Ah so Morrigan was obligated to tell you her long term objective so that you would be more able to draw a false conclusion about what she was up to right now?
Morrigan isn't obligated to do anything but she deceived the warden to further her own agenda and get rid of FlemethShe joined the group under false premises and she lied by omission to the warden about her whole involvement with Flemeth used the warden for her dirty work.
Politely asked the Warden to do her dirty work, yes, slaying an insane and murderous child-abusive-and-possessing demon who had escaped justice for centuries. Not quite so bad.
-Morrigan doesn't speak nonsense?
-Morrigan doesn't treat children like toys?
Nope. Morrigan speaks clearly and concisely, and loves her son. While she might have fudged things a little to make sure he was born with a very powerful and unique soul, she doesn't appear to be mistreating or exploiting him in the slightest, radically unlike the way Flemeth treated her.
It's funny, I've never seen a post with a condescending picture or gif included that actually had any thought behind its argument. It's like you're so excited about having figured out a way to pretend to have quickly turned the discussion around that you forget to actually make a valid point.
Morrigan isn't obligated to do anything but she deceived the warden to further her own agenda and get rid of Flemeth
No, she didn't. Everything she said about why she was asking the Warden to kill Flemeth's body was something she actually believed. And if she isn't obligated to do anything, then what about it offends you?
No, she didn't. Everything she said about why she was asking the Warden to kill Flemeth's body was something she actually believed. And if she isn't obligated to do anything, then what about it offends you?
Politely asked the Warden to do her dirty work, yes, slaying an insane and murderous child-abusive-and-possessing demon who had escaped justice for centuries. Not quite so bad.
Nope. Morrigan speaks clearly and concisely, and loves her son. While she might have fudged things a little to make sure he was born with a very powerful and unique soul, she doesn't appear to be mistreating or exploiting him in the slightest, radically unlike the way Flemeth treated her.
It's funny, I've never seen a post with a condescending picture or gif included that actually had any thought behind its argument. It's like you're so excited about having figured out a way to pretend to have quickly turned the discussion around that you forget to actually make a valid point.
That's a pretty loaded statement. What Templars do isn't "justice". Or at least, it's only justice from one perspective. If you ask me, wandering into swamps hunting apostates is just plain stupid. Even if you did want to hunt apostates, there are better ones to go after. A swamp is away from civilization.
I don't know how abusive she was though. You're taking Morrigan's word completely. What exactly does Flemeth show herself to us? She does nothing like this, and if anything, complains that Morrigan is the cruel one. lol. Hell, Flemeth even shows some pity when Wesley dies. Let alone saves our characters. What exactly do you have from first hand experience that says that she's some insane demon?
But I have plenty of first hand experience of Morrigan acting cruelly. Not hearsay or rumors, but right in my face.
That's a pretty loaded statement. What Templars do isn't "justice". Or at least, it's only justice from one perspective. If you ask me, wandering into swamps hunting apostates is just plain stupid. Even if you did want to hunt apostates, there are better ones to go after. A swamp is away from civilization.
I don't know how abusive she was though. You're taking Morrigan's word completely. What exactly does Flemeth show herself to us? She does nothing like this, and if anything, complains that Morrigan is the cruel one. lol. Hell, Flemeth even shows some pity when Wesley dies. Let alone saves our characters. What exactly do you have from first hand experience that says that she's some insane demon?
But I have plenty of first hand experience of Morrigan acting cruelly. Not hearsay or rumors, but right in my face.
How is it not? A "friendship" in which one side is honest and the other lies to them, uses them is nothing but a grotesque mockery of the term. Morrigan may think she's being sincere, but that completely ignores the other half of the equation: her "friend" and the fact that their opinion of and feelings towards her are based on deceit from start to finish -- t
<snort> Deceit? Did Morrigan pretend to be innocent, or nice, or to be there out of a pure desire to save the world with no other motives? No. My relationship with Leliana involved more deceit than my relationship with Morrigan. My Warden, not being an idiot, always knew that there was something Morrigan was holding back.
While not nearly as talkative as Morrigan, I personally feel Flemeth has been far more honest in what she has said then Morrigan has ever come close to being.I don't know why other then I have never felt Flemeth to be misleading or even truly manipulative.
