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[Ascari]

You forgot that Shepard can fall to his/her death in the Collector Base.

[KaiserShep]

You forgot that Shepard can fall to his/her death in the Collector Base.

Yeah but that kinda doesn't even count because the series can't even continue with it.

[Revan Reborn]

You forgot that Shepard can fall to his/her death in the Collector Base.

That's about as canon as the "Refusal" option in ME3. It's obviously just there for fan service to show that you can "fail" completely if you choose to do so.

[Vox Draco]

When will people stop projecting the issue to how "sad it was"? >_>

 

I think anyone but the teenage Bioware fan crowd was completely okay about the idea of a sad or bittersweet ending. What people expected wasn't a happy ho-hum ending like ME2. It was that we'd get an ending that would do what great endings do which is provide resolution, closure and leave you feeling fulfilled. After playing the majority of ME3 and especially the Earth mission anyone should be able to get a sense that this wasn't going to end on a rainbow and bunnies happy ending. Whether it was happy or sad was never the issue. There is a reason why people don't have an issue with Titanic's sad ending even though it's a movie even simple-minded people can enjoy.

 

Yeah, the many discussions I had in 2012 defending myself to be NOT some stupido simply wanting some happy happy joy joy hollywood ending *sigh*

 

When we reach Earth the galaxy is in ruins, billions have died horribly already - and on top of THAT some people still wanted more bleakness and death, and accuse people that merely wanted the main hero to be confirmed alive to be Disney-Happy-Ending-lovers ... I never understood those people. No matter what, ME3 would have needed to end on a bitter note, with so much death and destruction.

 

Even if the Crucible would have been the Deus Ex Machina Supweapon to kill all Reapers (which, despite a cringeworthy cliche, would have fitted better than the surreal gameshow we got...artistic my shapely behind...) that would not have meant a happy ending by faiytale-standards at all!

 

Shepard, standing battered and bruised among the ruins that oncew had been Earth, a few survivors climbing across the rubble to meet her - would have been so much better than that pathetic breathing scene, and was actually the thing I had hoped for to see - if that counts as rainbow and unicorn, I dunno ...

[Revan Reborn]

Yeah, the many discussions I had in 2012 defending myself to be NOT some stupido simply wanting some happy happy joy joy hollywood ending *sigh*

 

When we reach Earth the galaxy is in ruins, billions have died horribly already - and on top of THAT some people still wanted more bleakness and death, and accuse people that merely wanted the main hero to be confirmed alive to be Disney-Happy-Ending-lovers ... I never understood those people. No matter what, ME3 would have needed to end on a bitter note, with so much death and destruction.

 

Even if the Crucible would have been the Deus Ex Machina Supweapon to kill all Reapers (which, despite a cringeworthy cliche, would have fitted better than the surreal gameshow we got...artistic my shapely behind...) that would not have meant a happy ending by faiytale-standards at all!

 

Shepard, standing battered and bruised among the ruins that oncew had been Earth, a few survivors climbing across the rubble to meet her - would have been so much better than that pathetic breathing scene, and was actually the thing I had hoped for to see - if that counts as rainbow and unicorn, I dunno ...

Honestly, I'm surprised we even got the "pathetic breathing scene." Personally, I thought Shepard was a goner the moment ME3 began. He never had a clear plan or a method for killing reapers. Heck, he was barely even able to kill one and it took most of the galaxy's military might to do it. The crucible seemed like a convenient plot point and I seriously questioned if it would actually even work.

 

For those of us who even went with High EMS Destroy, we are lucky we even got the breathing scene, honestly. I can definitely tell you BioWare would not have shown Shepard up and about on his feet at the end. That would have severely undermined the legitimacy of Synthesis and Control as a living, breathing Shepard could bias players towards wanting to pick the ending they survive rather than picking the one they believe was "right" for the galaxy.

 

In my personal opinion, the breath scene at least indicated that Shepard was alive after the Citadel was fired and that brought closure for me personally. There was no fist pumping or hugging or celebrating, but I'm not sure that would have been an appropriate ending for what was such an unlikely outcome for the species of the Milky Way. Shepard was a martyr, and ultimately that was the point BioWare was trying to drive forward on.

[Hexxagone]

If Shepard lives in the high EMS ending, then why does Jack or Miranda still have the slide where they are looking up at the stars like when you die? Why is Shepard not in any of the ending slides of the destroy ending?

I don't know what they were trying to achieve with the breathing scene, but Bioware missed the mark.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Shepard survived the high EMS destroy ending. After the EC was out, the iOS App sent you an e-mail from Shepard's love interest stating how badly they wanted to see Shepard in the ICU. The app no longer functions.

 

BioWare people trolled the players asking about Shepard's fate in the high EMS destroy ending for over a year. 

[Vox Draco]

Honestly, I'm surprised we even got the "pathetic breathing scene." Personally, I thought Shepard was a goner the moment ME3 began. He never had a clear plan or a method for killing reapers. Heck, he was barely even able to kill one and it took most of the galaxy's military might to do it. The crucible seemed like a convenient plot point and I seriously questioned if it would actually even work.

