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[Revan Reborn]

There has been a lot of discussion recently about how it is "impossible," based on the lore, to have intergalactic travel. While this might be true to a degree based on conventional means of transportation, who's to say anything is conventional about the ARK being used to travel towards Andromeda? Why don't we explore what the ARK might actually be?

 

Here's a screenshot of it from the MEA N7 Day 2015 Teaser:

 

 

I don't know about you, but I noticed something rather troubling. The ARK has a resemblance to the Citadel. Perhaps, and what I think is also important to note, it even has a resemblance to a reaper.

 

Here's more potential evidence the ARK could be based on reaper technology:

 

 

This is concept art of a Citadel-esque environment that BioWare Montreal showed in a video during N7 Day 2014. While we don't know if this is actually the ARK, it wouldn't be unreasonable to believe it might be as BioWare suggests this could be a "social hub" and the ARK seems to be filling the void of what the Citadel was in ME1-3. It wouldn't be out of the realm of reason to believe BioWare would want some sense of familiarity in this new galaxy.

 

Lastly, and my final point, who's to say the ARK isn't actually the remnants of Sovereign?

 

As you know, ME1 concluded with Sovereign's destruction. In ME2, Sovereign's true identity is covered up by the Council and the wreckage is confiscated by a wide variety of groups. We see examples in ME2 and even the DLC of various groups getting their hands on pieces from Sovereign. However, what about the larger pieces that were likely confiscated by the Council? Who's to say that the ARK isn't actually a recreation of Sovereign?

 

As always, this is purely speculation, but I think it's important to note that the ARK, in fact, could be the galaxy's first and only self-created reaper. I'm assuming all of the detrimental aspects of a reaper, such as indoctrination, are likely not present for obvious reasons. Or are they?

 

Anyways, what does the community think? Is the ARK actually Sovereign remade for a new purpose? How would you feel about being on a ship that used to be Sovereign?

 

EDIT: It's also worth pointing out not all reapers look like leviathans. In fact, we saw a reaper that wasn't a leviathan in ME2, the human reaper. We know the reapers made more that did not look like leviathans, so it's entirely possible the ARK could just be another of those forms.

[Vespervin]

Thank you for sharing your idea. It was a very enjoyable read.

 

Regarding my thoughts on this being true. I wouldn't mind this, not at all. I don't the reapers to become taboo in future ME games (though there are those who would disagree). I fully expect that the only way we're making it to another galaxy is due to reaper tech.

 

Edit: The idea of the ARK being made using Sovereign's wreckage is very interesting to think about. Was he the one who said that the reapers were "our salvation through destruction"? If so, then I guess he was right. His destruction led to our salvation.

Modifié par Vespervin, 27 février 2016 - 10:57 .

[Revan Reborn]

Thank you for sharing your idea. It was a very enjoyable read.

 

Regarding my thoughts on this being true. I wouldn't mind this, not at all. I don't the reapers to become taboo in future ME games (though there are those who would disagree). I fully expect that the only way we're making it to another galaxy is due to reaper tech.

No problem!

 

Honestly, it just crossed my mind as I was typing responses on another thread. I never even considered if the ARK might actually be Sovereign. It would make a lot of sense and explain how the ARK would have departed before the events of ME3. It would also resolve the issues of intergalactic space travel and the need to discharge engine drives due to long periods of travel.

 

It's the only means by what evidence the games have already provided that the ARK's creation actually makes sense for MEA.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't see any similarities between Reapers and this Ark. I see similarities to things built by the Reapers like the Citadel and Collector ships, but not Reapers themselves. Can you point out where you see a reaper in that ship please? 

 

That said, them using a Reaper Drive, in this case Sovereign's, is certainly a possibility and one of the more probable since the Reapers are overcome all the hurdles we still have so are theoretically capable of intergalactic travel. As for the threat of indoctrination, the Leviathan DLC established we have anti-indoctrination shielding so they could just use that.

[Revan Reborn]

I don't see any similarities between Reapers and this Ark. I see similarities to things built by the Reapers like the Citadel and Collector ships, but not Reapers themselves. Can you point out where you see a reaper in that ship please? 

 

That said, them using a Reaper Drive, in this case Sovereign's, is certainly a possibility and one of the more probable since the Reapers are overcome all the hurdles we still have so are theoretically capable of intergalactic travel. As for the threat of indoctrination, the Leviathan DLC established we have anti-indoctrination shielding so they could just use that.