Well, she wasn't. Flemeth was hugely manipulative and misleading, and there was no manipulation that Morrigan carried out that she did not do at Flemeth's behest, whether Morrigan knew it or not.
Well, she wasn't. Flemeth was hugely manipulative and misleading, and there was no manipulation that Morrigan carried out that she did not do at Flemeth's behest, whether Morrigan knew it or not.
Again, you take Morrigan completely at her word too, like Thomas. Why does this happen with Morrigan? This wouldn't fly in any other argument, where you just took one person's story all the time.
@ThomasBlaineEvery time Morrigan comes across something she doesn't approve of she criticizes the people and society of the world around her unflinchinglyIs this your idea of "speak clearly" ?That's more a form of whining.
Apparently you need a dictionary then. How exactly is criticizing society nonsense just because you don't like her tone? That is nonsense. And speaking in riddles and yammering about "one being a fool whether one opens one's eyes wide or shuts them" is practically the definition of inane rambling. "This blight is far more dangerous than they realize!" "What do you mean?" "Lol don't trouble yourself. Btw, what do you believe? Huh? I mean, what do you really believe??" That's not honesty, that's self-important crypticism used to tease and confuse others for no reason whatsoever. And very much nonsense. As is her being excused for anything simply because you never "felt" her being dishonest and consider her a force of nature.
That's a pretty loaded statement. What Templars do isn't "justice". Or at least, it's only justice from one perspective. If you ask me, wandering into swamps hunting apostates is just plain stupid. Even if you did want to hunt apostates, there are better ones to go after. A swamp is away from civilization.
I don't know how abusive she was though. You're taking Morrigan's word completely. What exactly does Flemeth show herself to us? She does nothing like this, and if anything, complains that Morrigan is the cruel one. lol. Hell, Flemeth even shows some pity when Wesley dies. Let alone saves our characters. What exactly do you have from first hand experience that says that she's some insane demon?
But I have plenty of first hand experience of Morrigan acting cruelly. Not hearsay or rumors, but right in my face.
I wasn't talking about the templars so much as her simply never having been put down in all the years she's been kidnapping, abusing and stealing little girls' bodies.
Again, a first-hand account isn't considered hearsay, especially not from her adult "child", Morrigan's behaviour in Inquisition makes it clear that she believes every word she's said about Flemeth, and the Warden has personally witnessed the old hag being, at the very least, insane. And what exactly have you seen Morrigan do that is so cruel?
<snort> Deceit? Did Morrigan pretend to be innocent, or nice, or to be there out of a pure desire to save the world with no other motives? No. My relationship with Leliana involved more deceit than my relationship with Morrigan. My Warden, not being an idiot, always knew that there was something Morrigan was holding back.
Again, you take Morrigan completely at her word too, like Thomas. Why does this happen with Morrigan? This wouldn't fly in any other argument, where you just took one person's story all the time.
It's called bias of the Morrigan fans.
@ThomasBlaine
You are keep repeating like a parrot "kidnapping, abusing and stealing little girls' bodies" and still don't have a shred of a proof.
give me the proof,give me the proof or stop to talk nonsense.
Again, you take Morrigan completely at her word too, like Thomas.
I don't have to. I have confirmation of what Morrigan has to say, mostly from Flemeth herself. Morrigan is Flemeth's carefully crafted tool and Flemeth intended or anticipated virtually everything she does, Flemeth (Mythal) does transfer into her daughter's bodies. Flemeth is not the relatively harmless wacky old bat in peasants clothing that she pretends to be at the start, and the the ultimate result of her scheme is to take the Old God's soul…just as planned. Flemeth's welcome home gift for Morrigan is a new set of mage's robes that would boost Morrigan's magic while draining her will to make her a more suitable host according to the narrative description.
It's called bias of the Morrigan fans.
@ThomasBlaine
You are keep repeating like a parrot "kidnapping, abusing and stealing little girls' bodies" and still don't have a shred of a proof.
give me the proof,give me the proof or stop to talk nonsense.
I don't have to give you anything. So far as I'm aware Flemeth isn't currently being prosecuted in a civil court, you aren't her lawyer and I'm not a private detective on your payroll. The question of whether or not your Warden should take Morrigan's accusation seriously isn't my problem. Mine generally do, because it's entirely believable.
