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For example, the Mass Effect Distress Call Trailer was not completely accurate.  Shepard never had to made a choice between answering a distress call on Noveria vs. responding to something else on Caleston.

 

For example 2, the Mass Effect 2 trailer made it sound like it was just Shepard choosing to recruit assassins, etc. instead of Cerberus providing him only with selective dossiers from which to recruit.

 

I agree that Bioware foreshadows a lot of things in the little things they reveal in their trailers... but I wouldn't necessarily count of every little detail being canonically accurate.

Distress Call was meant to show the level of choice in Mass Effect and nothing else. There was nothing to actually take away from it in terms of a storytelling perspective. I'm not sure what trailer you are specifically addressing with regards to Mass Effect 2. All I'm saying is I won't completely disregard the N7 Day Teaser trailer because folks assume it's just a nod to the original trilogy. That is nothing more than an assumption that could easily lead to overlooking vital clues to where we are going.



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@Gothfather:  Wormholes are like dark matter and dark energy... if you think science has proven any of them beyond "we have nothing else to put in their place to explain certain things" I will suggest you trust in your master science a wee bit too much.

 

If your stance is:  "I don't believe it unless I can see it." (and I don't know if it is - but most science enthusiasts use this painfully fallible stance) You shouldn't be believing in ANY of these things - because nobody has seen them because they're "Science of the Gaps".  (That would include aliens too.)

 

Scientists would like a magical way to get from here to anywhere - so, they invented womeholes and made them sound all sciencey(i.e. used math).

 

NOTE:  Even if wormholes do exist... that means absolutely nothing for transporting biological entities through them. 

 

Believe in them all you wish, but don't pass them off as anything but science fantasy.  (In the same way Star Trek teleporters are utter fantasy) Science fantasy is great - until people start actually believing in the stuff they're watching as fact. 

 

I have no problem with wormholes - Space Federations of aliens - groups of adventurers tooling around space effortlessly - etc.  I have a problem when people think this is actually going to be what any sort of space travel is going to be like.  



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Distress Call was meant to show the level of choice in Mass Effect and nothing else. There was nothing to actually take away from it in terms of a storytelling perspective. I'm not sure what trailer you are specifically addressing with regards to Mass Effect 2. All I'm saying is I won't completely disregard the N7 Day Teaser trailer because folks assume it's just a nod to the original trilogy. That is nothing more than an assumption that could easily lead to overlooking vital clues to where we are going.

 

Yet you're prepared to just give the first ME trailer a similar sort of "just a nod" status.  Take yourself back to the time period before ME was released... would it be reasonable for some people to have expected that such a choice would have to be made in the game?  You have a theory based on things you see as "vital clues" in the trailer, but other people don't necessarily see the same clues... and in the end, does it really matter?  ME:A will be whatever it will be... hopefully, it will be fun.

 

I'll throw in a link to the ME2 trailer I'm referring to (hopefully, I'm not breaking some sort of forum rule, but if I am, I'll happily remove the link):

 



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Distress Call was meant to show the level of choice in Mass Effect and nothing else. There was nothing to actually take away from it in terms of a storytelling perspective. I'm not sure what trailer you are specifically addressing with regards to Mass Effect 2. All I'm saying is I won't completely disregard the N7 Day Teaser trailer because folks assume it's just a nod to the original trilogy. That is nothing more than an assumption that could easily lead to overlooking vital clues to where we are going.

 

And this trailer is to show us our means for getting to Andromeda and the vessel. If Shepard voice is in the trailer than it better be male for the people that played a male Shepard. Thats another reason why I dont think Shepard is saying farewell to us too. You answered the exact reason why the N7 trailer is only a show for the ship to Andromeda with the answer you gave for the Distress Call trailer in ME1. Sorry you can't have it both ways here mate, can't be saying one tihng for one trailer and completely different for another trailer. 



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The N7 Day 2015 trailer isn't even physically accurate, let alone canonically accurate. The trailer shows the Milky Way and Andromeda practically on top of each other, when in reality you can fit around 17-25 Milky Ways(depending on if you are using the disc and halo or just using the disc) between the Milky Way and Andromeda. Bioware knows this, so they did that purely for a trailer sake. 



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Who said Shepard knew about the ARK specifically? There are a variety of reasons this monologue could have been recorded. Shepard was the icon of humanity. We don't even know when Shepard could have been recorded saying this. You are making too many inferences based on inferences not grounded in actual evidence. It is your subjective believe that the "trailer is accurate, but not literal." However, you do not have the means to actually articulate this as being true as you, yourself, do not know.