It's obviously not a direct clone of a reaper (which just looks like a leviathan). However, I'm looking at it more abstractly, and you have to remember Sovereign was largely destroyed. Taking creative liberties while using the Citadel as a foundation would make a lot of sense. Here are the different types of reapers:

 

 

It wouldn't be unreasonable, in my opinion, to believe the pieces that were recovered from Sovereign could have been used to help in the creation of the ARK. It certainly also has some similarities to a collector ship, which is even more evidence of it's potential origin.

 

The issue with using the Leviathan DLC is those events happen during ME3. If the ARK is actually a rebuilt Sovereign that launched prior to the events of ME3, it's unlikely that would have been known during it's creation.

[ArcadiaGrey]

Interesting idea, thanks for sharing. 

The first time I saw the ship my first thought was how much it resembled the Citadel.  

 

The biggest problem for me would be why would they use a Reaper knowing full well the threat of indoctrination?  If this is the last hope for the future of these species, then why risk indoctrination at all?

You said 'obvious reasons', forgive me for being dense but I'm not sure what you mean. 

That they're destroyed?  One of my Sheps did the refusal ending so the Reapers are alive and well in his world so they're not necessarily defeated, and if the ARK left before the end of ME3 then that's not an option anyway...

[fizzypop]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was based on reaper technology. I often kind of wonder if Cerberus is the one that makes this possible. They did A LOT of research with reaper technology. While TIM was obviously nuts it is possible he stumbled upon something that made the Ark possible. It would explain the rumors on reddit too. 

[Revan Reborn]

Interesting idea, thanks for sharing. 

The first time I saw the ship my first thought was how much it resembled the Citadel.  

 

The biggest problem for me would be why would they use a Reaper knowing full well the threat of indoctrination?  If this is the last hope for the future of these species, then why risk indoctrination at all?

You said 'obvious reasons', forgive me for being dense but I'm not sure what you mean. 

That they're destroyed?  One of my Sheps did the refusal ending so the Reapers are alive and well in his world so they're not necessarily defeated, and if the ARK left before the end of ME3 then that's not an option anyway...

No problem!

 

Would they know "the threat of indoctrination?" As I understood it, only Shepard and his crew actually seemed to know the threat of indoctrination based on their dealings with Saren. You have to remember, the only way you believe indoctrination being true is if you believe the reapers are real. Nobody believed Shepard that the reapers were real. It is a bit hard to take someone seriously when they claim they are having visions and that this mysterious threat is coming. Even when Sovereign did finally show himself, the Council covered him up to the public and just wrote him off as "Saren's flagship." This either means the Council believed Shepard, which I doubt, or they just believe Sovereign is based on some new, advanced technology they don't know anything about.

 

Remember, it isn't until ME2 that we actually start learning more about how indoctrination works and functions based on Shepard having to go to the derelict reaper in order to get the reaper IFF to make it through the Omega-4 Relay safely.

 

I only said for "obvious reasons" as indoctrination on the ARK would spell bad news for the crew. Especially if this launches before the events of ME3, there's no telling what kind of impact reaper indoctrination could have and what would happen to the crew as they make their way to Andromeda. I'm just assuming BioWare isn't going to open up that can of worms and indoctrination is not going to be a factor or an issue.

 

My belief is that the ARK leaves before ME3, so the ARK would have to be based on Sovereign. The events of ME3 in no way impact the ARK.

[Revan Reborn]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was based on reaper technology. I often kind of wonder if Cerberus is the one that makes this possible. They did A LOT of research with reaper technology. While TIM was obviously nuts it is possible he stumbled upon something that made the Ark possible. It would explain the rumors on reddit too. 

Possibly, but I don't see what value TIM would have had in the ARK. TIM wanted to raise humanity above all other species by harnessing the power of indoctrination to control the reapers. Why would he run away when he was openly accepting the reaper invasion? He didn't want to destroy the reapers, as Anderson wanted that. TIM wanted the reapers to come in order to take their power for himself.

[fizzypop]

Possibly, but I don't see what value TIM would have had in the ARK. TIM wanted to raise humanity above all other species by harnessing the power of indoctrination to control the reapers. Why would he run away when he was openly accepting the reaper invasion? He didn't want to destroy the reapers, as Anderson wanted that. TIM wanted the reapers to come in order to take their power for himself.

Not saying that he contributed to the project in any way. I think his research may have led to some discovery that was used in the making of the Ark. Over all three games we often raid and collect information from Cerberus bases. It isn't impossible for that to have led to some new discoveries. I definitely think the Ark is one of a kind either way.

