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[Vespervin]

Thanks for sharing that picture. It's awesome to look at. Really gets my mind going.

 

[TheChosenOne]

I'll thought it looked more like a collector ship

 

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'll thought it looked more like a collector ship

 

 

It certainly at least humors the hypothesis about it:

http://forum.bioware...lack-ark-theory

[Vespervin]

I love the BAT (Black Ark Theory).

[UpUpAway]

I'll thought it looked more like a collector ship

 

 

 

There is a loading screen of the Citadel in ME3 that, to me, looks most like the back half of the ARK image (sorry, don't have a screenshot of it).  To me, the addition in the front looks something like the Crucible after it docked with the Citadel.  The wings with the blue lights being subsequent addition... and it is only these blue lights that seem to me to be reminiscent of anything about a reaper.

[AlleyD]

I originally thought the Black ARK idea was an OK explanation for the ARK because it uses already installed assets from the series and the story for capturing the vessels uses a very similar plot as ME2. I changed my mind when I saw the ARK image from BioWare.  I couldn't see a workable narrative to explain why the materials used look totally different, the timeline for reverse engineering the techs is a matter of months and the idea does nothing to tackle the political issues shown in ME3 for the Alliance and the other Council species (being unprepared prior to invasion, being unwilling to co-operate in multi species projects without the intervention of Shepard, being under siege and unable to transport personnel to the ARK.

 

The Reaper Tech uplift has a longer timeline than the Black ARK (Several years instead of months) the remains of Sovereign were a more powerful technological skyhook and features materials techs that are closer in appearance to the BioWare ARK image above, and an off screen conspiracy to build and recruit an ARK project may have already have justification from Dialogue (Anderson's comments about how much of Sovereign's corpse is unaccounted for)

 

The skyhook event that I prefer as a narrative is tech derived from the Mars Archive. It has the longest available timeline for any human featured ARK and the evidence of a sudden capacity to engineer massive colonial projects exists throughout the human timeline, techs that were most probably derived from the MARS archive

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The skyhook event that I prefer as a narrative is tech derived from the Mars Archive. It has the longest available timeline for any human featured ARK and the evidence of a sudden capacity to engineer massive colonial projects exists throughout the human timeline, techs that were most probably derived from the MARS archive

The last place I want the plans for this intergalactic ship to come from is the Mars Archives. That place has already served as a Deus Ex Machina not once but twice, and it getting a DEM hat trick would shatter my suspension of disbelief. 

[AlleyD]

The last place I want the plans for this intergalactic ship to come from is the Mars Archives. That place has already served as a Deus Ex Machina not once but twice, and it getting a DEM hat trick would shatter my suspension of disbelief. 

 

I was simply listing the 3 major instances in the MEU human timeline where advanced alien technologies were suddenly introduced into the technological timeline of humanity and reverse engineered.

 

The Mars Archive is the centre for the uplift that gave humans the ability to engineer the vessels and colonies that are in the MEMW. The evidence is already there in lore for the ability to build massive structures and move massive amounts of humans/other species into previously unexplored space. If humans were involved in the project, the only lore evidence for the engineering capacity derives from the Mars Archive. We were not an interstellar species without it, let alone an intergalactic capable species.

[O'Voutie O'Rooney]

I am playing ME3 and happened to notice that there is a ship displayed on Liara's comp screen in her Shadow Broker office on the Normandy. My first thought was that the ship displayed is the original shadow broker base, and I seem to remember reading descriptions to that effect. The thing is, the ship on her screen seems to have incorrect dimensions to be the Shadow Broker base. The panel/"sail" things in the back are too large relative to the length of the ship, to be the Shadow Broker base. It does look a bit like the pictures we have of the ARK, save that the Ark has 4 arms rather than the larger 4 surfaces on the ship on Liara's screen. I would leave a picture of it, but can't find one online and am playing on console. Anyway, is there any consensus as to what that ship is on Liara's computer? It would make a certain kind of sense if Liara had information about the building of the ARK. Finally, if someone already brought this up I apologize.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I am playing ME3 and happened to notice that there is a ship displayed on Liara's comp screen in her Shadow Broker office on the Normandy. My first thought was that the ship displayed is the original shadow broker base, and I seem to remember reading descriptions to that effect. The thing is, the ship on her screen seems to have incorrect dimensions to be the Shadow Broker base. The panel/"sail" things in the back are too large relative to the length of the ship, to be the Shadow Broker base. It does look a bit like the pictures we have of the ARK, save that the Ark has 4 arms rather than the larger 4 surfaces on the ship on Liara's screen. I would leave a picture of it, but can't find one online and am playing on console. Anyway, is there any consensus as to what that ship is on Liara's computer? It would make a certain kind of sense if Liara had information about the building of the ARK. Finally, if someone already brought this up I apologize.

You mean this image? 

 

 

That's the Shadow Broker ship.

[O'Voutie O'Rooney]

You mean this image? 

 

 

That's the Shadow Broker ship.

Yes, that is it. thanks. I think there must be distortion on my TV screen. The ship doesn't look the same in-game on my XBox. Obviously from this picture it is the Shadow Broker ship.

[KaiAdamori]

I'm gonna go with not a reaper.

 

I suspect it's a human design and construction that is functionally and aesthetically inspired by the citadel and likely incorperates tech from the reapers/citadel.

