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[greenbrownblue]

I will just paste you the link : http://www.comicbook...rse-comics-2016 ))))) . I am actually glad to see that Marius and Tessa joined the Inquisition, because it means that they are not the ppl that Solas does not know, therefore they prolly will not be our companions. What a relief.

[nightscrawl]

I normally avoid these preview things, but... holy sh*t. I'm super confused as to the timing of it all, though. We'll just have to see how it all works out.

 

On p. 10-11 of issue 3, in the opening narration, Tessa specifically makes a reference to the events at Redcliffe, and also the Inquisitor. Meaning that, at this time, In Hushed Whispers has likely happened (in this canon), and they are now also in Skyhold with a new Inquisitor.

 

But Dorian would have already been with the Inquisition at this time. If he is alone in the Hissing Wastes, are we still during the time of the game, or afterward? Why is he alone there? If it still takes place during the game, I take great issue that they would use any follower in this way, since there was no hint of sending them out on missions solo, or with anyone else.

 

 

[edit]

Uh... of course, this may also mean that the Inquisitor refused his recruitment, and this is part of his "I’ll do what I can from afar" effort in that case. BUT, I would find it to be an extremely odd choice for the author to use in terms of a canon, simply because it seems like it would be an option seldom picked, and thus be a glaring separation for the majority of players. I'm certainly not suggesting that everyone likes Dorian, recruits him, or has him in their party, but I do tend to think that not many refuse recruitment, of anyone, when it is an option, even if they never use the character afterward.

 

Also, I don't think we can assume that this pair will not be in the next game, or as companions. Solas won't know everyone in the Inquisition, especially if they are usually in the field, as seems likely for these two.

 

This is why I normally don't look at previews, because the urge to over-analyze a few panels is irresistible. But Dorian!

Modifié par nightscrawl, 28 février 2016 - 04:40 .

[Heimdall]

I normally avoid these preview things, but... holy sh*t. I'm super confused as to the timing of it all, though. We'll just have to see how it all works out.

On p. 10-11 of issue 3, in the opening narration, Tessa specifically makes a reference to the events at Redcliffe, and also the Inquisitor. Meaning that, at this time, In Hushed Whispers has likely happened (in this canon), and they are now also in Skyhold with a new Inquisitor.

But Dorian would have already been with the Inquisition at this time. If he is alone in the Hissing Wastes, are we still during the time of the game, or afterward? Why is he alone there? If it still takes place during the game, I take great issue that they would use any follower in this way, since there was no hint of sending them out on missions solo, or with anyone else.

They also appear to be working with its-a-bow-not-a-Mage-staff Dalish.

And yes this does appear to be an instance of a follower going out alone. I'm not particularly bothered by it, honestly. It's not like the companions were unable to leave Skyhold without the Inquisitor chaperoning them. Just think of it as something Dorian did while the Inquisitor was off exploring other regions with different followers.

Edit: I want to know what a Perrepatae is...

[nightscrawl]

They also appear to be working with its-a-bow-not-a-Mage-staff Dalish.

And yes this does appear to be an instance of a follower going out alone. I'm not particularly bothered by it, honestly. It's not like the companions were unable to leave Skyhold without the Inquisitor chaperoning them. Just think of it as something Dorian did while the Inquisitor was off exploring other regions with different followers.

Edit: I want to know what a Perrepatae is...

 

Now that you mention it, Dalish, Krem (tiny behind Dalish), and Stitches are all there. Perhaps the whole Chargers gang is there? Perhaps this is an Adoribull canon scenario? Not like that is required for him to be with the Chargers, but it's a possibility.

[Witch Cocktor]

I'm not gonna get my hopes up for adoribull canon, so I think it's just an instance of Dorian going to Hissing Wastes to deal with the Venatori by himself (albeit a bit of a weird decision...), and the inquisition lending the Chargers for him. Could also be that there are other companions in the Wastes as well but that's highly unlikely.

 

We'll see how it goes though, either way, SUPER EXCITED!

[nightscrawl]

^ I know this isn't written by a Bioware writer, but they do have input. Given the popularity of the pairing among them, it might be a thing.

 

I'd prefer no mention of any type of game romance whatsoever, for anyone, so it can be as generic as possible to conform to as many player canons as possible, but that's just me. Leave the romance info for imports and such, IMO. The previous run of comics was one thing, since that starred a key character, but I generally do feel that these ancillary materials should be as generic as possible. The novels have actually done a pretty decent job of that.

