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[vertigomez]

There's also this banter which you might want to keep in mind when romancing her as a good or moral Warden.

Alistair: So you know about him and Morrigan, right? You've heard?
Wynne: I think I know what are you talking about, yes.
Alistair: And you agree with it? You don't think that it's... dangerous?
Wynne: Dangerous for whom? Her? Or him?
Alistair: Anyone. She's maleficar... and rotten to the core. How can he even... this can't be a good idea. She can't be a good influence on him.
Wynne: I will admit that the thought did cross my mind, several times. But look at it another way... perhaps he will be a good influence on her.
Alistair: You know, you are just too understanding about stuff like this. Can't you be more judgmental? I'm trying to rant, here.
Wynne: Oh, I'm sorry. You go ahead and rant, dear, and I'll just nod my head if you like.

[Catilina]

Morrigan is not evil nor ruthless* the true sense of the word. Morrigan just a very pragmatic survivor.

 

*(sure, maybe a bit as far as she feel the need)

[German Soldier]

That dialogue isn't that good in light of the events of the well of sorrow quest,the relationship didn't change Morrigan's arrogant demeanor there in which she was more than willing to risk everything for nothing.

[German Soldier]

Morrigan is not evil nor ruthless the true sense of the word. Morrigan just a very pragmatic survivor.

Morrigan isn't pragmatic

[Catilina]

Morrigan isn't pragmatic

What is Morrigan then, what do you think?

[sylvanaerie]

 

I don't visit that section and i would never suggested it to the Op because is mostly filled with biased Morrigan mancers active there since the release of the game  from whom Morrigan is this uber perfect character.

 

 

This is all nice but ultimately untrue.

She clearly desire demise and regret for the warden LI after the refusal through her own words and no mental constructions of roleplaying will ever deny  such  words that leave no room of interpretation since they are very much explicit in their meaning.

 

As you have posted elsewhere how much you hate Morrigan, you're hardly what I'd call unbiased.  I recommend a thread where people discuss Morrigan and her character.  They don't blindly gush over her.  As you admit you don't visit that section, how can you possibly claim to know what's discussed in there?

 

I directed OP there to answer some of their questions about Morrigan, maybe get an idea of how they can roleplay a character who might romance her as more of a good guy.  As this thread has others who are interested in the character and come from all walks of life and interests I suggested OP go there to pose questions in it from people who actually enjoy the character.  OP is under no obligation to do anything at all. And I am not a Morrigan romancer but I have posted there as well, so it's not 'filled with biased Morrigan mancers who think she's this uber perfect character'.  Before tossing about insults to other board members, do some research first.  You don't want to go there, don't go there, but don't insult the intelligence of those who do.

 

What you post here is of no help at all, merely more Morrigan vitriol and viewing the character extremely one-sided, which is not what OP asked for.  OP asked for help trying to find some RP reasons why he would romance her on a good aligned warden.  Does it matter in a head canon why she leaves?  Your explanation (that she hates your guts and hopes you die) is your head canon, not everyone else's.  Certainly not mine.  And if you got the character to 'friend'--let alone 'love'--it's very evident she doesn't wish you dead, just that she's not standing around to watch you do 'something foolish'.  There's lots of room for interpretation in dialogues in this game.  Look at all the slack Loghain fans give him because of dialogue interpretation.  Origins is filled with dialogue interpretation.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

It's a lot easier than people make it out to be. My city elf is a bright and shining beacon of goodness and kindness. He has no problem romancing Morrigan. Just remember to take her out of your party when accepting quests in Lothering and Redcliffe. Put her back in when the conversation is over. Any potential losses of approval from there on are easily mitigated by conversation choices. You can even persuade her in the Circle Tower and get 0 disapproval.

The only thing that truly angered me was the choice to sacrifice all of the captured alienage elves for like 1 HP. But this isn't a big deal in terms of approval.

[German Soldier]

What is Morrigan then, what do you think?

Morrigan let her perspective be colored by her own judgments thus undermine any pretence of strategic and logical advice of her opinions..

I still remember how she suggested to the warden to go to fight Loghain at their arrival in in Lothering or her whole disapproval at Redclieffe..

[Secret Rare]

 

 

What you post here is of no help at all, merely more Morrigan vitriol and viewing the character extremely one-sided, which is not what OP asked for.  OP asked for help trying to find some RP reasons why he would romance her on a good aligned warden.  Does it matter in a head canon why she leaves?  Your explanation (that she hates your guts and hopes you die) is your head canon, not everyone else's.  Certainly not mine.  And if you got the character to 'friend'--let alone 'love'--it's very evident she doesn't wish you dead, just that she's not standing around to watch you do 'something foolish'.  There's lots of room for interpretation in dialogues in this game.  Look at all the slack Loghain fans give him because of dialogue interpretation.  Origins is filled with dialogue interpretation.

You define it as a cruel and bitter criticism based on an unfairly dealing I define it as the attitude and practice of accepting a situation as it is and being prepared to deal with it accordingly.

She acted in such a way to allow easy and accurate perception and interpretation when it comes to her demeanor which was mostly based on the utter contempt for the life of others and was havy slanted toward pure sadism

Wish for the warden regret before the final battle and we still want to believe that she leave  because she did not want to see the warden die?