[Medhia_Nox]

It looks like a Turian/Human invention.

 

Turian and human ship technology is very angular like that... while Salarian and Asari are more rounded (I'm not sure I've directly seen a Salarian ship - but I looked online real quick and what was shown was rounded). 

 

As I've said before... I'd really like to it be Volus ship architecture and funded and spearheaded by the Volus.  That the Council ignored the species that ran the galactic economy is... I'll say and oversight... in my opinion in how much power the Volus would have actually wielded in the situation (or, conversely, it would have been interesting if the Volus purposefully had maneuvered their position to be the "power behind the throne" - but nothing of the sort was ever the case).

 

Anything is possible in the ME universe - there's plenty of magic to go around.  Element Zero alone undermines any "hard" science-fiction - but the reality of writing "hard" science fiction would be tedium and boredom.  It is of my opinion that there is no popular science fiction that doesn't fall heavily into the realm of science fantasy... because real space exploration will never be like Star Wars or Star Trek.  

 

Repurposing Sovereign would be an excellent idea - though it can't "be" Sovereign who was only a fraction the size of the Citadel itself.  This ship is going to really need to be Citadel-sized to be of even the slightest plausibility.  We call them "Generation ships" currently.   NOTE:  Generation ships are considered "interstellar" arks... while we're traveling in an intergalactic one  So - we just need some more magic is all. 

 

Would it be possible that Javik could have assisted?  Or that it's a Prothean ship?  I'd like that I think.  I true Protheon vessel from where the Collector vessels come from.

 

NOTE:  Look up the collector ships.  It looks almost exactly like one (with the addition of the petals)

 

My vote - it's an actual Prothean vessel.

[heinoMK2]

IMO a good foundation to what this ship is goes along following lines:

The Ark was build by an ancient civilization - best case one older than Protheans - and was discovered not too long before ME1. Kept in secret and studied since then, not unlike the prothean beacon on Thessia.
Only when the Crucible project was going full speed ahead and galactic scientists were making revolutionary breakthroughs in all fields of science daily, thanks to all the Crucible data they have gotten access to, the faction that discovered the ancient ship actually understood the inner working and technologies needed to operate it.

This should somewhat elegantly solve the question to how anyone would manage to find ressources for such a huge ship while pooling every last bit into Crucible and why the technology for the intergalactic travel wasn't available during most of ME timeline - if we assume that the Ark departs sometime during ME3.

[KamuiStorm]

The ark is related to the reapers.

[Killroy]

The Ark looks exactly nothing like a Reaper...

[UpUpAway]

One thing for sure, the ARK isn't Sovereign.  In ME1, Sovereign is clearly much smaller than the Citadel.  It might incorporate some tech from the pieces of Sovereign... Hmmm, maybe Shep and survivors rebuild the Citadel and "go pirate" with it, taking it to the Andromeda galaxy (just kidding).

 

ME:A meets AC:IV

[Ahriman]

I don't see anything 'reaperish' in it's design, even though it doesn't look entirely human. Heck there are also missing hull parts, artistic vision?

As for the concept, it most likely was for the Ark, but it could be scrapped at the moment of trailer. It may show interior of that spherical part, but I doubt it.

Considering Sovy's core - why not. Ark's construction could start right after ME1, at least usage of M-40 in anouncement trailer indicates that (ME1 had M-35, ME2 had M-44, in case anyone forgot), when Council had their hands on all what's left of Sovy. Well, on all what Cerberus generously left them.

[Lyrandori]

It's not a Reaper, but it might have "Reaper Tech" in it (that's so vague, it means nothing really; just really advanced tech that techno babble wouldn't make sense of it even with suspension of disbelief thrown in), who knows. After the destruction of Sovereign in ME1, debris 'fell' on portions of the Citadel. Who knows, maybe the Alliance and/or Cerberus (or another group / organization) got their hands of some "Reaper Tech", and reverse engineered some of that for their big project (the ARK).

 

In any case, Reaper Tech or not, one thing for now seems to be almost certain is that the ARK essentially serves the purpose of a "Citadel 2.0". It looks like it will be the main hub from which perhaps a smaller Normandy-style ship will depart whenever you go on missions, only of course to return to the ARK from time to time to report on your findings, etc (or I'd imagine that's how the game will work anyway).

 

So yeah, main point of discussion here: it's not a Reaper, but it might have Reaper Tech, no one knows about that for now; let's wait for official info guys, really.