Distress Call was meant to show the level of choice in Mass Effect and nothing else. There was nothing to actually take away from it in terms of a storytelling perspective. I'm not sure what trailer you are specifically addressing with regards to Mass Effect 2. All I'm saying is I won't completely disregard the N7 Day Teaser trailer because folks assume it's just a nod to the original trilogy. That is nothing more than an assumption that could easily lead to overlooking vital clues to where we are going.
 
You can't have it both ways. You're making a very hypocritical argument.


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Yet you're prepared to just give the first ME trailer a similar sort of "just a nod" status.  Take yourself back to the time period before ME was released... would it be reasonable for some people to have expected that such a choice would have to be made in the game?  You have a theory based on things you see as "vital clues" in the trailer, but other people don't necessarily see the same clues... and in the end, does it really matter?  ME:A will be whatever it will be... hopefully, it will be fun.

 

I'll throw in a link to the ME2 trailer I'm referring to (hopefully, I'm not breaking some sort of forum rule, but if I am, I'll happily remove the link):

My point was the ME1 trailer focused specifically on BioWare choice. It in no way was attempting to build any sort of narrative or provide any grounding for the game. To try and compare to the is pointless because they have nothing in common and were released for two separate reasons. It's far more suitable to use the E3 2015 trailer and compare that to Distress Call, which makes a lot more sense. It gives you an idea of what you can expect in terms of gameplay, but does nothing for the story.

 

Unless you assume the ME2 trailer is "Shepard choosing to recruit assassins," I didn't get that impression at all. The only impression I did receive from the trailer was that Shepard has a new team, he seems to be working for a guy who isn't part of the Alliance, and there is a new enemy.

 

And this trailer is to show us our means for getting to Andromeda and the vessel. If Shepard voice is in the trailer than it better be male for the people that played a male Shepard. Thats another reason why I dont think Shepard is saying farewell to us too. You answered the exact reason why the N7 trailer is only a show for the ship to Andromeda with the answer you gave for the Distress Call trailer in ME1. Sorry you can't have it both ways here mate, can't be saying one tihng for one trailer and completely different for another trailer. 

BioWare should have done a trailer with Mark Meer doing the maleShep voice as well. I fail to see how BioWare deciding to only use Jennifer Hale is evidence this isn't "canon" or meant to be an explanation of how Andromeda happens. As I told the poster above, the two trailers are meant for two completely different reasons. You are comparing apples to oranges. I'm not "hav[ing] it both ways." I'm merely distinguishing why making that comparison doesn't make any sense. BioWare releases trailers to different reasons, believe it or not.

 

The N7 Day 2015 trailer isn't even physically accurate, let alone canonically accurate. The trailer shows the Milky Way and Andromeda practically on top of each other, when in reality you can fit around 17-25 Milky Ways(depending on if you are using the disc and halo or just using the disc) between the Milky Way and Andromeda. Bioware knows this, so they did that purely for a trailer sake. 

What does the trailer having to be physically accurate have to do anything? BioWare was merely making a point that the ARK is leaving the Milky Way. As far as this not being "canonically accurate," that's nothing more than speculation on your part. You do not know that. As I have stated before, BioWare makes videos meant for a variety of purposes. This trailer gives us an understanding of what's going on, similar to the ME2 trailer shown above. That ME2 trailer is certainly canonically accurate with what is being presented in the footage. Distress Call, as I said before, was meant to highlight how impactful choices were meant to be in Mass Effect. That has nothing to do with canon or establishing the story.



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What does the trailer having to be physically accurate have to do anything? BioWare was merely making a point that the ARK is leaving the Milky Way. As far as this not being "canonically accurate," that's nothing more than speculation on your part. You do not know that. As I have stated before, BioWare makes videos meant for a variety of purposes. This trailer gives us an understanding of what's going on, similar to the ME2 trailer shown above. That ME2 trailer is certainly canonically accurate with what is being presented in the footage. Distress Call, as I said before, was meant to highlight how impactful choices were meant to be in Mass Effect. That has nothing to do with canon or establishing the story.

It being physically accurate correlates to it being canonically accurate. As you yourself said, they were just making a point that we are leaving the Milky Way rather than saying the galaxies are that close. However, that means the trailer was just being symbolic rather than being literal so is not canonically accurate to what happens. If they were being canonically accurate, then they aren't being physically accurate because that means they are having it be that the Milky Way and Andromeda are practically touching each other without any interference from each other.