Also, what Illegitimus said.
You know, it's surprisingly hurtful and pretty offensive when you refer to people as "---- fans" and talk like they're inherently crazy and delusional just because they don't agree with you about this character or that. Appears to be some tribal instinct to rally your own people against potential rival clans by demeaning them off-hand to your friends, hoping that they'll stick up for you in case the enemy really does come.
A rather ******-up tendency in civilized conversation, to be honest.
From the Thread dedicated to them they came across as pure perfection.
Threads dedicated to Companions-npc tend to become an echo chamber with a reverberation that spread for hundreds and hundreds of pages.
Threads dedicated to Companions-npc tend to become an echo chamber with a reverberation that spread for hundreds and hundreds of pages.
That's why I ignore the Morrigan thread because is full of one sided swishy washy romance candies that praise the witch to no end with no one who ever said a critique since 2010 (first pages of that topic) when that thread was not yet an hyperbolic chamber.I'm also not enabled to comment so i don't waste my time there.
That's hilarious. Is it any wonder that those threads turn into fan-fests when the people with critique think it's beneath their dignity to post there?
That's hilarious. Is it any wonder that those threads turn into fan-fests when the people with critique think it's beneath their dignity to post there?
Is not that is beyond "our" dignity to post it just happen that people who didn't have an old account are not enabled to comment for some reason.
Is not that is beyond "our" dignity to post it just happen that people who didn't have an old account are not enabled to comment for some reason.
Same problem here.
I don't have to give you anything. So far as I'm aware Flemeth isn't currently being prosecuted in a civil court, you aren't her lawyer and I'm not a private detective on your payroll. The
I don't have to give you anything. So far as I'm aware Flemeth isn't currently being prosecuted in a civil court, you aren't her lawyer and I'm not a private detective on your payroll. The question of whether or not your Warden should take Morrigan's accusation seriously isn't my problem. Mine generally do, because it's entirely believable.
Also, what Illegitimus said.
You know, it's surprisingly hurtful and pretty offensive when you refer to people as "---- fans" and talk like they're inherently crazy and delusional just because they don't agree with you about this character or that. Appears to be some tribal instinct to rally your own people against potential rival clans by demeaning them off-hand to your friends, hoping that they'll stick up for you in case the enemy really does come.
A rather ******-up tendency in civilized conversation, to be honest.
Cause that's not going to be hurtful or offensive? 
Cause that's not going to be hurtful or offensive?
Cause that's not going to be hurtful or offensive?
How so?
Being offended because i asked some proofs that Flemeth put children in her supper or that she possess girls is something i don't understand.Oh look! she didn't possessed Morrigan even after she drink from the well even if she ordered her death in DAO how evil.....
That must be because you completely missed the point. How evil Flemeth actually is and what her motives actually are doesn't matter to the Warden's decision or Morrigan's morality, all that matters is how evil Morrigan and the Warden believe her to be. But if you absolutely need objective proof and can't seperate player knowledge and character knowledge then the Robes of Possession found in Flemeth's hut are pretty compelling evidence, as I believe was stated in an earlier post.
And regardless of that, Flemeth having other plans for Morrigan in particular doesn't help all the girls she used through the ages up to this point, and so certainly isn't proof, or even implies, that she isn't evil. Again, as has been stated in an earlier post.
What is offensive is your dismissal of "Morrigan fans" as delusional just because they don't agree with you. Again, as stated earlier. Pretending to be offended at me calling you out on that would be the height of hypocrisy, and impossible to argue for in any case, so I wouldn't advise it.
it just happen that people who didn't have an old account are not enabled to comment for some reason.
You guys being locked out of forums due to some weird lack of seniority is ridiculous. Have you alerted the staff?
How so?
Passive rage hurts just as much as actual physical rage... we have "freedom of speech" in various contexts but words can cause mental and/or physical damage as well.
I imagine we'll get around to that notion as societies..... someday.
How so?
That must be because you completely missed the point. How evil Flemeth actually is and what her motives actually are doesn't matter to the Warden's decision or Morrigan's morality, all that matters is how evil Morrigan and the Warden believe her to be.
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