 

At this point, however, I'm mainly curious about the timeline. This first arc is supposed to encompass pre- and peri-game, with the following arcs being post, which is another reason I think that this is indeed during the game. What Heimdall said above, and your remarks, are certainly possible, but I dislike it simply because it is a departure from the way the game is portrayed.

[Danny Boy 7]

I will just paste you the link : http://www.comicbook...rse-comics-2016 ))))) . I am actually glad to see that Marius and Tessa joined the Inquisition, because it means that they are not the ppl that Solas does not know, therefore they prolly will not be our companions. What a relief.

I'm not sure that's necessarily what that means. This actually strengthened my belief that Marius and Tessa will be followers (still more towards Marius though).

 

Edit: I think Parapatae is likely Mage Killer in Tevinter

[Danny Boy 7]

^ I know this isn't written by a Bioware writer, but they do have input. Given the popularity of the pairing among them, it might be a thing.

 

I'd prefer no mention of any type of game romance whatsoever, for anyone, so it can be as generic as possible to conform to as many player canons as possible, but that's just me. Leave the romance info for imports and such, IMO. The previous run of comics was one thing, since that starred a key character, but I generally do feel that these ancillary materials should be as generic as possible. The novels have actually done a pretty decent job of that.

 

At this point, however, I'm mainly curious about the timeline. This first arc is supposed to encompass pre- and peri-game, with the following arcs being post, which is another reason I think that this is indeed during the game. What Heimdall said above, and your remarks, are certainly possible, but I dislike it simply because it is a departure from the way the game is portrayed.

Didn't Sera go on her own mission during a War table mission though? Same with the Chargers?

[nightscrawl]

^ I don't know about Sera (I don't recall anything like this), but the Chargers are not followers, they are Iron's Bull's men that are at the Inquisition's "disposal." Indeed, that is the phrasing you use when asking Krem if he has any ideas about putting the Chargers to use. Also, you send the Chargers out on various missions after key plot points. I don't think it's the same thing.

[greenbrownblue]

I'm not sure that's necessarily what that means. This actually strengthened my belief that Marius and Tessa will be followers (still more towards Marius though).

 

Edit: I think Parapatae is likely Mage Killer in Tevinter

Oh, I wrote it because Inquisitor says he/she is gonna ind ppl Solas does not know (last scene, after keeping/disbanding the Inquisition).

[greenbrownblue]

This actually strengthened my belief that Marius and Tessa will be followers (still more towards Marius though).

 

God forbid!

[Danny Boy 7]

Oh, I wrote it because Inquisitor says he/she is gonna ind ppl Solas does not know (last scene, after keeping/disbanding the Inquisition).

Oh I know. It's just that Marius and Tessa don't appear to be a part of the Inner Circle or even the outer circle (Harding, Krem, etc), just a few agents. What I meant is that I think its clear that Dorian is going to play a big part of whatever the plot of DA4 is (as an adviser or follower who knows) and that actually knowing Dorian even in passing sort of hints that he or she might show up. And the fact that Marius provides the former-slave's perspective which could be one of the themes of DA4.

[nightscrawl]

Ahaha... I just noticed that Dorian's left shoulder is not bare. BLASPHEMY! XD

[Gervaise]

I find it very odd that they keep sending Marius and Tessa to the same locations that we visit with the Inquisitor.  They could just as easily have involved them with one of the war table missions that would link them in with events of Inquisition without crossing over into quests that we were a part of in game.   When we go to the Hissing Wastes, we free slaves who are being used by the Venatori, so what it going on here?   Plus we send the Chargers out on various missions for the Inquisition but none that involve the Hissing Wastes.  In my canon run through Dorian and my Inquisitor were practically joined at the hip; so he's hardly likely to be heading up some mission in the Hissing Wastes on his own with the Chargers.  It can't have happened before Skyhold because we don't even know about the Hissing Wastes until after we take up residence.   It would be stupid to suggest that Dorian wasn't recruited because for most people he was.  