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My point was the ME1 trailer focused specifically on BioWare choice. It in no way was attempting to build any sort of narrative or provide any grounding for the game.

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That's what you see... others see it differently... and that's my point.  It's obvious that you're passionate about your theory, and you'll defend your theory to the nth degree... and that's OK... but it IS just that, your theory.  In the end... does it matter? ME:A will be whatever it will be... hopefully, it will be fun.


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It being physically accurate correlates to it being canonically accurate. As you yourself said, they were just making a point that we are leaving the Milky Way rather than saying the galaxies are that close. However, that means the trailer was just being symbolic rather than being literal so is not canonically accurate to what happens. If they were being canonically accurate, then they aren't being physically accurate because that means they are having it be that the Milky Way and Andromeda are practically touching each other without any interference from each other.

I believe it's fair to make a distinction that just because the galaxies weren't realistically placed does not mean the entirety of the video is also unrealistic in the story it is trying to tell. There could be a correlation, but not necessarily. As far as why BioWare presented the galaxy as it did? You'd have to ask them. However, that in no way leads us to then conclude the entire video is "symbolic." That's an inference based on an inference which is not grounded in truth.

 

That's what you see... others see it differently... and that's my point.  It's obvious that you're passionate about your theory, and you'll defend your theory to the nth degree... and that's OK... but it IS just that, your theory.  In the end... does it matter? ME:A will be whatever it will be... hopefully, it will be fun.

I think you mistake me for someone who is fighting you. I am not. I'm merely suggesting that the trailer may actually be canonically correct. It is many others who seem quick to dismiss it as just being "fan service." I believe that does a disservice to the trailer and can also lead many to overlook what might actually be providing more clues than one would initially think. That's the difference. I'm not dismissing the trailer for any arbitrary reason.



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I think you mistake me for someone who is fighting you. I am not. I'm merely suggesting that the trailer may actually be canonically correct. It is many others who seem quick to dismiss it as just being "fan service." I believe that does a disservice to the trailer and can also lead many to overlook what might actually be providing more clues than one would initially think. That's the difference. I'm not dismissing the trailer for any arbitrary reason.

 

Revan, I know you're not fighting me... my observation is that you seem to be "fighting" a lot of other people here. :)  I personally don't really have much of an opinion on whether or not the ARK has to have been made prior to ME3.  I'm hoping, really, to start ME:A as just a new adventure.  If Bioware wants to try to connect it to the ME Trilogy, that's their option.  If they get criticized for plot holes as a result, that's their consequence.  The trailer, IMO, can be both "fan service" (i.e. trying to encourage us to let go of Shepard and explore something new) and still hint at some specifics. 

 

I don't dismiss Distress Call as not hinting at anything in the game.  Maybe it wasn't Bioware's intention, but when I first cracked open my ME disk and that trailer played... I fully expected that was going to be one of the choices I would have to make in the game.  When I actually wasn't expected to even make any choices on that level, I stopped believing that Bioware was somehow above making trailers that were not "canonically accurate."



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Revan, I know you're not fighting me... my observation is that you seem to be "fighting" a lot of other people here. :)

All I am doing is providing the possibility that the N7 Teaser trailer may be more than just "fluff." It seem as if most folks aren't taking it seriously and see it merely as fan service to the original trilogy. That could be the case, but I believe that is a superficial and flimsy analysis of something that could provide much more. Why quickly dismiss it when there is potentially so much we can extract from it? That's the only question I'm positing. This isn't about fighting or otherwise. It's about people being open-minded and cognizant enough to perhaps see there is more to this trailer than what is provided on a first look basis.



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All I am doing is providing the possibility that the N7 Teaser trailer may be more than just "fluff." It seem as if most folks aren't taking it seriously and see it merely as fan service to the original trilogy. That could be the case, but I believe that is a superficial and flimsy analysis of something that could provide much more. Why quickly dismiss it when there is potentially so much we can extract from it? That's the only question I'm positing. This isn't about fighting or otherwise. It's about people being open-minded and cognizant enough to perhaps see there is more to this trailer than what is provided on a first look basis.


