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[UpUpAway]

Doesn't matter what YOU want. Roleplaying is a collective enterprise. You are not the sole arbiter of the process be it in a pen and paper game, with a game master or a cRPG with developers. The process is co-operative so if you refuse to play within the CONFINES of the game then expect to run into walls all the time.

 

You are a junior partner in a cRPG this has ALWAYS been the case because the developers have already determined well in advance what the available options you have are, you have no say in what options are available on what option you will pick.

 

Bioware is writing a story THEY want to tell and that is that, Doesn't matter if it isn't the story you want to tell. Your only choice is to either buy the game or not buy the game. If you are unhappy with Bioware's approach to cRPGs don't buy their games.

 

Agree in spades.  Also, can anyone name a game where the player is given the option of being a true villain and not just a badass thinking they're being a good guy or a badass trying to redeem themselves?... and what is the ERSB's response to rating that sort of game?.  I think any game that is striving to appeal to a general (wide) audience ultimately winds up towing a societal line that limits any of the main "bad guy" characters to be watered down into "basically good guys under the skin."

[Original Mako]

I agree that a good villain needs motivation and a reason to be bad. I wanted to be more along the lines of the illusive man. Like, I have my own group to look out for and to protect them I'm willing to sacrifice the other factions in the galaxy sorta thing. Along the way, my PC gets more ambitious and desires the to ensure his/her faction to dominate at the top. He/she eventually turns a blind eye towards the ruthless path their guiding their faction towards because they believe they're doing it for the greater good.

 

I consider TIM to be a fairly well designed villain, and Saren too. TIM wanted what's best for humanity. Saren wanted to save lives. It was their methods that put them at odds with Shep.

 

And to the above poster...I agree that it's hard to design a game around being a villain - at least one who isn't just evil for evil's sake (i.e. a lame villain). Some games have you play as an "anti-hero". The GTA protags for example. To a very small extent, Renegade Shep. Making the player character an "anti-hero" is much easier I think than making them a villain because of the perspective from which the story is told.

[Milady]

I wanna play the game thinking i was the hero then finding out i am not, then spend the sequel redeeming myself.

 This please!

[Cyberstrike nTo]

The problem with playing a villain is that in the end what makes a villain special fades away. This happens all the time Magneto is a great villain but the more he is in a story where he is not the main villain or is the lesser of two evils he becomes boring. 

[Artona]

It's a very lame attempt at trying to be different and unique. Because "most people" only want to be the "good guy", but "really cool people" are so cool and special snow-flakey that they want to be the "bad guy".

It's a very lame attempt at trying to be different and unique. Because "most people" want to be the "bad guy", but "really cool people" are so cool and special snow-flakey that criticize them because of it.

Anyhow - 'twould be refreshing change.

[Master Race]

I wouldn't go as far as an outright villain but would definitively like the option to be more war-like and domineering in colonization efforts.

 

I figure there would be the good-guy "paragon" style diplomacy,co operation, alliances and the bad-guy "renegade" style forceful tactics, wars, demanding obedience.

[Senya]

Good villains are like Tywin Lannister, Grand Admiral Thrawn, and Rodrigo Borgia in my opinion. They are willing to do anything for a greater goal. If the Pathfinder can be a villain, the best route is to be one with vision about a new order that will last until the stars go out.

[Original Mako]

It's a very lame attempt at trying to be different and unique. Because "most people" want to be the "bad guy", but "really cool people" are so cool and special snow-flakey that criticize them because of it.

Anyhow - 'twould be refreshing change.

 

^ You missed the point. Wanting to be a villain is OK. I actually say it's a nice idea in another post. What I'm not OK with is simply wanting to be a villain in order to try to be "unique". I had the impression that people were jumping on the bandwagon in order to "stand out". Again, the "most people" thing...

[SKAR]

Renegade:Go to hell.

[Lady Artifice]

@ Everyone -> Describe a well designed villain.

 

And sorry you hipster "renegades". Your Sheps are NOT well designed villains. They are just jerks. Like real life jerks. They just did jerky things in the same jerky way real life jerks jerk it up every day. Betray people? Break hearts? Kill people? Um - people do that every day. They are not villains. Just jerks.

 

Go back to reading Twilight and Harry Potter.

 

Those two series have almost nothing in common. 

[shodiswe]

I just want a good game and a good story, with lots of entertainment value.

[ModernAcademic]

The true villain is the one hiding in plain sight. That one person who's so close to you, you can't see who he/she truly is.

 

The husband who beats his wife after a bad day at work.

The mother who verbally abuses and humilliates her children under the guise of "educating them for their own good".

The friend that is always nice to you, but diminishes you at every chance he gets to others behind your back.

The boyfriend who presses you for sexual favours when you don't want to do it while claiming to love you.

The child that beats another child at the nearby school because he doesn't like them.

The friend who always likes to go out with you, but when you need a shoulder to cry on, he's always absent. 

