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[Hexxagone]

The Maker, the Fade, Veil, old Gods, Elven Gods, Andreste, Elven history, the Chantry, multiple ages etc.

Who can follow all this? Im sure Bioware writers even get confused.

[AedanStarfang]

I think because with bigger games, expanded content comes newer ideas that the writers will either negate the original lore or merge into pre-existing lore (more likely)

[Secret Rare]

Because the world is a big place and each region has it's own culture.

[thats1evildude]

It helps make for a setting with more depth and a world that feels more alive.

 

Also, it's better to have a world that is already extensive than having to staple on "new lands" when you want to sell more content.

[Ghost Gal]

Yeah! Why can't there just be one nation, one religion, one race, one culture, and one history for all people in Thedas, just like how it is for people and the world in real life?

 

Oh wait...

[Andraste_Reborn]

You left out all the dwarf stuff!

 

Anyway, I can't say I've ever had trouble following it. I like the way Thedas has a rich history we don't know everything about - makes it feel more like a real place.

[German Soldier]

They can write all the lore they want so long as they don't tied everything with a star child like they did in ME.
BioWare may be good to write mysteries but they suck when they deliver explanations.

[vertigomez]

The Maker, the Fade, Veil, old Gods, Elven Gods, Andreste, Elven history, the Chantry, multiple ages etc.
Who can follow all this? Im sure Bioware writers even get confused.

You mean it should be simple, like how it is with God, the afterlife, polytheism, Hermeticism, honji-suijaku, Jesus, Jewish history, the Church, multiple centuries, etc.?

[LOLandStuff]

You think DA's lore is convoluted? Check out D&D.

[Toasted Llama]

I guess you were never good at history, were you?

[Geth Supremacy]

The Maker, the Fade, Veil, old Gods, Elven Gods, Andreste, Elven history, the Chantry, multiple ages etc.

Who can follow all this? Im sure Bioware writers even get confused.

 

You can't get confused when you just change it on the fly.  It's versatile and molded to fit whatever they need or want to do with it.  What previous games said doesn't matter.

[vertigomez]

You can't get confused when you just change it on the fly.  It's versatile and molded to fit whatever they need or want to do with it.  What previous games said doesn't matter.

LOL.

Nah.

[Dutch's Ghost]

What? DA needs more lore to truly be convoluted. In general, DA lore and ME lore is easy to digest. 

[Obadiah]

I think it's supposed to be events and history viewed through the interpretive distortion lenses of different cultures.

I would like it more if I didn't have the sneaking suspicion that they were making it up with each game to suit that particular story's needs. Just trying to reconcile the idea that Cory is reborn inside Grey Wardens because an aspect of him is inside a false Archdemon, when that "soul" jump rebirth is how the real Archdemons are killed is making my head hurt.

[Gwydden]

I... don't think it's particularly convoluted? There are fantasy universes out there that put Thedas to shame when it comes to sheer amount of data. Not that that's always a good thing, mind you.

[Catilina]

The Maker, the Fade, Veil, old Gods, Elven Gods, Andreste, Elven history, the Chantry, multiple ages etc.

Who can follow all this? Im sure Bioware writers even get confused.

 

Do not forget the Qun, the Stone, the Titans... Ugh!

[sniper_arrow]

The Maker, the Fade, Veil, old Gods, Elven Gods, Andreste, Elven history, the Chantry, multiple ages etc.

Who can follow all this? Im sure Bioware writers even get confused.

 

Can you site what lore in other games/media you understand the most? I get the feeling you haven't been reading fiction in general.

[Secret Rare]

If your issue was not with the several traditions that fill the world of Thedas but more likely with the several big reveals that happen at each game

Something more akin to:

"Why it seems that there is so much change in the lore at each installment? I find this difficult to follow."

Well my answer is that nobody in Thedas know history even remotely right

Dwarves,elves,Qunari,humans each group have their own tales about what once was and most of the time they develop their own view based on false pretences

Historians and experts like Genitivi Or Solas exists in the setting but most of the lore is built upon scattered pieces , oral traditions and legends rather than facts.

I will admit however that Bioware always make experts look like complete fools in their games, because they need big reveals that only the character knows etc etc. 

The truth is, that experts know only as much as is convenient for the plot to have them know.

When games and stories of all kinds are written by multiple writers, you will get this sort of thing. Some people never read the other writer's work, some read a little or just the material on the game they are working on, some simply do not like or are interested in certain characters and plot ideas, so do not engage with them as fully as earlier writers did.

Take the  red lyrium it is just a retconned plot device

Varric mentions that not even the Merchant Guild Dwarfs in Orzammar know anything about it or had ever seen it. And their entire business is Lyrium. They wrote the book on the stuff - with Lyrium! Its just a more visually interesting and expressive way of showing blight infestation. It was far more interesting when is was simply one idol with an implied pseudo sentience about it. Having it suddenly be everywhere makes all the people who should technically have known about it, look incompetant.

Basically, its a wonder that things like this work at all over time, as writers come and go. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. You can't expect all the writers to have read and memorized all the lore, especially as the games rack up and the lore increases each time.

[Addictress]

There is a fine line between convoluted and rich-and-complicated, and then the plots are so long you can't even tell the difference, which I think is a fine play. A fine play indeed.

[SomberXIII]

Convoluted lore? It's not even enough for me.

[Cantina]

The Maker, the Fade, Veil, old Gods, Elven Gods, Andreste, Elven history, the Chantry, multiple ages etc.

Who can follow all this? Im sure Bioware writers even get confused.

 

Quite easily.

 

I find the lore in DA to be interesting. Which is the main reasons why I enjoy DA.

 

Most D&D style games have a vast array of lore in order for the world to feel more alive. However depending on how far down the rabbit hole the developers choose to go. The lore can be barely there like Diablo, just enough such as Fable, a bit more in depth like DA or so massive like Elder Scrolls. Most people who enjoy fantasy style games prefer as much lore as possible (raises hand).

 

If you find the lore in DA series to be too much to follow, I suggest not trying the Elder Scrolls Series. The Elder of the Scrolls lore makes DAs lore look like a footnote.

[Knight of Dane]

No people get it wrong. It's not because the world is big, that's not a issue. It's because the developers and writers keeps changing their mind and sometimes they are even unaware of their own lore when writing for new releases .

 

Of course this is because there are several writers and not just one as with most fantasy litterature.

[greenbrownblue]

The Maker, the Fade, Veil, old Gods, Elven Gods, Andreste, Elven history, the Chantry, multiple ages etc.

Who can follow all this? Im sure Bioware writers even get confused.

Thanks God the lore is so huge. Makes it feel like the real world. Also, good for kids who never had a book in their hand. At least they get to read some codexes.

[Gunsomber]

Damn, I don't have anymore likes left. Good posts with good points in this thread. 

 

I agree that they keep changing their minds, probably due to fan service. But all in all the story in dragon age is very interesting imo. Only Inquisition had a bit of a boring and somewhat different direction than its prequels. 

 

Gonna start another playthrough right now though, still love it xD

[Mistic]

Compared to The Elder Scrolls, where the very concept of lore and the nature of reality is flexible, Thedas has pretty straightforward lore, I think. And it seems that at least the writers have some general truths set in stone about the setting, even if we don't know which those truths are.