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[Bayonet Hipshot]

Hi folks, I need your help on this one.

 

I made a male Surana and the plan I have is for him to romance Morrigan. But the thing is that this Surana is a decent Elf. He helps people when he can, he is against slavery / pro freedom and he is against defiling ancient relics. He understands the necessity of the Circle even though he is against it being policed by the religious and prefers to be supervised by those who understand magic (so pro-Circle but anti-Templar). Essentially he is a neutral / good Warden.

 

The problem is that Morrigan goes against all these things. She disapproves when you try to help people, be it in Lothering or Redcliffe. She disapproves of the idea of the Circle of Magi completely. She disapproves when you try to save the Elves in the Alienage. She disapproves when you try to save the mages and when you want to destroy the Anvil of the Void (though the persuasion dialogue negates this somewhat). She disapproves when you do not do as Kolgrim asks. Lastly, she wants to condemn an innocent child to the burden of carrying the soul of an Old God for no clear reason (she never explains why she wants to have the soul in the first place).

 

So how do I romance Morrigan as a good / neutral Warden without just making her stay at camp all the time / bribing her with jewelry ?

 

Or do I just make him go for Leliana instead ? But how do I reconcile the fact that Surana finds Chantry & the Maker to be a load of hogwash (or he finds the whole Andraste-Maker thing to be a woman falling for a Fade spirit and nothing more) ?

 

Or do I just go forever alone with him ?

[Cyrus Amell]

In the event that you have the Feastday DLC then all of Morrigan's dislikes mean nothing, just give her gifts when she is low on approval. And even when I went without the Gift DLC it was easy enough to keep her happy with vanilla gifts provided I did things she asked such as fetching her a certain book or meeting a certain person (etc etc). And of course, you get a lot of approval from her for committing to a romance with her. In short, it is very easy to stay on her good side and still stay good.

 

I quite liked her witty banter even when she was arguing for a bad option to begin with. The woman is practically saintly compared to Velanna in Awakening who I did in fact want to strangle at times. Also, consider that the woman was raised in the swamps with her mother and perhaps your Warden should take it upon himself to tell her what is not right from his or her point of view.  

 

As for roleplay reasons, well, Morrigan is attractive on several levels. Sure there is the sex appeal, but Leliana is also a good option and so is Zevran in this department. Her dialogue, her well written wit and barbs voiced by Claudia Black, these are also things that might attract your attention. Lastly, I believe the most important reason Morrigan might appeal to a Warden is her seemingly exotic nature. She is different from anyone the Warden has met, whether the Warden was a Circle Mage or Dwarven Noble, and her viewpoints are far from the norm. So every Warden might see something different in her that attracts him.

 

There is nothing wrong with having disagreements in a relationship. And if you are so concerned with Morrigan having the Old God Baby then do as my Warden did and go after her when the epilogue starts to close. It makes it all the more satisfying when you finally catch up with her in Witch Hunt. Nothing bad comes of it in the end, and your Warden will have done everything he could to ensure such.

 

Leliana is ok, though I do find her a bit more bland than Morrigan. I mean yes, besides the three-way with Isabella of course. 

[Catilina]

With high persuasion skill you might be persuaded her to everything.

[Illegitimus]

 

Hi folks, I need your help on this one.

 

I made a male Surana and the plan I have is for him to romance Morrigan. But the thing is that this Surana is a decent Elf. He helps people when he can, he is against slavery / pro freedom and he is against defiling ancient relics. He understands the necessity of the Circle even though he is against it being policed by the religious and prefers to be supervised by those who understand magic (so pro-Circle but anti-Templar). Essentially he is a neutral / good Warden.

 

The problem is that Morrigan goes against all these things. She disapproves when you try to help people, be it in Lothering or Redcliffe. She disapproves of the idea of the Circle of Magi completely. She disapproves when you try to save the Elves in the Alienage. She disapproves when you try to save the mages and when you want to destroy the Anvil of the Void (though the persuasion dialogue negates this somewhat). She disapproves when you do not do as Kolgrim asks. Lastly, she wants to condemn an innocent child to the burden of carrying the soul of an Old God for no clear reason (she never explains why she wants to have the soul in the first place).