[The Elder King]

I personally think the concept art the OP shown is from the Ark, and it does remind of the Citadel. I'm not sure it's something the Reapers buil, or the species that created it used the citadel as a model.

[Revan Reborn]

Not saying that he contributed to the project in any way. I think his research may have led to some discovery that was used in the making of the Ark. Over all three games we often raid and collect information from Cerberus bases. It isn't impossible for that to have led to some new discoveries. I definitely think the Ark is one of a kind either way.

It's possible. Cerberus was obsessed with anything related to the reapers. I'm certainly not discounting your theory. I was merely remarking TIM, himself, wouldn't have been interested in such a project.

 

It looks like a Turian/Human invention.

 

Turian and human ship technology is very angular like that... while Salarian and Asari are more rounded (I'm not sure I've directly seen a Salarian ship - but I looked online real quick and what was shown was rounded). 

 

As I've said before... I'd really like to it be Volus ship architecture and funded and spearheaded by the Volus.  That the Council ignored the species that ran the galactic economy is... I'll say and oversight... in my opinion in how much power the Volus would have actually wielded in the situation (or, conversely, it would have been interesting if the Volus purposefully had maneuvered their position to be the "power behind the throne" - but nothing of the sort was ever the case).

 

Anything is possible in the ME universe - there's plenty of magic to go around.  Element Zero alone undermines any "hard" science-fiction - but the reality of writing "hard" science fiction would be tedium and boredom.  It is of my opinion that there is no popular science fiction that doesn't fall heavily into the realm of science fantasy... because real space exploration will never be like Star Wars or Star Trek.  

 

Repurposing Sovereign would be an excellent idea - though it can't "be" Sovereign who was only a fraction the size of the Citadel itself.  This ship is going to really need to be Citadel-sized to be of even the slightest plausibility.  We call them "Generation ships" currently.   NOTE:  Generation ships are considered "interstellar" arks... while we're traveling in an intergalactic one  So - we just need some more magic is all. 

 

Would it be possible that Javik could have assisted?  Or that it's a Prothean ship?  I'd like that I think.  I true Protheon vessel from where the Collector vessels come from.

 

NOTE:  Look up the collector ships.  It looks almost exactly like one (with the addition of the petals)

 

My vote - it's an actual Prothean vessel.

Well, as I said, it's a rebuilt Sovereign. Of course, Sovereign wasn't large enough to be the entirety of the ARK. That doesn't mean the core of its basic structure is Sovereign, however.

 

Javik wasn't on the scene until ME3 and he didn't seem to know anything about prothean science. I'd find it hard to believe it's a prothean ship, considering they never built the means to escape the reapers, let alone defeat them. We saw the prothean solution for surviving the reapers: cryostasis tubes on Ilos and Eden Prime.

 

One thing for sure, the ARK isn't Sovereign.  In ME1, Sovereign is clearly much smaller than the Citadel.  It might incorporate some tech from the pieces of Sovereign... Hmmm, maybe Shep and survivors rebuild the Citadel and "go pirate" with it, taking it to the Andromeda galaxy (just kidding).

 

ME:A meets AC:IV

Clearly the ARK is too large, but that doesn't mean it wasn't built from Sovereign. It could be very likely Sovereign was the starting point and then he was expanded.

 

I don't see anything 'reaperish' in it's design, even though it doesn't look entirely human. Heck there are also missing hull parts, artistic vision?

As for the concept, it most likely was for the Ark, but it could be scrapped at the moment of trailer. It may show interior of that spherical part, but I doubt it.

Considering Sovy's core - why not. Ark's construction could start right after ME1, at least usage of M-40 in anouncement trailer indicates that (ME1 had M-35, ME2 had M-44, in case anyone forgot), when Council had their hands on all what's left of Sovy. Well, on all what Cerberus generously left them.

It's not blue and it doesn't look like a flea, no. However, some of the basic structure, in my opinion, vaguely reminds me of a reaper as well as the Citadel and a collector ship. It seems to be an amalgamation of many things.

 

Certainly, I think the ship using Sovereign's core, at the very least, makes a lot of sense and would explain the ARK's power source.

 

It's not a Reaper, but it might have "Reaper Tech" in it (that's so vague, it means nothing really; just really advanced tech that techno babble wouldn't make sense of it even with suspension of disbelief thrown in), who knows. After the destruction of Sovereign in ME1, debris 'fell' on portions of the Citadel. Who knows, maybe the Alliance and/or Cerberus (or another group / organization) got their hands of some "Reaper Tech", and reverse engineered some of that for their big project (the ARK).

