from all over the MW, It would actually be a trap. Occupants aboard the ARK were intended to provide information to the remnant about the technological strengths and biometric info of the species now occupying the MW so that the remnant could prepare an invasion. The reapers no longer protect the MW from them. Except they didn't expect the harvests to go on as long as they did and the remnant civilisation collapsed over time so they never got the chance.

Thoughts?

[Vespervin]

Interesting read. How would they explain why the reapers killed the crew but did not destroy the entire ship? Or better yet, why did they not indoctrinate the crew to find out where this very alien (to the reapers) ship and crew came from?

 

Edit: Perhaps the ship escaped from the reapers during an engagement in dark space, but the reapers damaged the life support and everyone died? Many thousands of years later it was found by one of the Milky Way species, adrift in our galaxy?

Modifié par Vespervin, 26 février 2016 - 01:53 .

[Rocks_and_shoals]

I'm assuming the reapers attacked the ship and then left them for dead, the ship would just be a space wreck but its engine would still be in tact. Think of ME2 when they found that ancient reaper floating around in space because it had been attacked and disabled millennia before by an unknown race from a previous cycle. That's what I mean.

 

Maybe the Remnant are so alien, they are immune to indoctrination, who knows?

 

Its like on Kharak in' Homeworld' where they discover an ancient starship. They reverse engineer its engines and send it to Higara. Except Higara is Andromeda this time around.

[Vespervin]

Leaving an alien race for dead, an alien race that they have never encountered before doesn't sound like something the reapers would do. I would expect them to either indoctrinate them (unless they are immune, like you said) or blast them to oblivion. The only thing that sits well with me is that they barely escape the encounter with the reapers but they die before reaching our galaxy, due to ship malfunctions from the reaper fight.

 

I do love the idea of us finding this damaged ship and fixing it with reversed engineered reaper technology. We find out that the ship came from the Andromeda galaxy, we find out from the ships logs or something that they fought with the reapers, and we go there seeking allies.

 

Edit: But wouldn't the trip take a long time? Surely we would know that by the time we find this species and request their help, the state of our galaxy would be vastly different. Unless the ship makes the trip only take a few years, and the only reason they engaged the reapers in dark space is because they exited too early? I don't know. My head's about to explode thinking about all this.

Modifié par Vespervin, 26 février 2016 - 02:20 .

[Rocks_and_shoals]

The ARK may have been automated to begin with and acted as a Trojan horse for the remnant as I've added above. It could be a trap set by the remnant the same way the citadel was a trap set by the catalyst. The ARK may be an invitation to the ME races to come to Andromeda.

The remnant intended to use the ship to capture occupants from the MW and assess how threatening they were before the remnant began an invasion. Except it was waiting so long in dark space, the remnant civilisation collapsed in the interim.

[Vespervin]

Hmm. An automatic ship to assess the capabilities of our galaxy before conducting an invasion, however the ship was damaged by the reapers and left floating around until we discovered it. I like it.

 

So would the Milky Way be the first galaxy the remnant targeted, or would they have experience invading other galaxies? Or are we the first as we're the closest "spiral" galaxy?

 

Edit: I apologize for spamming this thread. I really do like the idea of the remnant sending a ship our way. I'll stop so others can get their thoughts in.

Modifié par Vespervin, 26 février 2016 - 02:31 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So would the Milky Way be the first galaxy the remnant targeted, or would they have experience invading other galaxies? Or are we the first as we're the closest "spiral" galaxy?

The Milky Way isn't the closest spiral galaxy to Andromeda. The closest spiral galaxy to Andromeda is Triangulum. 

 

If the Milky Way was the first galaxy they went to, the most logical reason would be because the Milky Way is the oldest galaxy in the Local Galactic Group so would have the most advanced life. 

[Vespervin]

The Milky Way isn't the closest spiral galaxy to Andromeda. The closest spiral galaxy to Andromeda is Triangulum.

If the Milky Way was the first galaxy they went to, the most logical reason would be because the Milky Way is the oldest galaxy in the Local Galactic Group so would have the most advanced life.

My bad. I was thinking of the closest spiral to the Milky Way when I posted that.

[KamuiStorm]

Now a lot of people think the andromeda is the closest galaxy to us when in fact they are horribly wrong. That distinction belongs to canis major dwarf galax, which is not a spiral galaxy but a galaxy nonetheless. Andromeda is closet in terms of spiral galaxies, however canis major dwarf galax is about 42,000ly from the galactic center and a mere 25k-ly our solar system. That means it is closer to us than even the center of our own galaxy, and the milky way is a huge place people.