But you're not "positing a question" or "providing a possibility." You're telling everyone else that they're wrong for not agreeing with your very specific, very illogical interpretation of BioWare's marketing materials.
"The N7 day teaser is totally accurate! Except for all of the fanservice fluff, so just ignore that..."
"BioWare doesn't make symbolic marketing materials! Except for all the times they have, so just stop bringing those up..."


It's intellectually dishonest and very clearly about your ego. You like your interpretation of the materials that have been presented. Fine. But it's nothing more than your own interpretation. Stop trying to force it down everyone else's throats like its the only interpretation that makes sense.
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But you're not "positing a question" or "providing a possibility." You're telling everyone else that they're wrong for not agreeing with your very specific, very illogical interpretation of BioWare's marketing materials.
"The N7 day teaser is totally accurate! Except for all of the fanservice fluff, so just ignore that..."
"BioWare doesn't make symbolic marketing materials! Except for all the times they have, so just stop bringing those up..."


It's intellectually dishonest and very clearly about your ego. You like your interpretation of the materials that have been presented. Fine. But it's nothing more than your own interpretation. Stop trying to force it down everyone else's throats like its the only interpretation that makes sense.

I don't believe I've ever told anyone "they're wrong." To the contrary, you are the only one who continues to make absolute statements apparently regarding my "very illogical interpretation of BioWare's marketing materials."

 

Fascinating how you quote statements that I did not say. Rather, they are statements you believe I said.

 

Don't respond to the thread if my opinion intimidates you? I have no control over you.



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All I am doing is providing the possibility that the N7 Teaser trailer may be more than just "fluff." It seem as if most folks aren't taking it seriously and see it merely as fan service to the original trilogy. That could be the case, but I believe that is a superficial and flimsy analysis of something that could provide much more. Why quickly dismiss it when there is potentially so much we can extract from it? That's the only question I'm positing. This isn't about fighting or otherwise. It's about people being open-minded and cognizant enough to perhaps see there is more to this trailer than what is provided on a first look basis.

 

Do you see some of the little things in the trailer that might actually dispute your theory?  They are there.

 

BTW:  In the ME2 trailer... TIM goes on to say "He's (i.e. Shepard) scouring the galaxy for the best..." I think this does imply something more than Shepard was doing... He wasn't "scouring the galaxy" for recruits.  He was just gathering the candidates on TIMs list... he never recruited anyone that TIM didn't first suggest (and before you  mention Tali, Shepard was unable to even seriously approach her until TIM provided the dossier.)



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I don't believe I've ever told anyone "they're wrong." To the contrary, you are the only one who continues to make absolute statements apparently regarding my "very illogical interpretation of BioWare's marketing materials."

Fascinating how you quote statements that I did not say. Rather, they are statements you believe I said.

Don't respond to the thread if my opinion intimidates you? I have no control over you.

Really?

Who said Shepard knew about the ARK specifically? There are a variety of reasons this monologue could have been recorded. Shepard was the icon of humanity. We don't even know when Shepard could have been recorded saying this. You are making too many inferences based on inferences not grounded in actual evidence. It is your subjective believe that the "trailer is accurate, but not literal." However, you do not have the means to actually articulate this as being true as you, yourself, do not know.

Sounds a lot like "you're wrong" to me, especially since my initial statement was phrased as nothing more than an opinion suggesting that the N7 trailer shouldn't be treated as ironclad canon at this point, then you treated me like I was trying to force my opinion on you.

I believe other posters have already pointed out that it would be far from unprecedented for Bioware to release a trailer that is symbolic more than literal. There's no reason to assume everything we see is canon and certainly no reason to get so defensive with someone for suggesting such.

Especially when there are holes in the idea that it is canon. Are you really suggesting that Shepard recorded this message over two years previous (The last time Shepard was with the Alliance) for Alliance propaganda without having a clue what it was about? Why? And that nobody thought to notice the massive ark ship in orbit over Earth or remark upon it?

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Really?
Sounds a lot like "you're wrong" to me, especially since my initial statement was phrased as nothing more than an opinion suggesting that the N7 trailer shouldn't be treated as ironclad canon at this point, then you treated me like I was trying to force my opinion on you.

I believe other posters have already pointed out that it would be far from unprecedented for Bioware to release a trailer that is symbolic more than literal. There's no reason to assume everything we see is canon and certainly no reason to get so defensive with someone for suggesting such.

Especially when there are holes in the idea that it is canon. Are you really suggesting that Shepard recorded this message over two years previous (The last time Shepard was with the Alliance) for Alliance propaganda without having a clue what it was about? Why? And that nobody thought to notice the massive ark ship in orbit over Earth or remark upon it?