 

For those of us who even went with High EMS Destroy, we are lucky we even got the breathing scene, honestly. I can definitely tell you BioWare would not have shown Shepard up and about on his feet at the end. That would have severely undermined the legitimacy of Synthesis and Control as a living, breathing Shepard could bias players towards wanting to pick the ending they survive rather than picking the one they believe was "right" for the galaxy.

 

In my personal opinion, the breath scene at least indicated that Shepard was alive after the Citadel was fired and that brought closure for me personally. There was no fist pumping or hugging or celebrating, but I'm not sure that would have been an appropriate ending for what was such an unlikely outcome for the species of the Milky Way. Shepard was a martyr, and ultimately that was the point BioWare was trying to drive forward on.

 

The thing is, of course a moot point by now, that the appropiate ending would not have had anything like synthesis or control or whatever - the appropiate ending would have played out with Hackett, Shep, and TIM (harbinger-mindcontrolled), and there would have been only one outcome to the galaxy - Reapers destroyed - and the choices would have been about HOW Shepard achieves it, depending on the prior game AND how she deals with Hackett and TIM.

 

Origins should have been the template here: Do we sacrifice ourselves? Did we play nicely enough to have Hackett survive to let HIM do it? Could we in the end overcome TIM's control to have him help us? Were we effective enough so the fleet is still intact enough Shepard can flee, or were we so bad that even if we have no martyr in us we die?

 

Bioware wanted a martyr, a space-jesus, and it should have given the clear option to do this. But as Mas sEffect had long gone stopped being about Reapers and was mostly jsut about Shepard aka the fan-insert for many, Bioware should have left an option open to a more positive ending...as far as it was possible...

 

Those damn space-ghost-options, they start to make me madder and madder, even after all those years! Damn you Andromeda *waves fist* I should have avoided you!

[Sartoz]

I'm sorry, did you get confirmation from the devs that despite the scene clearly showing him breathing, he's dead? No? Did they go through all that effort in adding that extra scene of Shepard breathing only to kill him anyways? Man, what a twist did not see that coming. Seriously though, he's alive till they state he's dead.

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LOL

 

People believe what they want to believe.

[Laughing_Man]

I disagree. Just seeing the forums on here after ME3's ending, what I saw far more often than anything else was people furious that all of their choices led to Shepard dying or killing all synthetics and Shepard not being able to live happily ever after with his/her LI. Most people seemed to assume the crucible was just the magical answer to everything and would allow all of the main cast to get out of ME3 alive and into the sunset. This was a perspective I saw articulated time and time on BSN as well as various other platforms for social media.

 

I laugh at the notion that you managed to understand anything coherent regarding fan opinions from the forums after the ME3 ending.

 

There was only ONE thing the crushing majority agreed on: The ending sucked. When it came to details there were many opinions and reasons,

and various level of dislike towards many aspects of the ending.

 

In any case, in my personal opinion (which I know is shared by many others) the ending had many logical problems that had nothing to do with the lack of a classical "happy ending", it was like someone on the writing team had a "eureka" moment, fell in love with the idea and promptly suffered from an acute subjective blindness towards any flaws in his brain baby.

 

(I'm not going to write down those problems here, I did it too many times in the past, and others did it as well. There is almost an infinite number of quality walls of text detailing all the problems in ME3 ending)

 

The bottom line is, if most people tell you that you stink, instead of arguing you should consider taking a bath.

 

The "Extended Cut" was merely the polish they didn't bother to work on before the game release, something that by all right should be there in force at the crescendo of a supposedly epic story; unfortunately, both the ending and the last part of the game felt rushed. (thx EA)

[Vegeta 77]

Ryder defeats the new evil and his reward is a copy of the phantom menace.

[Revan Reborn]

Ryder defeats the new evil and his reward is a copy of the phantom menace.

With sticky nude pics of Jar Jar Binks included.

[fhs33721]

The pathfinder will be continuously bashed by the Mass effect fandom and be called a failure for not being Shepard.

[Revan Reborn]

The thing is, of course a moot point by now, that the appropiate ending would not have had anything like synthesis or control or whatever - the appropiate ending would have played out with Hackett, Shep, and TIM (harbinger-mindcontrolled), and there would have been only one outcome to the galaxy - Reapers destroyed - and the choices would have been about HOW Shepard achieves it, depending on the prior game AND how she deals with Hackett and TIM.

 

Origins should have been the template here: Do we sacrifice ourselves? Did we play nicely enough to have Hackett survive to let HIM do it? Could we in the end overcome TIM's control to have him help us? Were we effective enough so the fleet is still intact enough Shepard can flee, or were we so bad that even if we have no martyr in us we die?

 

Bioware wanted a martyr, a space-jesus, and it should have given the clear option to do this. But as Mas sEffect had long gone stopped being about Reapers and was mostly jsut about Shepard aka the fan-insert for many, Bioware should have left an option open to a more positive ending...as far as it was possible...

 

Those damn space-ghost-options, they start to make me madder and madder, even after all those years! Damn you Andromeda *waves fist* I should have avoided you!