The milky way has an estimated 100-400 billion stars and it's size is 100-180kly in diameter, to put that in perspective that is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 kilometers and 1000 km is roughly .62 miles which means 1,000,000,000,000,000,000km is 6.214 × 1017 miles or 621371192237333890 miles. Point being, she's a huuuge b1tch although small in comparison to what's out there. Why am I saying this, well it's because it seems a lot of people talk about new species and what ifs but not of our own galaxy. Meaning ME has shown but a water droplet of the possible life forms within the milky way, the ark will most likely be some deus ex machina so we can move into andromeda but it is improbable that the races shown in ME are the only sentient and technological advanced species. Aside from those we have come to know, the remnant are likely to be from our closet galaxy which is cmdg. Reapers went after the milky way not any other galaxy and because it is never mentioned that they harvested other galaxies as their programming was not made for that means our saving grace is our homeboy cmdg. They were never a target, reapers ignored them as their prime directive was milky way.

Cmdg being so close to us, has to have life with similar technology if not more advanced tech since reapers never bothered them. The ark very well could be a Trojan horse of sorts sent by the remnant but it would have to arrive via cmdg to be well possible. No amount of deus ex machina can satisfy fans if the ark came from andromeda, the distances between us and it are too much. I believe cmdg will play a role in the ark theory. Though I mainly typed this up to waste time since I can't sleep and want it to be 8am so I can go to gamestop, a few or a bunch of errors and misconceptions may be present but meh, fight me irl bruh.

[KamuiStorm]

I also believe there is something about galactic tidal waves caused by gravity from the milky way dismembering cmdg so there's your cause and effect of why they'd snoop their noses into our milky way. Milky way is eating cmdg so inhabitants(obviously assuming if any are present) would need to vacate and on their way by could just pick us up. We're hitchhikers, I figured it out. We are galactic hitchhikers.

[Zarro Khai]

Remnants are like Prothean 2.0. Here's hoping that we don't have to go up against whoever wiped them out. In fact, let's hope they weren't wiped out at all. Maybe they just left on a vacation.

[Rocks_and_shoals]

The remnant could be like the Ancients, wiped out by a civil war against the ori. Some ascended.
I'm also thinking, the ME lores main point is a struggle between man and machine. That problem may have been solved in the MW but who's to say it didn't happen to the remnant, they were wiped out by advanced AI

[pkypereira]

Interesting idea, but I find it hard to believe that the Reapers would be so careless as to leave an enemy ship in actual working condition. While purging the galaxy every 50,000 years they would remove any remains of technology from the galaxy. I'm sure they would be even more cautious in getting rid of inter-galactic space travel technology.

[pkypereira]

The remnant could be like the Ancients, wiped out by a civil war against the ori. Some ascended.
 

 

Mass Effect: Stargate?

[Rocks_and_shoals]

Its not without precedence, I mean the reapers never discovered some of the prothean beacons, like the one on Thessia or the one on Edan Prime. They never discovered the prothean data facility on Mars, they never discovered Illos and before that they never removed some technology by the inusanon from the previous cycle on Illos that Javik mentions. They never discover the leviathan nor do they discover the dead reaper left in the galaxy for 50,000 years after the prothean invasion that the illusive man wanted you to investigate.

 

They left a lot of **** behind. There weren't as careful as you think.

[themikefest]

Interesting read. How would they explain why the reapers killed the crew but did not destroy the entire ship? Or better yet, why did they not indoctrinate the crew to find out where this very alien (to the reapers) ship and crew came from?

 

Edit: Perhaps the ship escaped from the reapers during an engagement in dark space, but the reapers damaged the life support and everyone died? Many thousands of years later it was found by one of the Milky Way species, adrift in our galaxy?

Here's a post I made that a ship could've been built by a previous species in an earlier cycle trying to leave the Milk Way

[Kabooooom]

OP, this has been my hypothesis almost since the start of the Remnant leak. It is the most parsimonious idea, and it leads directly into the new story. I personally think the ark will be a Trojan horse of sorts, but in reverse - it is an invitation by the Remnant.

The MW species find the ark, and interpret it as a deliberate, benevolent gift by this alien species for the species of the MW to escape the Reapers to safety. So they use it, and that's how they know who the Remnant are and it is why they are set on a mission to discover their technology.

But then, at some point in the story, the plot twist happens and the characters discover, to their horror, that the Remnant aren't benevolent at all, and now they are trapped 2.5 million light years from home in an unexplored galaxy with a hostile and advanced alien species.

[Revan Reborn]

OP, this has been my hypothesis almost since the start of the Remnant leak. It is the most parsimonious idea, and it leads directly into the new story. I personally think the ark will be a Trojan horse of sorts, but in reverse - it is an invitation by the Remnant.

The MW species find the ark, and interpret it as a deliberate, benevolent gift by this alien species for the species of the MW to escape the Reapers to safety. So they use it, and that's how they know who the Remnant are and it is why they are set on a mission to discover their technology.

But then, at some point in the story, the plot twist happens and the characters discover, to their horror, that the Remnant aren't benevolent at all, and now they are trapped 2.5 million light years from home in an unexplored galaxy with a hostile and advanced alien species.