 

I get the impression Andromeda will be set some time AFTER the events of the ME trilogy, post victory (or defeat) If after victory, some other cataclysm has forced an exodus to andromeda to flee destruction. if after defeat, it could be a human "ilos like" survival project.

 

Who knows, if the destroy ending is canon as many seem to want to believe, perhaps a new rogue AI created by the citadel races has arisen to wage bloody war on organics. In the face of defeat, the ARK! Que Andromeda.

 

Or not... guess we'll find out next year.

[SKAR]

There has been a lot of discussion recently about how it is "impossible," based on the lore, to have intergalactic travel. While this might be true to a degree based on conventional means of transportation, who's to say anything is conventional about the ARK being used to travel towards Andromeda? Why don't we explore what the ARK might actually be?

Here's a screenshot of it from the MEA N7 Day 2015 Teaser:



I don't know about you, but I noticed something rather troubling. The ARK has a resemblance to the Citadel. Perhaps, and what I think is also important to note, it even has a resemblance to a reaper.

Here's more potential evidence the ARK could be based on reaper technology:



This is concept art of a Citadel-esque environment that BioWare Montreal showed in a video during N7 Day 2014. While we don't know if this is actually the ARK, it wouldn't be unreasonable to believe it might be as BioWare suggests this could be a "social hub" and the ARK seems to be filling the void of what the Citadel was in ME1-3. It wouldn't be out of the realm of reason to believe BioWare would want some sense of familiarity in this new galaxy.

Lastly, and my final point, who's to say the ARK isn't actually the remnants of Sovereign?

As you know, ME1 concluded with Sovereign's destruction. In ME2, Sovereign's true identity is covered up by the Council and the wreckage is confiscated by a wide variety of groups. We see examples in ME2 and even the DLC of various groups getting their hands on pieces from Sovereign. However, what about the larger pieces that were likely confiscated by the Council? Who's to say that the ARK isn't actually a recreation of Sovereign?

As always, this is purely speculation, but I think it's important to note that the ARK, in fact, could be the galaxy's first and only self-created reaper. I'm assuming all of the detrimental aspects of a reaper, such as indoctrination, are likely not present for obvious reasons. Or are they?

Anyways, what does the community think? Is the ARK actually Sovereign remade for a new purpose? How would you feel about being on a ship that used to be Sovereign?

EDIT: It's also worth pointing out not all reapers look like leviathans. In fact, we saw a reaper that wasn't a leviathan in ME2, the human reaper. We know the reapers made more that did not look like leviathans, so it's entirely possible the ARK could just be another of those forms.

Interesting theory.

[SKAR]

I love the BAT (Black Ark Theory).

It makes sense. I wouldn't be surprised if what actually happens in MEA is something similar.

[iM3GTR]

Nice to see a nine page thread about Andromeda's plot, as opposed to a nine page thread on romance and/or ME3's ending.

[Creator Limbs]

This whole thread is filled with >implying

 

>implying reapers are subject to lore

>implying bioware is that smart

[Kabooooom]

I originally thought the Black ARK idea was an OK explanation for the ARK because it uses already installed assets from the series and the story for capturing the vessels uses a very similar plot as ME2. I changed my mind when I saw the ARK image from BioWare. I couldn't see a workable narrative to explain why the materials used look totally different, the timeline for reverse engineering the techs is a matter of months and the idea does nothing to tackle the political issues shown in ME3 for the Alliance and the other Council species (being unprepared prior to invasion, being unwilling to co-operate in multi species projects without the intervention of Shepard, being under siege and unable to transport personnel to the ARK.

The Reaper Tech uplift has a longer timeline than the Black ARK (Several years instead of months) the remains of Sovereign were a more powerful technological skyhook and features materials techs that are closer in appearance to the BioWare ARK image above, and an off screen conspiracy to build and recruit an ARK project may have already have justification from Dialogue (Anderson's comments about how much of Sovereign's corpse is unaccounted for)

The skyhook event that I prefer as a narrative is tech derived from the Mars Archive. It has the longest available timeline for any human featured ARK and the evidence of a sudden capacity to engineer massive colonial projects exists throughout the human timeline, techs that were most probably derived from the MARS archive

You're overlooking the longest and most plausible timeline of all - What if the ark isnt human built, but Asari built? The (limited) marketing so far is geared towards humanity, but all mass effect marketing is. More than likely, the Ark and the Pathfinders will be a multi-species initiative.

This isnt the first time the galaxy faced extinction.

The first time was the Rachni War. It was so severe of a conflict, they uplifted the Krogan to fight them. The Asari and Salarians were losing. Miserably. All indications were the Rachni would conquer the galaxy. Probably, they would have had a contingency plan in place in case they had to evacuate the galaxy.

Enter Mass Effect 3s benign (at the time, they obviously had no concept of the Ark or Andromeda) comment by the Asari Counselor about "now I have to go make preparations, there is continuity of civilization to consider". This would be a convenient line to retroactively make a subtle plot device for Andromeda. Continuity of civilization? Really? How will anything continue if the Reapers win? You either have to run/hide, or fight. Fighting wasn't working, so that statement directly implies the former.

Enter Mass Effect: Andromeda - the civilizations of the galaxy have fled the MW on an Asari-made ark, built during the Rachni War as a cryo ship fallback plan to flee the galaxy if the Krogan failed.

Now you've made the timeline believable and tied Andromeda into ME3 in a subtle way. That's probably the most plausible way they could work an Ark in without a massive asspull.

But dont expect that. It'll probably be asspulls galore.