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[Donquijote and 59 others]

In this game Bioware killed all the trustworthy companions before the adventure begun!

My party should have been composed by 100% grey wardens and they should have been:

Duncan,Riordan,Alistair,Jory,Daveth and the other 3 GW with Duncan.

This should have been the party for the blight 100% trustworthy people and 100% all archdemons killer..

Instead i got a bunch of the most untrustworthy persons in Thedas (homicidal Qunari,assassin's,crazy witches,Golem killer,and well Loghain) 

Love of the irony they were never infected by the taint,,,even if they got bited by the Archdemon himself.....ok very realsitic...

 

So aside from Alistair my PC ,Shale the dog  Leliana and Wynne (maybe Loghain because boss  Duncan would have recruited him as a GW)   nobody should have been in my party because they are not  resistent against the taint!

 

[Jedi Comedian]

I would have loved if Riordan, Duncan and Daveth were followers, I liked them more than most of the actual party. However Morrigan should probably stay for story reasons.

[Ghost Gal]

I would have loved if Riordan, Duncan and Daveth were followers

 

Why would Riordan and Duncan, Senior Grey Wardens, follow a rookie around? 

 

In fact, that's probably why mentor figures are often killed early in video games. If they were alive we'd just follow them around and take orders from them all game, and/or their superior experience and knowledge on the subject at hand would make the story a lot shorter and easier. (Otherwise they'd just look like lazy, unhelpful bums who just sit back and make you run around doing all the grunt work, like Lady Aribeth in Neverwinter Nights.)

 

Plus, DAO is kind of based around the premise of, "You are one of the last two Grey Wardens in Ferelden, and you alone can stop the Blight." It makes the stakes more dramatic. (Although I would have loved if Daveth had survived. I know his death was meant to highlight how sucky the Joining fatality rate is, but still.)

[Secret Rare]

Yes i dislike that they killed off good characters like Daveth and Mhairi with the joining...and did not allowed Riordan later on to create more

[Tidus]

Secret Rare, Good point.. After Loghain is dead Riordan could have made more wardens but, he didn't...

 

He should have stayed with the PC warden and Alistair to attack the AD but,he lies and says "If we stay together the AD will know".. The GW attacks the AD in force never with 2-3 wardens.See "The Last Flight". I also recalled the AD already knew because of the dream and attack on the camp.

 

 

The question that cross my mind in my last game was  is Riordan a real warden or one of Loghain's lackeys?  Nothing Riodan says makes sense.

[Aren]

Secret Rare, Good point.. After Loghain is dead Riordan could have made more wardens but, he didn't...

 

He should have stayed with the PC warden and Alistair to attack the AD but,he lies and says "If we stay together the AD will know".. The GW attacks the AD in force never with 2-3 wardens.See "The Last Flight". I also recalled the AD already knew because of the dream and attack on the camp.

 

 

The question that cross my mind in my last game was  is Riordan a real warden or one of Loghain's lackeys?  Nothing Riodan says makes sense.

Obviously you know better than me that those are holes in the plot to try to make the dark ritual subplot appealing.

I mean there are several players (i was one of them) who genuinely believed the first time that they played the game that Riordan as an expert and senior GW would have killed the archdemon (it's a valid Rp choice)and since he was already sick there was no point in wanting to save his life.

Obviously things didn't work out because he was not the protagonist and he shouldn't have been allowed to kill the archdemon so he died in the most stupid way possible because the  Bioware writers said so....

[ArcadiaGrey]

 

Obviously you know better than me that those are holes in the plot to try to make the dark ritual subplot appealing.

I mean there are several players (i was one of them) who genuinely believed the first time that they played the game that Riordan as an expert and senior GW would have killed the archdemon (it's a valid Rp choice)and since he was already sick there was no point in wanting to save his life.

Obviously things didn't work out because he was not the protagonist and he shouldn't have been allowed to kill the archdemon so he died in the most stupid way possible because the  Bioware writers said so....

 

 

I thought that, I really believed Riordan would save the day (which is fine cause he's dying anyway).  I was devastated when he took that stupid leap on to the dragon and I knew I had to do the ritual to save my warden and Alistair. 