Call me a skeptic, but this seems highly unlikely and borderline ridiculous. The idea that the ARK could have been technology from another species is interesting. However, this idea of it being a trojan horse and the MW species just boarding it out of desperation seems like a stretch. I'm not sure if they would risk the galaxy's entire existence on a gamble. Especially if this takes place before ME3, it even makes less sense.

 

Even the idea of the ship being built by a previous species is pretty unlikely. Why would we have only learned about this now? Also, the ship design seems far too human and practical for its concept to have come from an ancient species or otherwise. I'm just not convinced this ship isn't being built by the MW species. As far as the remnants, that is one aspect of the leak I didn't like. They sound too prothean or reaper in nature. We've been down that road before.

 

The only thing that would likely convince me that the ARK could very well be alien technology is if that concept art of a Citadel-esque facility from N7 Day 2014 was actually the ARK. Of course, that means the ARK would likely be reaper tech. That, in itself, could lead to all sorts of issues with indoctrination being at the top of the list. Not that it's impossible, but I think BioWare is probably going to avoid the reapers as much as possible at this point.

[Medhia_Nox]

@KamuiStorm:  And yet, it would seems like the Ark is making the trip from Milky Way to Andromeda via magic (or "worm holes")

 

The reality?  There's no believable reason for any species to leave their galaxy (refugees to galaxy-wide destruction is actually probably the "most believable").  Even a "mere 25l ly" is beyond impossible for us currently and - regardless of what popularist science imagines (and it IS imagination) - there is no reason why technology to complete such a trip has to exist in our universe.

 

So... we know we go from the Milky Way to the Andromeda - the way is complete and utter science fantasy - so, let's just make it interesting.

 

The sheer size of galaxies is beyond ludicrous... and the space between them, even more so.  None of it (ME - ME4) is in the realm of hard science and anyone who says it is is really taken in by more fiction than fact.

[Bowlcuts]

Who the **** is the remnant?

[Iakus]

Who the **** is the remnant?

Supposedly one of the alien species in Andromeda.  Think the Xel'Naga of Andromeda

[Kabooooom]

Call me a skeptic, but this seems highly unlikely and borderline ridiculous. The idea that the ARK could have been technology from another species is interesting. However, this idea of it being a trojan horse and the MW species just boarding it out of desperation seems like a stretch. I'm not sure if they would risk the galaxy's entire existence on a gamble. Especially if this takes place before ME3, it even makes less sense.

Even the idea of the ship being built by a previous species is pretty unlikely. Why would we have only learned about this now? Also, the ship design seems far too human and practical for its concept to have come from an ancient species or otherwise. I'm just not convinced this ship isn't being built by the MW species. As far as the remnants, that is one aspect of the leak I didn't like. They sound too prothean or reaper in nature. We've been down that road before.

The only thing that would likely convince me that the ARK could very well be alien technology is if that concept art of a Citadel-esque facility from N7 Day 2014 was actually the ARK. Of course, that means the ARK would likely be reaper tech. That, in itself, could lead to all sorts of issues with indoctrination being at the top of the list. Not that it's impossible, but I think BioWare is probably going to avoid the reapers as much as possible at this point.

The most likely back story for Andromeda, by far, is that they took an ark to Andromeda to escape the Reapers. After all, not to be a douche, but this is explicitly what allowed us to predict the move to Andromeda a full year before the official announcement. It was a blatantly obvious plot choice.

So I fail to see how attempting to preserve civilization by escaping the Reapers on an ark constitutes a "gamble". Indeed, the gamble would lie in putting all your chips on the Crucible instead of exploiting all possibilities, including fleeing the galaxy if that option was available. Not using that option wouldn't just be a gamble, it would be - well, outright stupid to an insane degree.

[Revan Reborn]

The most likely back story for Andromeda, by far, is that they took an ark to Andromeda to escape the Reapers. After all, not to be a douche, but this is explicitly what allowed us to predict the move to Andromeda a full year before the official announcement. It was a blatantly obvious plot choice.

So I fail to see how attempting to preserve civilization by escaping the Reapers on an ark constitutes a "gamble". Indeed, the gamble would lie in putting all your chips on the Crucible instead of exploiting all possibilities, including fleeing the galaxy if that option was available. Not using that option wouldn't just be a gamble, it would be - well, outright stupid to an insane degree.

Feel free to re-read my post again. I'm not stating at all that the ARK was not meant to escape the reapers. If you've followed me in other threads, you would know I believe entirely that the ARK was intended to escape the reapers. What I don't believe is that it is a "trojan horse" made by the remnant as a trap, nor do I believe it is ancient technology made by anybody else. The design of the ship is far too practical and human and we still have no reason the believe that the galaxy could not have found a solution to intergalactic travel.

[Bowlcuts]

Supposedly one of the alien species in Andromeda.  Think the Xel'Naga of Andromeda

That much has been "leaked" already? Sheesh.

[Iakus]

That much has been "leaked" already? Sheesh.

Two races have:  The Remnants, and the Khet.  The latter is some kind of antagonist.