You would be incorrect then. What I am actually stating is you are dismissing what could actually be a more insightful trailer on closer look. I never explicitly stated you are "wrong." You are merely perceiving my rhetoric as such because you do not agree. All I'm suggesting is that it could be canon, whereas others, including yourself, have more or less suggested that is an impossibility.

 

I never stated we should "assume everything we see is canon." To the contrary, I explicitly stated the Distress Call trailer was not canon and it was meant to highlight the weight of choices in ME1. No one is getting "defensive" here. Certainly not me. I just believe it is foolish to blatantly disregard a trailer because you feel it is nothing more than fan service. I am merely positing the possibility that it may have more value than many are giving it credit.

 

What "holes" are you alluding to? Who said this has anything to do with the Alliance? The OP explicitly states the ARK was likely manufactured by the Council. If anything, that would suggest Shepard's Spectre status would have had a role than anything to do with the Alliance. We do not know the actual scale of the ARK and we do not know how close it actually was to Earth. If you notice, the trailer suggests it was not within the planets orbit. We just do not know enough, other than the trailer suggests the ARK departed from the Sol system.

 

There is no absolute truth here. I am merely putting forth a theory based on what evidence we have. It is when we start discussing inference upon inference that is not evidence that has no value and is detrimental to the discussion at hand.



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I explicitly stated the Distress Call trailer was not canon and it was meant to highlight the weight of choices in ME1.

 

... and did it actually highlight the weight of choices in ME1 accurately?... No, it didn't.  Nowhere in ME1 was the player asked to choose absolutely between helping one colony over another.  The player had all the time in the world to do all the missions and side missions available in the game.  Quite frankly, the Distress Call trailer is misleading.

 

The express wording of your question was:  "Why would BioWare create a trailer setting up MEA if it isn't canonically accurate?"  My assessment is:  I don't know expressly why they would... but they have created trailers that are not accurate before and are probably not above doing it again.

 

Now let's analyze that trailer a little bit... You posit that the ARK was most likely built by the Council, yet that trailer could suggest that humans built it on their own:  "We are travelers... constantly moving forward... and looking back... alone and as one." 

 

None of the images to the point of showing us the ARK shows anything that isn't human.  If it's human, might it have left the Sol system at any time before the events of ME1... even long before?... arriving in the Andromeda system long after the events of ME3.

 

Perhaps the Council built a separate ARK that also shows up in the Andromeda galaxy (just positing an alternative suggestion here).  Maybe the Krogan built their own ARK. So maybe we arrive there alone... hook up with whatever species we find there... and ultimately explore it "as one."

 

Another detail - the lift off emissions right at the beginning reverse... time warp possible???

 

Can you at least accept that not seeing the details the same way as you do does not necessarily equate to not seeing possible details in the trailer?



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Okay, what I said:

I wouldn't be so quick to regard that teaser as a canon portrayal of events, myself.

The first line of your response:

Why would BioWare create a trailer setting up MEA if it isn't canonically accurate? BioWare doesn't just release trailers for the sake of hype and nothing else.

I merely suggested that the trailer details should not be assumed as binding canon.  I never said it was an impossibility that at least some details could be accurate.  You responded that Bioware never releases a trailer that was not canon.  You said that I was wrong, to continue to argue otherwise because you didn't explicitly use the phrase "you're wrong" is to descend into pedantry.

 

You would be incorrect then. What I am actually stating is you are dismissing what could actually be a more insightful trailer on closer look. I never explicitly stated you are "wrong." You are merely perceiving my rhetoric as such because you do not agree. All I'm suggesting is that it could be canon, whereas others, including yourself, have more or less suggested that is an impossibility.

 

I never stated we should "assume everything we see is canon." To the contrary, I explicitly stated the Distress Call trailer was not canon and it was meant to highlight the weight of choices in ME1. No one is getting "defensive" here. Certainly not me. I just believe it is foolish to blatantly disregard a trailer because you feel it is nothing more than fan service. I am merely positing the possibility that it may have more value than many are giving it credit.

 

What "holes" are you alluding to? Who said this has anything to do with the Alliance? The OP explicitly states the ARK was likely manufactured by the Council. If anything, that would suggest Shepard's Spectre status would have had a role than anything to do with the Alliance. We do not know the actual scale of the ARK and we do not know how close it actually was to Earth. If you notice, the trailer suggests it was not within the planets orbit. We just do not know enough, other than the trailer suggests the ARK departed from the Sol system.