It's way too contrived.

[Jedi Comedian]

Why would Riordan and Duncan, Senior Grey Wardens, follow a rookie around?

In fact, that's probably why mentor figures are often killed early in video games. If they were alive we'd just follow them around and take orders from them all game, and/or their superior experience and knowledge on the subject at hand would make the story a lot shorter and easier. (Otherwise they'd just look like lazy, unhelpful bums who just sit back and make you run around doing all the grunt work, like Lady Aribeth in Neverwinter Nights.)

Plus, DAO is kind of based around the premise of, "You are one of the last two Grey Wardens in Ferelden, and you alone can stop the Blight." It makes the stakes more dramatic. (Although I would have loved if Daveth had survived. I know his death was meant to highlight how sucky the Joining fatality rate is, but still.)

Well, I meant having Duncan as a companion during the Origin story and Ostagar, and Riordan at the Landsmeet/Final Onslaugh.

[Tidus]

Aren,I fully agree Riordan is "WTH" plot hole.. IMHO such things doesn't make sense. Jory and Daveth should have survive the joining only to die in battle fully believable. After the first game I had a WTH moment when Leliana speaks of the joining as did Queen Anora and Wynne. Morrigan and Flemeth may have known as well. Yet,Duncan killed Jory because he refuse to drink the Darkspawn blood and Duncan wanted to keep the joining secrete. Was Duncan that naïve to believe nobody outside of the GWs knew?

 

B-W writers needs to rethink their story lines and sub plots since everything in DA:O goes against GW policy of being a neutral nonpolitical force that deals with blights and Drakspawn raids. The GWs didn't join forces with either side in Ferelden's civil war. Why did we have to pick a Dwarf King to end the Dwarven civil war or help a nutty Dalish Keeper?  Even putting a GW on Ferelden's throne would probably go against GW policy.

 

Another thought on the story line is having three GW the PC,Alistair and Daveth and (say) Leliana, Morrigan, and Zevran. as rotated companions and later Riodan would join and there would have been 4 wardens to fight the AD.. That's how I would have wrote the story using the DA books as a guide line.

[vertigomez]

Nooooo, thank you. Three Grey Wardens are more than enough for one game. And if you consider subsequent games, we practically have Grey Wardens coming out our ears.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Why would  Duncan, Senior Grey Wardens, follow a rookie around? 

 

 

Because i may turn his beard on fire

 

Nooooo, thank you. Three Grey Wardens are more than enough for one game. And if you consider subsequent games, we practically have Grey Wardens coming out our ears.

During a blight when they are useful there are few ok!

When there is Corypheus around and they are useless they are everywhere!

[Catilina]

 

Bioware killed all the trustworthy companions, good job!

And... also killed Kenny! The bastard!

[vertigomez]

During a blight when they are useful there are few ok!
When there is Corypheus around and they are useless they are everywhere!

LOL. But the threat of a Blight is lessened considerably when you have a whole contingent of Grey Wardens to combat it. No need for the rookie PC. Not much drama there.

[RoseLawliet]

 

Obviously you know better than me that those are holes in the plot to try to make the dark ritual subplot appealing.

I mean there are several players (i was one of them) who genuinely believed the first time that they played the game that Riordan as an expert and senior GW would have killed the archdemon (it's a valid Rp choice)and since he was already sick there was no point in wanting to save his life.

Obviously things didn't work out because he was not the protagonist and he shouldn't have been allowed to kill the archdemon so he died in the most stupid way possible because the  Bioware writers said so....

 

 

I did that my first time through the end. I watched Riordan fall and knew I'd screwed up royally. Indeed, king-to-be Alistair then charged the Archdemon (no dark ritual) to save my PC. I... No. Nope. I reloaded and yelled at Riordan for a few minutes. Looking back, I feel like I should apologize to him. After all, it wasn't his fault the devs wanted to make me cry.

 

More on topic: Yes, we should have been able to have a Joining after the Landsmeet with some guards, soldiers, SOMEBODY!