 

So how do I romance Morrigan as a good / neutral Warden without just making her stay at camp all the time / bribing her with jewelry ?

 

Or do I just make him go for Leliana instead ? But how do I reconcile the fact that Surana finds Chantry & the Maker to be a load of hogwash (or he finds the whole Andraste-Maker thing to be a woman falling for a Fade spirit and nothing more) ?

 

Or do I just go forever alone with him ?

 

 

Morrigan is a sucker for jewellery and other shiny objects.  Apart from that, there are certain places where it just makes sense to switch out Morrigan.  Why would you even take Morrigan into a Circle or a Chantry if you could avoid it?   Asking for trouble, that is.  

[German Soldier]

My advice is,save time and go for Leliana she is tolerant and liberal and a potential Divine for an import in DAI so a much more powerful girfriend than Morrigan and wanting a girlfriend who outright suggest you to kill your friends of the circles or your brethren of the Alienage is quite a mess for a moral neutral elven warden

(not to mention that in the Dlc she even betrays others elves).

She may be fun the first time one approach DAO but she become annoying after awhile.

[German Soldier]

 

 

 Nothing bad comes of it in the end, and your Warden will have done everything he could to ensure such.

 

 

Aside of giving power boost to bloodthirsty Evanuris named the all mother and alter a child bheviour?

[Aren]

I never felt particularly convincing or engaging two of the main romances of DAO the one of Morrigan and Alistair, because i feel that they are somehow "reversed" characters in their romantic relationship with the warden.

if you go by the energy of the person, Morrigan is much stronger and far more masculine while Alistair actually leans toward being more feminine energy wise and choosing to be very submissive, gentle, even emotionally fragile at times, sweet, etc... 

I'm not saying this as an attack on either character, but simply stating that the nature of their energies do make if masculine forcing feminine to submit. 

Alistair's energy is more feminine (not saying that he is feminine but his nature leans more toward the feminine aspects of caring, nurturing at times, being more willing than argumentative on whole, more submissive and willing to follow rather than leading more forcefully). Morrigan is far more masculine in her energy. If her character and voice were replaced by a Male's most of her lines would work perfectly. Same is true for Alistair for the most part.Where if you look at Leliana,you could never exchange her for the opposite sex and have it work well because she play to the aspects of her gender.

But Morrigan and Alistair are unique in this way. Could be swapped and it wouldn't make a bit of difference.

 

[German Soldier]

 Why would you even take Morrigan into a Circle 

As far as i'm concerned bring Morrigan to the circle does make sense for her personal quest.

[Cyrus Amell]

As far as i'm concerned bring Morrigan to the circle does make sense for her personal quest.

 

I concur. Frankly, as a Grey Warden in a time of a Blight you should theoretically have full authority to work with anyone to stop the Darkspawn. The Templars in Fereldan are too busy safeguarding the priesthood and dealing with the upheaval in the Circle to try and pick a fight with the Grey Wardens (however reduced in number) over a single apostate. Indeed, it's not untill after the Blight has passed that we see an actual attempt by some Templars to arrest a mage fighting alongside the Grey Wardens as was the case with Anders (though in hindsight some might think it would have been better if they had). 

 

So yes, you should be able to bring Morrigan into the Circle Tower without breaking with the lore the same way you can bring Sten (a Qunari spy) just because there is so much going wrong that they would not possibly make things worse. 

[fchopin]

Just give her some jewellery and take her with you everywhere you go.

[Aren]

I concur. Frankly, as a Grey Warden in a time of a Blight you should theoretically have full authority to work with anyone to stop the Darkspawn. 

Ironically enough the darkspawn of the 5th blight were less of a problem than the tasks requested by the allies

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Romance Morrigan with a male warden?