 

There is no absolute truth here. I am merely putting forth a theory based on what evidence we have. It is when we start discussing inference upon inference that is not evidence that has no value and is detrimental to the discussion at hand.

You did not "posit a possibility".  You said that Bioware wouldn't release a trailer that wasn't canonically accurate and then backtracked when examples were provided that contradicted that statement.  You may believe I am "foolish" for considering the possibility that the trailer is intended as a nostalgic farewell to the Milky Way and the old trilogy rather than a strict portrayal of canon events, but you're the only one treating an expression of doubt as an assertion of impossibility.

 

You do realize that whether it's the Alliance or the Council, it really doesn't matter for the point I was making about this recording being at least two years old?  Of course, if the Alliance isn't behind it we're left with the question of why it would be leaving from Earth to start with, it also raises the question of why they would be playing a recording of Shepard (Accused of war crimes or suspected of association with Cerberus at the time of departure).  And why a speech specifically about humanity?  I'll grant you that we don't know the precise dimensions of the Ark, but from the interior concept art we can assume its too large to escape notice right above the human homeworld and at the very least much closer to earth than Luna.  Why would the Ark be departing from Earth at all?


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I'm hoping that it is not cause #nomorereapers 



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Do you even like Mass Effect? The reapers were the entire focus of the original trilogy...

 

 

 

I know for a fact that the person you replied to loves Mass Effect. I too, love Mass Effect. I too think the reapers were one of the worst ideas ever. Well, they were the MEU's version of The Blight; the version of the dark lord's orcs marching over the world and destroying everything. And only the chosen one, in this case The Shepard, can stop them. This has been done way too many times. I'm bored.

 

You can do a story without "the chosen." Of course the problem with that is the DA2 problem where it isn't the big power trip for the player.

 

Tell me another story about The Shepard.



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... and did it actually highlight the weight of choices in ME1 accurately?... No, it didn't.  Nowhere in ME1 was the player asked to choose absolutely between helping one colony over another.  The player had all the time in the world to do all the missions and side missions available in the game.  Quite frankly, the Distress Call trailer is misleading.

 

The express wording of your question was:  "Why would BioWare create a trailer setting up MEA if it isn't canonically accurate?"  My assessment is:  I don't know expressly why they would... but they have created trailers that are not accurate before and are probably not above doing it again.

 

Now let's analyze that trailer a little bit... You posit that the ARK was most likely built by the Council, yet that trailer could suggest that humans built it on their own:  "We are travelers... constantly moving forward... and looking back... alone and as one." 

 

None of the images to the point of showing us the ARK shows anything that isn't human.  If it's human, might it have left the Sol system at any time before the events of ME1... even long before?... arriving in the Andromeda system long after the events of ME3.

 

Perhaps the Council built a separate ARK that also shows up in the Andromeda galaxy (just positing an alternative suggestion here).  Maybe the Krogan built their own ARK. So maybe we arrive there alone... hook up with whatever species we find there... and ultimately explore it "as one."

 

Another detail - the lift off emissions right at the beginning reverse... time warp possible???

 

Can you at least accept that not seeing the details the same way as you do does not necessarily equate to not seeing possible details in the trailer?

In fairness, ME1 was not the game BioWare originally planned it to be. It was going to be far more ambitious, but many ideas were cut and features were slimmed down to technical limitations as well as time constraints and budgetary concerns. This was pre-EA, so BioWare ended up over promising on something they could not deliver. I agree Distress Call is very misleading, but there are a multitude of reasons for why that ultimately was the case.

 

Without a doubt humanity is involved in the ARK's development. The trailer certainly makes that abundantly clear. It also plays off on humanity's real life urge to explore and to go to new places never seen before. While that's certainly a theme, I wouldn't say that automatically invalidates any of the other Council races being involved.

 

The obvious next question is how would humanity even have that kind of technology for intergalactic space travel when nobody else does? This is why it seems highly unlikely this was a human project by itself. I also believe the likelihood of there being more than one ARK is relatively slim. Especially with more than half of Sovereign being "unaccounted for," I would not be surprised if the Council only had enough resources to create one ARK. Especially if Sovereign's core is powering the ARK, which would make sense, there's no way any species would be able to replicate that power source.