 

In any case, Reaper Tech or not, one thing for now seems to be almost certain is that the ARK essentially serves the purpose of a "Citadel 2.0". It looks like it will be the main hub from which perhaps a smaller Normandy-style ship will depart whenever you go on missions, only of course to return to the ARK from time to time to report on your findings, etc (or I'd imagine that's how the game will work anyway).

 

So yeah, main point of discussion here: it's not a Reaper, but it might have Reaper Tech, no one knows about that for now; let's wait for official info guys, really.

You are playing semantics. Sovereign was destroyed on the Citadel. If the Alliance/Council/Cerberus got their hands on pieces of Sovereign, then they have Sovereign. An example of "reaper tech" would be a husk, the Mass Relays, or the Citadel. Sovereign was an actual reaper. There is a difference.

 

We may as well not have a forum at all if we aren't going to discuss ideas... If you prefer the nudity thread or the alien hybrid sex baby thread, more power to you.

 

I personally think the concept art the OP shown is from the Ark, and it does remind of the Citadel. I'm not sure it's something the Reapers buil, or the species that created it used the citadel as a model.

I don't think it was built by the reapers at all. I think it was built by the Council from the remnants of Sovereign as well as using the Citadel and perhaps even a collector ship for further analysis. It wouldn't be unreasonable to believe the Council would try and collect as much advanced technology as they could for their own purposes.

[fchopin]

 

Anyways, what does the community think? Is the ARK actually Sovereign remade for a new purpose? How would you feel about being on a ship that used to be Sovereign?

 

No, it does not look anything like resembling a reaper.

 

I do not even want the name reapers mentioned in MEA.

[The Elder King]

It depends on when the project started though. If the Ark went to its journey during or before the Reaper Wars, they wouldn't have been able to use Collector's materials, and the Sovereing materials would've been added during the project.

[Medhia_Nox]

@The Elder King:  You don't need the Collector's materials. 

 

We visit an entire Prothean "city" in ME1 - Ilos. 

 

This thing was there... or plans for it... I'm betting on it.  It's the Prothean vessel the Collector ships are bastardized from. 

 

Vigil says:  "Ilos was a top secret facility.  Here, researchers worked to create a small-scale version of a mass effect relay.  One that linked directly to the Citadel: the hub of the relay network."  Of course - that's the Conduit.  But they also say they were on the cusp of breaking the secrets of mass effect technology... the species of the current saga don't have that tech. 

 

"I will provide whatever information I can. My databanks, however, are limited to information directly related to stopping the Reaper invasion."

 

 

Ilos may have nothing to do with it... but it is VERY likely to me that is the spaceship formerly known as the Collect Base.  It's improbable that the Collectors built that ship... it's just a bastardized Prothean throwback. 

 

What I think would be absolutely great... is if your Ark is more powerful (even if only at the beginning) if you saved the Collector Base (I did not) - and weaker if you didn't and forced Cerberus to salvage remnants.

 

Because it can be destroyed... it is far less likely that it is "the" Collector Base.

 

And sure... bits and pieces of Sovereign could have been thrown in... but it's a machine.  It's like saying if I take parts from various machines and make a new one... that machine is the same as all the old ones.  Using salvage from Sovereign would be the same as visiting a junkyard with really useful pieces.

[The Elder King]

@The Elder King:  You don't need the Collector's materials. 
 
We visit an entire Prothean "city" in ME1 - Ilos. 
 
This thing was there... or plans for it... I'm betting on it.  It's the Prothean vessel the Collector ships are bastardized from.

Well, That's true, though I was just replying about the collectors. I didn't mean prothean materials wouldn't have been used.

[Revan Reborn]

No, it does not look anything like resembling a reaper.

 

I do not even want the name reapers mentioned in MEA.

Reasonable minds may differ. I get reaper vibes from the ARK personally. Something about it's design.

 

It depends on when the project started though. If the Ark went to its journey during or before the Reaper Wars, they wouldn't have been able to use Collector's materials, and the Sovereing materials would've been added during the project.

I think it's likely the construction of the ARK began shortly after ME1 concluded. I'd wager it was already in development when Shepard was killed. I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to believe they could have obtained remnants of a collector base before the ARK departed. It certainly shares some similarities with a collector ship.

[Sylvius the Mad]

If reaper technology were available, it would have been foolish not to use it.

As such, I suspect they didn't, because the people in charge throughout the ME trilogy were idiots.