Isn't Morrigan a man? I remember Sten said that Morrigan is a man

[vertigomez]

Morrigan's pretty easy to win over, even as a goody-goody Warden. As long as you don't start preaching about how mages belong in Circles, or insulting her interests/appearance/behavior, she's cool.

Throw in a couple of heartfelt plot gifts like the mirror and kill her mom, and you're all set.

[capn233]

The amount of approval you lose for helping a few NPC's isn't so bad.  You lose more if you start telling her that all her opinions are wrong, or if you don't agree to listen or help her with her problems.  She also has three plot item gifts in the base game, which is a bit unusual relative to the others.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Throw in a couple of heartfelt plot gifts like the mirror and kill her mom, and you're all set.

That's a creepy way to be romantic...

 

On a side note i need to know who Morrigan's father is,i need to know who conceived this demon

[Donquijote and 59 others]

 You lose more if you start telling her that all her opinions are wrong

That's sad because actually is right ,her opinions are truly wrong in DAO poor warden lose approval for telling the truth..

[vertigomez]

That's a creepy way to be romantic...
 
On a side note i need to know who Morrigan's father is,i need to know who conceived this demon

Not any creepier than keeping your eyelashes in a jar or threatening to kill the Queen of Ferelden for you.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Forever alone!

[GoldenGail3]

Hard. It's so hard becuase she likes it if you do evil crap, and I don't have dat DLC so, I had to do it pure vanilla styled.

[straykat]

I don't like it, but I can see how it works.

 

I just don't like seeing myself in that role... It feels like I did when I was young, and pined a bit after girls who were trouble for me. I'd rather not be reminded. lol

[Dai Grepher]

It isn't difficult. My Hero is moral good and still had high approval with her the whole time. You have to talk to her about various things.

Then just carry out her personal quest with the Grimoires and killing Flemeth. And then give her the mirror, which is a personal gift, not a superficial one.

Even if you make decisions she doesn't like, you'll have more than enough approval to romance her.

[sylvanaerie]

 

Hi folks, I need your help on this one.

 

I made a male Surana and the plan I have is for him to romance Morrigan. But the thing is that this Surana is a decent Elf. He helps people when he can, he is against slavery / pro freedom and he is against defiling ancient relics. He understands the necessity of the Circle even though he is against it being policed by the religious and prefers to be supervised by those who understand magic (so pro-Circle but anti-Templar). Essentially he is a neutral / good Warden.

 

The problem is that Morrigan goes against all these things. She disapproves when you try to help people, be it in Lothering or Redcliffe. She disapproves of the idea of the Circle of Magi completely. She disapproves when you try to save the Elves in the Alienage. She disapproves when you try to save the mages and when you want to destroy the Anvil of the Void (though the persuasion dialogue negates this somewhat). She disapproves when you do not do as Kolgrim asks. Lastly, she wants to condemn an innocent child to the burden of carrying the soul of an Old God for no clear reason (she never explains why she wants to have the soul in the first place).

 

So how do I romance Morrigan as a good / neutral Warden without just making her stay at camp all the time / bribing her with jewelry ?

 

Or do I just make him go for Leliana instead ? But how do I reconcile the fact that Surana finds Chantry & the Maker to be a load of hogwash (or he finds the whole Andraste-Maker thing to be a woman falling for a Fade spirit and nothing more) ?

 

Or do I just go forever alone with him ?

 

 

Beyond just your warden's inclination to be more of a 'paragon' vs a 'renegade' (to use Bioware terms) I think the bolded is the biggest reason you should romance Morrigan.  You could look on it as a 'rivalry' thing maybe. Something that "I can't help loving you, but you're a crazy b****" might fit.  A romanced Morrigan still has Kieran, only it's a normal Kieran, not an OGB.  You can romance her, still refuse the DR and in the end, she ends up with your love child (allowing you to go with her at the end of Witch Hunt).  I THINK.  I've never been able to successfully complete her romance (too much angst for my taste) but I don't think refusing the DR kills it.  I believe you still get the 'romanced Morrigan' ending if you don't do anything else (like actively break up with her).