 

If they make the Iron Bull/Dorian relationship canon in this comic I shall likely give up on the franchise altogether.   Regardless of David Gaider and Patrick Weakes own personal preference on the matter, relationships that are open to the PC should be left out of non-game material because it really spoils the setting.  It irritated me no end that they did seem to be pushing it so much.     When Leliana crops up in the novels they keep it deliberately vague about the Warden, so whether you romanced her or not, it doesn't ruin the immersion. 

[Danny Boy 7]

The only thing they're likely to make canon in this comic is that Inquisition happened and Marius/Tessa were involved. The fact that Dorian is working with, as far as we know, ONE charger doesn't infer a relationship especially when Bull doesn't even appear to be there.

[Heimdall]

Oh I know. It's just that Marius and Tessa don't appear to be a part of the Inner Circle or even the outer circle (Harding, Krem, etc), just a few agents. What I meant is that I think its clear that Dorian is going to play a big part of whatever the plot of DA4 is (as an adviser or follower who knows) and that actually knowing Dorian even in passing sort of hints that he or she might show up. And the fact that Marius provides the former-slave's perspective which could be one of the themes of DA4.

I also am beginning to think it likely that these characters will appear in DA4, though I'm still not onboard with them being companions. More likely, I suspect they will be affiliated with whatever Inquisition operation Dorian will be affiliated with in Tevinter, perhaps they'll be like Harding in Inquisition or side characters.

[Heimdall]

Oh I know. It's just that Marius and Tessa don't appear to be a part of the Inner Circle or even the outer circle (Harding, Krem, etc), just a few agents. What I meant is that I think its clear that Dorian is going to play a big part of whatever the plot of DA4 is (as an adviser or follower who knows) and that actually knowing Dorian even in passing sort of hints that he or she might show up. And the fact that Marius provides the former-slave's perspective which could be one of the themes of DA4.

I also am beginning to think it likely that these characters will appear in DA4, though I'm still not onboard with them being companions. More likely, I suspect they will be affiliated with whatever Inquisition operation Dorian will be affiliated with in Tevinter, perhaps they'll be like Harding in Inquisition or side characters.

[nightscrawl]

The only thing they're likely to make canon in this comic is that Inquisition happened and Marius/Tessa were involved. The fact that Dorian is working with, as far as we know, ONE charger doesn't infer a relationship especially when Bull doesn't even appear to be there.

As I said above,

Now that you mention it, Dalish, Krem (tiny behind Dalish), and Stitches are all there. Perhaps the whole Chargers gang is there?

Also, we don't know how the scene is set up, or how any of the three groups come together -- Marius/Tessa (she's not even in any of these panels), Dorian, Chargers.

 

Implying the Dorian/Bull canon can be done as easily as the Chargers happening upon Dorian, and Krem stating, "The Chief sent us to look after you and sends his greetings. I'm not giving you a kiss, though." You just need one single, simple line to show it, Bull doesn't even have to be there or in the comic at all. Hell, Krem could even suggest an Inquisitor romance in the exact same way, just replace "Chief" with "Inquisitor" or "His Worship" (Krem uses this in the game). Even though Dorian is my Inquisitor's LI, I would not want that either for the reasons I stated above.

 

The rest of the Chargers could be with Bull and Tessa elsewhere and this is some sort of coordinated attack. There are several Venatori sites in the Hissing Wastes.

[nightscrawl]

I also am beginning to think it likely that these characters will appear in DA4, though I'm still not onboard with them being companions. More likely, I suspect they will be affiliated with whatever Inquisition operation Dorian will be affiliated with in Tevinter, perhaps they'll be like Harding in Inquisition or side characters.

I think I'd prefer to see them in a game, just to see what they would look like. I'm... not too enamored of this art style. I doesn't help that I don't think that Dorian looks anything like his game self -- his face looks pinched in. If he had different hair and facial hair, I don't think he would be the same at all, unrecognizable. I've seen a lot of Dorian fanart that amounts to the same thing. It will be interesting to see how Leliana looks.

[Danny Boy 7]

As I said above,

Also, we don't know how the scene is set up, or how any of the three groups come together -- Marius/Tessa (she's not even in any of these panels), Dorian, Chargers.

