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Dorian is in the preview of Magekiller #4!


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The fact that Marius and Tessa are the connecting glue between Inquisition and DA:4...


This comic is not necessarily a reason for thinking this, though. We don't know how it will all play out.

OH! If they do want to bring at least one person forward, they could kill one of them off. Maybe Tessa will sacrifice herself for Marius, or something. God, he will be the angstiest companion EVER -- even more than Fenris! -- if that were to happen. He barely talks as it is!



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Looks fine to me, then again I've never been too passionate about Dorian.

I kinda want them in because really want to learn a lot about Tevinter society in DA4. Marius is like Fenris but could provide us with a more level headed account.

Same here. I mean whether Dorian is a companion again or not we're going to have some kind of pro-tevinter person. It would be cool to see what an Anti-tevinter, but not anti-mage person has to say.


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At this point, however, I'm mainly curious about the timeline. This first arc is supposed to encompass pre- and peri-game, with the following arcs being post, which is another reason I think that this is indeed during the game. What Heimdall said above, and your remarks, are certainly possible, but I dislike it simply because it is a departure from the way the game is portrayed.

Me too, this just rubs me the wrong way. I know the Inquisitor can't know everything everyone's doing at once, or know every agent, but adding even more things like this makes me feel like the Inquisitor was even more of a figurehead, and my Inquisitor would at least try to go around and meet people, give support, lead from the front. Oh, and she'd talk to Dorian about lots of things, so I feel like I should have known this.


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This comic is not necessarily a reason for thinking this, though. We don't know how it will all play out.

OH! If they do want to bring at least one person forward, they could kill one of them off. Maybe Tessa will sacrifice herself for Marius, or something. God, he will be the angstiest companion EVER -- even more than Fenris! -- if that were to happen. He barely talks as it is!

Oh yeah for sure. I mean they could both die at the end of the series and then they get demoted to absolutely unlikely as a follower. I don't think you get more angst than Fenris though. Marius has been pretty tame, more stoic than angst. I'd say Marius is much more like Sten in temperament. 



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Given that Inquisition presumably takes place over quite a lot of time, I don't have a problem with the notion that sometimes companions go off without needing their hand held.
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^ I wouldn't either if it were something that was even hinted at in the game. But it wasn't. All of the follower war table operations amount to receiving letters, informing the Inquisition, who then acts on whatever intelligence in the manner the Inquisitor deems the most appropriate -- force, subterfuge, diplomacy.


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Given that Inquisition presumably takes place over quite a lot of time, I don't have a problem with the notion that sometimes companions go off without needing their hand held.


Yeah, this. Dorian presumably doesn't spend all his time in that library alcove. :P

Sidenote and mostly unrelated to the OP, but I would love to read a series about what various companions/agents get up to when the PC is otherwise occupied. Varric arguing with his editor or doing the merchant prince thing, Fenris working as a merc in Kirkwall, Blackwall playing Santa and finally delivering that rocking horse he spent an entire year making... and whatever the crap happened back at camp in DAO. I presume it was something like this,

Spoiler

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Yeah, this. Dorian presumably doesn't spend all his time in that library alcove. :P

Sidenote and mostly unrelated to the OP, but I would love to read a series about what various companions/agents get up to when the PC is otherwise occupied. Varric arguing with his editor or doing the merchant prince thing, Fenris working as a merc in Kirkwall, Blackwall playing Santa and finally delivering that rocking horse he spent an entire year making... and whatever the crap happened back at camp in DAO. I presume it was something like this,

Spoiler

 

I've spent too much time watching all of those Wanderers of Thedas videos, in the past, and now you've gotten me started on them again.  :lol:


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^ I wouldn't either if it were something that was even hinted at in the game. But it wasn't. All of the follower war table operations amount to receiving letters, informing the Inquisition, who then acts on whatever intelligence in the manner the Inquisitor deems the most appropriate -- force, subterfuge, diplomacy.

Not only that, but through the War Table, codex entries, and walking around Skyhold, Quizzy knows many of the prominent agents (all of the multiplayer ones plus the ones you recruit personally). And also because my Inquisitor would definitely ask Dorian how it went on his trip to the Wastes and what happened etc.



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It has a very post-gamey vibe to me. Then again, I already cleared the Hissing Wastes of Venatori, so wtf?



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I understand what you guys are saying, and I agree that this seems to be an odd choice.

I can only imagine they're doing it in order to have an interaction between Dorian and Marius, either to build a relation between them or simply to draw out a discussion about Tevinter or Marius' past. Probably both.

Frankly I kinda wish they had just stayed in Tevinter and introduced new characters, but maybe they were worried they would have trouble attracting people unless they got some established character cameos in early.
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I also am beginning to think it likely that these characters will appear in DA4, though I'm still not onboard with them being companions. More likely, I suspect they will be affiliated with whatever Inquisition operation Dorian will be affiliated with in Tevinter, perhaps they'll be like Harding in Inquisition or side characters.

 

Maybe they'll appear as "extra companions" on occasional situations 



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Same here. I mean whether Dorian is a companion again or not we're going to have some kind of pro-tevinter person. It would be cool to see what an Anti-tevinter, but not anti-mage person has to say.

 

Well Calpernia is somewhat Anti-Tevinter :P



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I mean there is absolutely nothing in game that actually contradicts them going on missions and presumably they have to go out to meet with their contacts.

 

Also, even if you're close with someone if it IS a war table mission type thing you know the Inquisitor doesn't speak with the agents they just receive notes from them. Take into account also the fact that Leliana and the other advisors often send agents out on their own without input from the Inquisitor for scouting, spying, troop movements and the like.