 

In their mind, everyone is a hero. Everyone acts in the name of some noble cause or justifiable sentiment. But to others, in that moment he acted like a villain.

 

 

 

 

A good villain for Thedas Andromeda could be the leader who pretends to act in the name of society, but is secretly pushing his own selfish agenda.

Eveybody believes in him/her. And those closest to him/her will only realize what he's done when they're confronted with the inevitable truth and it's already too late.

 

 

 

Edit: sorry.

[Khrystyn]

I really want to be the actual villain.  I want to raid colony worlds and enslave its people... build my own fleet ... send it to conquer other civilizations... and build weapons of mass destruction. I want to be cruel, ruthless and vindictive. I want people to hate my PC but fear him/her as well. I want to be the main bad guy. 

 

Sooooo….. you want to play evil, eh?

 

To those of you bent on mayhem, death-dealing, and destruction, PARAGON and RENEGADE PROTAGS already proved that WE ARE YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE. You squint and stare for an innocent victim to slay, yet your vision is unclear because your evil has trapped your minds from seeing all the possibilities. Your irresistible force has met OUR immovable object. Your free-ranged existence… as it has been… is over. It will soon become clear to you… sooner than you think. WE know who you are… by name. WE are staring into your soulless eyes. WE are smiling a pitiless smile. Yet YOU can only detect your own fetid foul sulfur that tolls the odor of your demise. You are already in our cross-hairs. You cannot escape OUR plans… and it is soooooooo eeeeeeeasy to trap YOU.

 

Paragons and Renegades know how to deal with you, quickly and efficiently. YOU have tragically failed to grasp even a hint of the true power that a protagonist can unleash on you; neither did the reapers. You say to us, with an evil sneering gaze: “Revenge is a dish best served cold – and it is very cold in space.” Feebly, you attempt to utter Clubber Lang’s last words to Rocky Balboa: “I’m gonna bus’ you up.”  We say to you now: “Go for it, fool.” We don’t have to repeat ourselves. Your corpses will be left rotting in fermenting soil. Dung beetles will scrape up your dry remains and form you into tiny slime balls to protect their subterranean lairs.

 

To those of you wailing 'I Wanna Be Evil', those who oppose the N7 protagonists, those of YOU who throw and spew blood red colors of hollow brilliance and false knowledge, and claim that WE are on drugs (and so forth) for standing up to you? WE need not listen nor pay you any heed. You have the right to speak your opinion, yet you have failed to grasp a certain reality: Evil characters don't listen to any good music!!! (See below). So be it… As the fist of many punishments for your mental illness, BW will not include any music for the Villians - you'll have to complete the game in TOTAL SILENCE!!!  You get no dialog, no music, no armor, no weapons, and no maps. How do you like that!?! You still wanna play the evil antagonist? Git along lil’ doe-gee. You ain’t doin’ nothin’.

 

Next year, the coolest Paragons and Renegades will be driving the coolest mako over the coolest landscapes littered with the tiniest dust of destroyed evil henchmen… and evil players like YOU. As for me, I’ll be cruising in my cherry ride over rolling green hills and dunescapes, and zooming across the far edges of a deep crevasse, while grooving to some of the sweetest road tunes preloaded into my Omni-helmet’s headset (approved for all weather and driving conditions):

 

ZZ Top’s Sharp Dressed Man
AC/DC's Back in Black

Aerosmith's Sweet Emotion

Lynyrd Skynyrd's Sweet Home Alabama

Cheap Trick's Mighty Wings

Kenny Loggins' Danger Zone

Foghat's Slow Ride

Def Leopard's Rock of Ages

Queen's We Will Rock You

Styx' Renegade

Whitesnake's Here I go Again

 

Paragons and Renegades, enjoy the ride...

[10K]

This would be a perfect game to play a villain. We go to Andromeda and conquer the alien scum, one inferior species after another. It would be glorious!!

[Khrystyn]

This would be a perfect game to play a villain. We go to Andromeda and conquer the alien scum, one inferior species after another. It would be glorious!!

 

The villian (an evil figure) fights against fellow evil characters to protect the innocent?

 

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[10K]

The villian (an evil figure) fights against fellow evil characters to protect the innocent?
 
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I meant it would be a perfect game to play as a villain because of the game's initial set up. We know the game is most likely going to be about a person who's going to Andromeda to save what is left of the Milky way. So of course it wouldn't make sense for him to be a villain; protecting innocents. But If our character was already a villain from the start it would make sense because he wouldn't be going to Andromeda to save what is left of the Milky way or protecting innocents or whatever. He'd be going there for other reasons (I.E to conquer Andromeda for the Human race). So yes my Idea would work only if our character wasn't who he is now and was instead someone different, like a rep from Cerberus, you know an actual villain. But we're not. Instead, we are going to play a wannabe N7 Shepard clone.

[pkypereira]

Playing a villain? Hmmm...I always thought it may be cool to be like Pinky and the Brain.