 

Implying the Dorian/Bull canon can be done as easily as the Chargers happening upon Dorian, and Krem stating, "The Chief sent us to look after you and sends his greetings. I'm not giving you a kiss, though." You just need one single, simple line to show it, Bull doesn't even have to be there or in the comic at all. Hell, Krem could even suggest an Inquisitor romance in the exact same way, just replace "Chief" with "Inquisitor" or "His Worship" (Krem uses this in the game). Even though Dorian is my Inquisitor's LI, I would not want that either for the reasons I stated above.

 

The rest of the Chargers could be with Bull and Tessa elsewhere and this is some sort of coordinated attack. There are several Venatori sites in the Hissing Wastes.

Ah I am corrected. Still that's what I meant unless Bull shows up or Krem says something to that effect I don't think we have anything to worry about.

[Danny Boy 7]

I think I'd prefer to see them in a game, just to see what they would look like. I'm... not too enamored of this art style. I doesn't help that I don't think that Dorian looks anything like his game self -- his face looks pinched in. If he had different hair and facial hair, I don't think he would be the same at all, unrecognizable. I've seen a lot of Dorian fanart that amounts to the same thing. It will be interesting to see how Leliana looks.

You think it might just be trying to transfer these guys to a new format? I mean he looks pretty close to the concept art, but I know a lot of people had the same issues with the three-part series with Alistair, Isabela and Varric. I remember there was a huge uproar because people thought that Alistair's hair was brown.

[nightscrawl]

Ah I am corrected. Still that's what I meant unless Bull shows up or Krem says something to that effect I don't think we have anything to worry about.

I don't really think so either, to be honest, mainly because they have been really good with that in the ancillary materials. I probably should not have even suggested it in the original post above, but the happenstance just seems so odd and it was one thing that popped into my mind as a possible explanation for it.

 

You think it might just be trying to transfer these guys to a new format? I mean he looks pretty close to the concept art, but I know a lot of people had the same issues with the three-part series with Alistair, Isabela and Varric. I remember there was a huge uproar because people thought that Alistair's hair was brown.

No, I think it is that art style. I also think Alistair's hair was too red in the comics, and too orange in DAI. Both DAO and DA2 have him as a darkish blonde, you know, like dad.



Damn, I'm just so annoyed with greenbrownblue right now for posting this (not really, someone would have done it eventually). XD

 

17 days to go for release!

[Danny Boy 7]

I also am beginning to think it likely that these characters will appear in DA4, though I'm still not onboard with them being companions. More likely, I suspect they will be affiliated with whatever Inquisition operation Dorian will be affiliated with in Tevinter, perhaps they'll be like Harding in Inquisition or side characters.

I wouldn't be surprised either way. Like I've said in other threads Marius and Tessa could be the Rhys and Evangeline of DA4. Just because these guys have a big part in the story doesn't really point one way or the other. It's just that this makes them...more likely if that makes any sense? I mean Sigrun is absolute zero as far as companions go right? But if she were to appear in a comic or a novel in a major role I'd put here two or three steps up. The fact that Marius and Tessa are the connecting glue between Inquisition and DA:4 make me more inclined to think they will be companions or advisors, major NPCs or all of the above.

[Heimdall]

I think I'd prefer to see them in a game, just to see what they would look like. I'm... not too enamored of this art style. I doesn't help that I don't think that Dorian looks anything like his game self -- his face looks pinched in. If he had different hair and facial hair, I don't think he would be the same at all, unrecognizable. I've seen a lot of Dorian fanart that amounts to the same thing. It will be interesting to see how Leliana looks.

Looks fine to me, then again I've never been too passionate about Dorian.

I kinda want them in because really want to learn a lot about Tevinter society in DA4. Marius is like Fenris but could provide us with a more level headed account.

[Danny Boy 7]

I don't really think so either, to be honest, mainly because they have been really good with that in the ancillary materials. I probably should not have even suggested it in the original post above, but the happenstance just seems so odd and it was one thing that popped into my mind as a possible explanation for it.

 

No, I think it is that art style. I also think Alistair's hair was too red in the comics, and too orange in DAI. Both DAO and DA2 have him as a darkish blonde, you know, like dad.



Damn, I'm just so annoyed with greenbrownblue right now for posting this (not really). XD

Nah. I was just replying to the person who was getting a little TOO nervous that it would happen (not you specifically). I actually thought that Alistair's hair was like a darkish red in DA:O and DA2 had it as a REALLY light red.  I agree though it was too red in that comic, but just in the second mini-series where it was straight orange.