That would have been okay, although I think just copying DAO's story would have cheapened the experience for me personally. I do agree that Destroy was always the default ending the trilogy gave us the expectation of having. Control makes a bit of sense based on TIM's philosophy. Synthesis is way out there, but it somewhat has ties to what Saren was talking about in ME1. Regardless, the way the choice was presented and the context we were given was just horribly done.

 

BioWare definitely wanted to make Shepard into the ultimate Mary Sue to ever exist. So they came up with what was supposed to be a game changing moral dilemma in which Shepard has to make the ultimate sacrifice to change the galaxy forever. It sounds great on paper, but how it was executed and approached was absolutely horrific. We can only hope that the new protagonist won't be Shepard 2.0 and won't have some utterly absurd final ending where his choice defines the Andromeda galaxy, if not the entire universe. I may just have to move on from Mass Effect after that.

 

I laugh at the notion that you managed to understand anything coherent regarding fan opinions from the forums after the ME3 ending.

 

There was only ONE thing the crushing majority agreed on: The ending sucked. When it came to details there were many opinions and reasons,

and various level of dislike towards many aspects of the ending.

 

In any case, in my personal opinion (which I know is shared by many others) the ending had many logical problems that had nothing to do with the lack of a classical "happy ending", it was like someone on the writing team had a "eureka" moment, fell in love with the idea and promptly suffered from an acute subjective blindness towards any flaws in his brain baby.

 

(I'm not going to write down those problems here, I did it too many times in the past, and others did it as well. There is almost an infinite number of quality walls of text detailing all the problems in ME3 ending)

 

The bottom line is, if most people tell you that you stink, instead of arguing you should consider taking a bath.

 

The "Extended Cut" was merely the polish they didn't bother to work on before the game release, something that by all right should be there in force at the crescendo of a supposedly epic story; unfortunately, both the ending and the last part of the game felt rushed. (thx EA)

Well, in fairness, the script of ME3 had to be reworked due to it being leaked and Javik's role being re-purposed. It also didn't help that BioWare only had two years to develop the game, when it should have at least had three for how ambitious it was. The entire project was just rushed and Mac Walters decided he knew "best" for the fans and made his own ending that wasn't in line with the previous two games. Again, my biggest complaint was the lack of clarity and overall ambiguity of the ending. It wasn't coherent and the catalyst literally tells you nothing useful, yet you are forced to make a galaxy-changing decision. It was just a poorly executed ending in which there was no satisfying result.

 

Extended cut helped some and the Leviathan DLC answered a lot of questions that should have been in the base game. Regardless, I think most folks probably see the Citadel DLC has a more fitting ending rather than what the base game had to offer.

[iM3GTR]

An STD. You can't biotic charge space herpes.

"Secrets are like Herpes. Once you got 'em, you may as well spread 'em around." -Harkin, 2183

[iM3GTR]

Well, in fairness, the script of ME3 had to be reworked due to it being leaked.

I want to find the guy who leaked the script, go round to his house, and shoot him.

[SwobyJ]

Pathfinder is a synthetic.

[Hexxagone]

Dont we all...

[fizzypop]

It depends if they plan a trilogy or not with this character. If they do then we have at least a few games before the inevitable shitty ending. If not then it will probably be something more cheery I would like to think they aren't stupid as hell and won't pull another ME3, but you know I don't have any faith in bioware. Not after ME3 and definitely not after the "meh" of DAI.

[NKnight7]

The pathfinder will be continuously bashed by the Mass effect fandom and be called a failure for not being Shepard.

 

I can't wait for the inevitable comparisons.

[prosthetic soul]

If the Pathfinder is hated for anything, I can assure you it won't be because he's not enough like Shepard.  My Shepard wouldn't have killed himself in some misguided method of adopting what the enemy was already working on.  He gave up in that chamber of terrible writing and homogeneous outcomes.  

 

I'd like to think that as Shepard was throwing himself into that green tube to spread the word of Synthesis (Even if the entire galaxy didn't want to hear it) he was actually saying to himself

 

"***** it, I'm done.  Sorry, everyone.  I am getting too old for this nonsense.  I REGRET EVERYTHING, AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" 
  *Then Shepard became the Saren*

[fhs33721]

If the Pathfinder is hated for anything, I can assure you it won't be because he's not enough like Shepard.

You misunderstand. People won't hate the Pathfinder for not being enough like Shepard. They will literally hate her/him for not being Shepard.

 

I predict a sudden surge of "Bring back Shepard" threads right after Andromeda releases.

[prosthetic soul]

You misunderstand. People won't hate the Pathfinder for not being enough like Shepard. They will literally hate her/him for not being Shepard.

 

I predict a sudden surge of "Bring back Shepard" threads right after Andromeda releases.

If that happens and there is like...a Twitter movement or something or maybe even a small backlash? 

 

I would cry happy, joyful tears.  The first in 29 years. 

[KaiserShep]

All the Pathfinder has to do to win me is to be smarter than Shepard. That's not exactly a high bar to jump. Heck all of the DA protags already met that standard.

[von uber]

Be amusing if in ME:A 4 we have to move to another galaxy again because of the inevitable space jesusing of the latest not!shep.