 

Are you referring to what appears to be a NASA shuttle launch early on? I'm not sure that's indicative of anything in particular.

 

You misunderstand my stance. I'm not suggesting your interpretation isn't possible. I was merely addressing that mine could also be possible and there were a number of reasons I believed this to be the case. Clearly, only BioWare knows the unadulterated truth behind the teaser trailer's meaning.

 

Okay, what I said:

The first line of your response:

I merely suggested that the trailer details should not be assumed as binding canon.  I never said it was an impossibility that at least some details could be accurate.  You responded that Bioware never releases a trailer that was not canon.  You said that I was wrong, to continue to argue otherwise because you didn't explicitly use the phrase "you're wrong" is to descend into pedantry.

 

You did not "posit a possibility".  You said that Bioware wouldn't release a trailer that wasn't canonically accurate and then backtracked when examples were provided that contradicted that statement.  You may believe I am "foolish" for considering the possibility that the trailer is intended as a nostalgic farewell to the Milky Way and the old trilogy rather than a strict portrayal of canon events, but you're the only one treating an expression of doubt as an assertion of impossibility.

 

You do realize that whether it's the Alliance or the Council, it really doesn't matter for the point I was making about this recording being at least two years old?  Of course, if the Alliance isn't behind it we're left with the question of why it would be leaving from Earth to start with, it also raises the question of why they would be playing a recording of Shepard (Accused of war crimes or suspected of association with Cerberus at the time of departure).  And why a speech specifically about humanity?  I'll grant you that we don't know the precise dimensions of the Ark, but from the interior concept art we can assume its too large to escape notice right above the human homeworld and at the very least much closer to earth than Luna.  Why would the Ark be departing from Earth at all?

When did I ever backtrack about trailers being canonically accurate? What I did suggest is that you have to distinguish the trailers by what they are trying to convey. The Distress Call wasn't about canon or the story, but rather about choices and their impact in ME1. ME2's trailer is clearly about the story and plot and it's canonically accurate. The MEA E3 2015 trailer clearly was about gameplay to give us a sense of what we would be doing. I believe the N7 Day teaser is more in line with the ME2 trailer providing a narrative and giving us a sense of how MEA's events begin.

 

There could be all sorts of reasons. Perhaps the ARK was traveling around the Milky Way to gather various species. Perhaps a large portion of its construction was being completed on Earth. We just simply do not know enough. Who's to say anyone outside of the higher ups in the Alliance are aware of Shepard's war crimes? I was never given the indication anyone, let alone all of humanity, was aware of what Shepard may have committed. If anything, it would make sense that the Alliance would want to keep these events as quiet as possible to avoid scandal and the potential revocation of Shepard's spectre status. Military trials are typically never public displays and I doubt this is any different for the Mass Effect universe.

 

I know for a fact that the person you replied to loves Mass Effect. I too, love Mass Effect. I too think the reapers were one of the worst ideas ever. Well, they were the MEU's version of The Blight; the version of the dark lord's orcs marching over the world and destroying everything. And only the chosen one, in this case The Shepard, can stop them. This has been done way too many times. I'm bored.

 

You can do a story without "the chosen." Of course the problem with that is the DA2 problem where it isn't the big power trip for the player.

 

Tell me another story about The Shepard.

In fairness, Mass Effect released two years before Dragon Age Origins did. If anything, the latter copied the former. If you are now referring to the Lord of the Rings, well that's entirely a separate story. I don't really see any comparisons between the two as the reapers were relatively unknown and largely a myth. I'd say they share more in common with the Dark Lords of the Sith, conducting their plans from the shadows and only striking at the very last moment for the killing blow.

 

I didn't believe anything was wrong with DAII's story. I actually loved that game's story. My problem was the gameplay was terrible, and I believe that's why most didn't like it. I actually loved my Hawke and was glad he made a return in DAI (even if he was using the wrong weapon...).

 

Without a doubt, Shepard was the biggest Mary Sue to ever live. I don't believe they'll be making that mistake again, even though it was kind of fun the first time around.



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When did I ever backtrack about trailers being canonically accurate?

How about here?

Why would BioWare create a trailer setting up MEA if it isn't canonically accurate? BioWare doesn't just release trailers for the sake of hype and nothing else.

What I did suggest is that you have to distinguish the trailers by what they are trying to convey. The Distress Call wasn't about canon or the story, but rather about choices and their impact in ME1. ME2's trailer is clearly about the story and plot and it's canonically accurate. The MEA E3 2015 trailer clearly was about gameplay to give us a sense of what we would be doing. I believe the N7 Day teaser is more in line with the ME2 trailer providing a narrative and giving us a sense of how MEA's events begin.