It's a pathetic excuse.

The difference is that my passionate dislike is based upon mandatory events while you're care for the character only in personal interpretations of yout own headcanon.

[rosey1579]

If you're gonna do good stuff leave the witch at home. I find that a good policy to live by.

[Catilina]

If you're gonna do good stuff leave the witch at home. I find that a good policy to live by.

 

Do not necessary. I said, not evil the hag. Perhaps a little "practical".

High persuation and shiny trinkets, and the witch become a smiling little girl.

 

Good luck!

 

 

 

Anyway, seriously: Morrigan capable of empathy! Remember: Sten and Jowan! They somehow touched Morrigan's heart.

[ThomasBlaine]

I don't normally consider the good/evil thing when romancing her. She's a huge help, incredibly beautiful and susceptible to flattery. Men have pursued absolutely horrible women for those reasons alone since the dawn of time.

 

Her disapproving of you helping people doesn't mean that you can't be attracted to her and vice versa. I don't subscribe to the idea that tension helps a relationship, but if you do then that's another possibility. A lot of what she says is pure attitude, and she could be specifically attracted to men who feel confident enough to stand up to her. And aren't Ailstair. The reputation system is malleable enough that you should mechanically be able to romance her in spite of being a goody-two-shoes.

 

With Dalish Elf wardens in particular, I always start it off as them bonding over being equal strangers to Fereldan society, using each other to chase off loneliness and homesickness.

[Illegitimus]

 

Morrigan let her perspective be colored by her own judgments thus undermine any pretence of strategic and logical advice of her opinions..

I still remember how she suggested to the warden to go to fight Loghain at their arrival in in Lothering or her whole disapproval at Redclieffe..

 

 

Now, now.  Remember her advice at Lothering was a stub of what could have been an actually feasible course of action and Morrigan is a barely grown teenager raised entirely in isolation by an only semi-sane supernatural entity.  For all of her jabs at Alistair's intelligence, he actually knows way more about the world than she does.  She wants to be pragmatic but doesn't really know enough to make practical decisions.  

[Ghost Gal]

Leave her behind at camp and/or shower her with gifts. That's what I did for my friendship playthroughs.

[GoldenGail3]

Leave her behind at camp and/or shower her with gifts. That's what I did for my friendship playthroughs.

Morrigan is soooo worth it...

[ThomasBlaine]

Leave her behind at camp and/or shower her with gifts. That's what I did for my friendship playthroughs.

 

Isn't there more than enough jewelry lying around to keep her happy regardless of how much she disagrees with your decisions? Why leave her at camp?

[Catilina]

Isn't there more than enough jewelry lying around to keep her happy regardless of how much she disagrees with your decisions? Why leave her at camp?

Course not should leave the camp! She can perfectly be friendly / love also with a saint Warden. The key is some trinkets and good persuation skill.

[German Soldier]

Course not should leave the camp! She can perfectly be friendly / love also with a saint Warden. 

Only until the end of the game for those who denied the creation of the demon god spawn.

[Catilina]

Only until the end of the game for those who denied the creation of the demon god spawn.

The key: "end of the game". There is you can decide what you want. You stay saint, or stay alive.  

 

(Old Gods are not Archdemons. Archdemons are corrupted Old Gods, if i know correctly.)

[GoldenGail3]

The key: "end of the game". There is you can decide what you want. You stay saint, or stay alive.  
 
(Old Gods are not Archdemons. Archdemons are corrupted Old Gods, if i know correctly.)

Or you could kill Alistair or Loghian by feeding them to the Archdemon, that is...

[Catilina]

Or you could kill Alistair or Loghian by feeding them to the Archdemon, that is...

Yes, but in this way results still: Morrigan being angry and go away. The basic question was Morrigan's love.

 

(And: a saint/good warden not sacrifice his comrade instead her/himself... even if he is a filthy, corrupt traitor.)

[German Soldier]

 

(Old Gods are not Archdemons. Archdemons are corrupted Old Gods, if i know correctly.)

yes but i made a topic that hinted that the old gods   may be tyrannical in nature since they are the only critters that become evil when tainted, everyone else just become sick.

[Catilina]

yes but i made a topic that hinted that the old gods   may be tyrannical in nature since they are the only critters that become evil when tainted, everyone else just become sick.

...and may be not  

 

Of course, basically you're right: the great power is often accompanied of tyranny and a powerful tyrant and can be quite dangerous.

[mrs_anomaly]

I don't even know how any clean cut male warden with a goody two shoe streak is going to get friendzoned by Morrigan TBH. I only played as a female Wardens but Morrigan was my BESTIE despite me carrying on with Alistair and Zevran in the hay and me being an absolute Mary Sue to her disgust. I still managed to win her over- sure I certainly spent a bit of gold on a few gaudy gifts for her magpie sensibilities but all one has to know is that she just wants you to listen to her pov occasionally like any good friend. It's easy. 

[Illegitimus]

yes but i made a topic that hinted that the old gods   may be tyrannical in nature since they are the only critters that become evil when tainted, everyone else just become sick.

 

So you made a topic based on a false premise?  Becoming sick with the taint is what happens before you become a ghoul.  The "Archdemons" are basically super-ghouls.