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Well Calpernia is somewhat Anti-Tevinter :P

:P I'd say she is actually very Pro-Tevinter, Pro-Change for sure, but you don't join the Venatori without being super Pro-Tevinter.



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I understand what you guys are saying, and I agree that this seems to be an odd choice.

I can only imagine they're doing it in order to have an interaction between Dorian and Marius, either to build a relation between them or simply to draw out a discussion about Tevinter or Marius' past. Probably both.

Frankly I kinda wish they had just stayed in Tevinter and introduced new characters, but maybe they were worried they would have trouble attracting people unless they got some established character cameos in early.

 

Actually, since you bring this up... the following story arcs are going to take place post-game. Since we know that Dorian returns to Tevinter at some point before Trespasser, and that the Venatori are still active there, we might indeed see Dorian further along as well.

 

The hitch is that, if you ask, he stays in the South for most of the two years between the game and Trespasser, but if you take the "I understand" path he leaves a bit earlier. We also don't know how far along this comic is going to go post-game, whether it will intersect with Trespasser, or end right before Trespasser takes place and the Inquisition is folded into the Chantry or disbanded.

 

Regarding your comment, I can now see the comic timeline extending beyond Trespasser with them heading back to Tevinter and possibly joining up with both Calpernia (whose death is NOT confirmed in the game) and Dorian in opposition to the Venatori and their goals. Since this issue will have already established a meeting between Dorian and our duo, the stage is set for that relationship, which will possibly extend into DA4.

 

 

Also something to consider about the inclusion of the Chargers. This means one of two possible scenarios.

1 This is mid-game and the Inquisitor has not gotten the Qun mission from Bull yet.

2 The Inquisitor has gotten the mission and saved the Chargers.

 

If 2 is true, then in this world state Bull is now Tal-Vashoth and will not betray the Inquisitor (or Dorian) in Trespasser.



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I mean there is absolutely nothing in game that actually contradicts them going on missions and presumably they have to go out to meet with their contacts.

 
What contacts? Meet with who? Every follower operation has them receive information via letters that we actually read on the war table. Sera receives notes from her "friends." Vivienne receives letters from her noble friends and acquaintances. Dorian receives letters from Tevinter. Varric receives notes from his editor. Iron Bull receives reports from the Qunari. The only one I might give you is Sera, since her "friends" are everywhere.

 

No, there is nothing in the game that contradicts it, but there is noting in the game that supports it either. It's a convenient plot device made up by the writer so he could get the characters into whatever situation.

 

Of course, that is assuming this issue takes place during the game, which we still don't know.


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I'd say we're probably before the Chargers' mission. I know Greg Rucka mentioned not wanting to hint at any playthrough too strongly. He wanted the comic to be able to fit with any playthrough, impossible, but admirable.


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With the way the last few issues have gone, I have no idea when to expect a huge timeskip.

The writers are already presuming that Bull was recruited by including the Chargers, so I really don't know what to expect.
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What contacts? Meet with who? Every follower operation has them receive information via letters that we actually read on the war table. Sera receives notes from her "friends." Vivienne receives letters from her noble friends and acquaintances. Dorian receives letters from Tevinter. Varric receives notes from his editor. Iron Bull receives reports from the Qunari. The only one I might give you is Sera, since her "friends" are everywhere.

 

No, there is nothing in the game that contradicts it, but there is noting in the game that supports it either. It's a convenient plot device made up by the writer so he could get the characters into whatever situation.

 

Of course, that is assuming this issue takes place during the game, which we still don't know.

Again there is nothing that says that the followers stay at Skyhold 100% of the time. Without the operation notes from Argent and the others should we have assumed that their only use is during the multiplayer missions. Of course not because they're members of the Inquisition with the duties that entails, which includes missions not manned by the Inquisitor. Dorian and the other followers are Agents of the Inquisition, high ranking agents for sure and not directly subject to the chain of command, but extrapolating that they had missions of their own when not with the Inquisitor is not unthinkable (plot device or no).

 

Edit: My point being that the war table mission we work on are the ones our advisors deem important enough to warrant the Inquisitor's attention.



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^ I didn't say there WAS. That is what this means: "No, there is nothing in the game that contradicts it, but there is noting in the game that supports it either."

 

We don't disagree on the logic of the situation. I just don't like it.



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^I was replying to you saying that its a departure though. I was just saying that it really wasn't. It's just that Inquisition has us following the Inquisitor's every waking moment that saying what the followers are doing is kind of moot (from a gameplay and story perspective because it doesn't directly interfere with the story). Just trying to put you at ease with :)



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More likely, the Inquisitor and Inquisition slowly advance westward the entire game and circle back for the arbor wilds. Fast travel doesn't actually exist.
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It has a very post-gamey vibe to me. Then again, I already cleared the Hissing Wastes of Venatori, so wtf?

Especially if you cleared it all in one go, as soon as you got to Skyhold, with Dorian, who make comments on the area like he's never been there :P

 

I mean there is absolutely nothing in game that actually contradicts them going on missions and presumably they have to go out to meet with their contacts.

 

Also, even if you're close with someone if it IS a war table mission type thing you know the Inquisitor doesn't speak with the agents they just receive notes from them. Take into account also the fact that Leliana and the other advisors often send agents out on their own without input from the Inquisitor for scouting, spying, troop movements and the like.

Right, which made me feel like a figurehead ingame. Adding even more stories the Inquisitor never knew happened or had control over - even ones involving her friends - and ones that are supposed to be important, just makes me feel like even more of a figurehead :mellow:


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The Venatori never leave the Hissing Wastes, even if you raid all the Dwarven tombs.

You do rescue a couple slaves, but presumably Marius is raiding some fortress where the majority as being kept.