No, you started by balking at the idea that Bioware would ever release a non-canon trailer to set up MEA. I have a very different evaluation which you chose to attack as an "inference without evidence" and tried to discredit. If you really mean to only suggest a possibility, then why try so hard to the alternatives? You have no more evidence that the trailer is meant to be taken literally than I have otherwise.



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In fairness, ME1 was not the game BioWare originally planned it to be. It was going to be far more ambitious, but many ideas were cut and features were slimmed down to technical limitations as well as time constraints and budgetary concerns. This was pre-EA, so BioWare ended up over promising on something they could not deliver. I agree Distress Call is very misleading, but there are a multitude of reasons for why that ultimately was the case.

 

Without a doubt humanity is involved in the ARK's development. The trailer certainly makes that abundantly clear. It also plays off on humanity's real life urge to explore and to go to new places never seen before. While that's certainly a theme, I wouldn't say that automatically invalidates any of the other Council races being involved.

 

The obvious next question is how would humanity even have that kind of technology for intergalactic space travel when nobody else does? This is why it seems highly unlikely this was a human project by itself. I also believe the likelihood of there being more than one ARK is relatively slim. Especially with more than half of Sovereign being "unaccounted for," I would not be surprised if the Council only had enough resources to create one ARK. Especially if Sovereign's core is powering the ARK, which would make sense, there's no way any species would be able to replicate that power source.

 

Are you referring to what appears to be a NASA shuttle launch early on? I'm not sure that's indicative of anything in particular.

 

You misunderstand my stance. I'm not suggesting your interpretation isn't possible. I was merely addressing that mine could also be possible and there were a number of reasons I believed this to be the case. Clearly, only BioWare knows the unadulterated truth behind the teaser trailer's meaning.

 

When did I ever backtrack about trailers being canonically accurate? What I did suggest is that you have to distinguish the trailers by what they are trying to convey. The Distress Call wasn't about canon or the story, but rather about choices and their impact in ME1. ME2's trailer is clearly about the story and plot and it's canonically accurate. The MEA E3 2015 trailer clearly was about gameplay to give us a sense of what we would be doing. I believe the N7 Day teaser is more in line with the ME2 trailer providing a narrative and giving us a sense of how MEA's events begin.

 

There could be all sorts of reasons. Perhaps the ARK was traveling around the Milky Way to gather various species. Perhaps a large portion of its construction was being completed on Earth. We just simply do not know enough. Who's to say anyone outside of the higher ups in the Alliance are aware of Shepard's war crimes? I was never given the indication anyone, let alone all of humanity, was aware of what Shepard may have committed. If anything, it would make sense that the Alliance would want to keep these events as quiet as possible to avoid scandal and the potential revocation of Shepard's spectre status. Military trials are typically never public displays and I doubt this is any different for the Mass Effect universe.

 

In fairness, Mass Effect released two years before Dragon Age Origins did. If anything, the latter copied the former. If you are now referring to the Lord of the Rings, well that's entirely a separate story. I don't really see any comparisons between the two as the reapers were relatively unknown and largely a myth. I'd say they share more in common with the Dark Lords of the Sith, conducting their plans from the shadows and only striking at the very last moment for the killing blow.

 

I didn't believe anything was wrong with DAII's story. I actually loved that game's story. My problem was the gameplay was terrible, and I believe that's why most didn't like it. I actually loved my Hawke and was glad he made a return in DAI (even if he was using the wrong weapon...).

 

Without a doubt, Shepard was the biggest Mary Sue to ever live. I don't believe they'll be making that mistake again, even though it was kind of fun the first time around.

Sounds to me like you're conveniently setting the Distress Call trailer in a separate category of trailer just to suit your needs here.  Even ME2's trailer that you now say is representative of your idea of canon accuracy has an inaccuracy (that I have described) that you seem to be in complete denial over.  The bottom line for me is that Bioware has made inaccurate trailers in the past and, as a result, it is reasonable to believe that they are not above making inaccurate trailers now.  Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...  I'll believe the MEA trailer is completely accurate canon IF and ONLY IF the MEA game ultimately proves it to be so.  You can brush over whatever you like to "support" your theory... I'm outta here.  I'll just wait for the game to be released.


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