 

Even refusing her the OGB, she will still leave, but you can head canon this was 'that wicked fight that was the straw on the camel's back' kind of thing.  You refuse to give her what she wants, she can't bear to watch you die against the Archdemon.  So she leaves you, brokenhearted and hating herself for being so 'weak'.  Going into Witch Hunt might be more about you have learned living without her is so much more unbearable than being with her, regardless of the tempestuousness of your feelings for her.  You can even RP that her 'reason' for asking you to do this is because she can't bear to watch you die when she knows she can prevent that.  All kinds of good RP opportunities here.

 

Any disapproval can be boosted by FeastDay gifts if you have that DLC, and she gets tons of gifts anyway, jewelry, the golden mirror etc.  Just leave her behind on those missions you know will cause a LOT of disapprovals, and those that would be deal breakers for you (like when confronting Caladrius in the Alienage or talking to Caridin in the Deep Roads).

 

For roleplay, you can imagine your actions, your nature--strong yet not backing down from kindness, heroism--seeing you succeeding, are breaking down those walls she's put up to protect herself from love and/or real intimacy--backed up by her actions in game either romanced or friended.

 

If you have any other concerns I'd recommend the Morrigan thread in the Story/Campaign section where you will find people more knowledgeable about the witch of the wilds and who may be able to help you a little better.  Link provided:

 

http://forum.bioware...-again/page-639

 

Another note: It is possible to have romanced Morrigan and still impregnate her with a normal child and have romanced Leliana, but in Witch Hunt, the romance flag must be present to go with her into the Eluvian.  I just checked on my Keep and am using a world state 'normal son with Morrigan, but ended with Leliana' Cousland warden.  So he had the child, but let him go with his mother.  Just not sure if the flags work properly to achieve this state in vanilla Origins.

 

Talk about deadbeat dads 

 

Altering my worldstate a smidge shows that you can romance Morrigan, refuse her the DR and she ends up pregnant with your child.  In the end you can go through the Eluvian with her, but can't have any other romance active.  So it doesn't break the romance by Keep standards, just not sure you can achieve it in Vanilla Origins with the nightmare of bugs and screwed up plot flags that were left in the unmodded game.  If you have Origins on the PC I'd recommend the Morrigan Restoration Patch by Terra Ex which fixes some of her broken flags/dialogues and run that just in case.

[straykat]

If I played something like the Trailer Warden, she'd be a perfect fit. It's like Natural Born Killers, DA edition.

[Secret Rare]

If you have any other concerns I'd recommend the Morrigan thread in the Story/Campaign section where you will find people more knowledgeable about the witch of the wilds and who may be able to help you a little better.  Link provided:

 

Even refusing her the OGB, she will still leave, but you can head canon this was 'that wicked fight that was the straw on the camel's back' kind of thing.  You refuse to give her what she wants, she can't bear to watch you die against the Archdemon.  So she leaves you, brokenhearted and hating herself for being so 'weak'.  Going into Witch Hunt might be more about you have learned living without her is so much more unbearable than being with her, regardless of the tempestuousness of your feelings for her.  You can even RP that her 'reason' for asking you to do this is because she can't bear to watch you die when she knows she can prevent that.  All kinds of good RP opportunities here.

 

I don't visit that section and i would never suggested it to the Op because is mostly filled with biased Morrigan mancers active there since the release of the game  from whom Morrigan is this uber perfect character.

 

 

This is all nice but ultimately untrue.

She clearly desire demise and regret for the warden LI after the refusal through her own words and no mental constructions of roleplaying will ever deny  such  words that leave no room of interpretation since they are very much explicit in their meaning.

[Secret Rare]

If I played something like the Trailer Warden, she'd be a perfect fit. It's like Natural Born Killers, DA edition.

We don't know what kind of personality that warden had,but from what i grasped it was a GW mentality so hardly fitting with the Morrigan power lust perspective.