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[Lady Artifice]

I just replayed the Leliana mission (Faith, I think?) with Anders and Sebastian in the party. Ominous comments, lol. Sebastian first dismissed the rebellion as a "handful of apostates" in front of Leli but after she left he said they were out of control. Make up your mind brah! And then there was this,

Leliana: If [Kirkwall] falls to magic, none of us are safe.
Anders: (closeup shot) None of you.

Aw snap.

 

I thought he might have been trying to downplay the threat in front of Leliana, so she's less likely to feel in a exalted marching mood.

 

Not that a tactic likes that really gels with some of the aggressive lines he chooses. But hey, Anders is a little bit crazy.

[Catilina]

I thought he might have been trying to downplay the threat in front of Leliana, so she's less likely to feel in a exalted marching mood.

 

Not that a tactic likes that really gels with some of the aggressive lines he chooses. But hey, Anders is a little bit crazy.

 

Is not my intention to defend Anders, but which revolutioner not "crazy a little bit"?

[vertigomez]

I think BW failed to give a more emotional impact to Anders actions or a sense of destruction to the whole situation. We never see civilians being harmed by collateral damage of the explosion, only a quick glance of buildings being set on fire. All the destruction we see is of the Chantry going kaboom, and if someone hates the chantry for the stuff that they do, then why would they care if a bunch of templars and priests are vaporized?

I sort of agree. I mean, for me, blowing up the people inside the Chantry was awful. But at the same time, how can I be angry at Anders for bombing a church and starting a war, or Sebastian hauling his army back to raze the city to the ground, when I happily spared Isabela whose actions led to the Qunari setting everything on fire? You can bet your butt scores of lives were lost in every instance. CONUNDRUM.
 

I spared Anders. I did not cared about justice for Elthina. She was weak and incompetent, and her death was a result of her failure to do her job and control Meredith. The only ones that I suppose deserve justice are the civilians that aparently were killed by the flying debris. But like I said before, BW didn't bother to show that kind of impact resulted from Anders actions. And I was ultimately indifferent about the whole affair. I wouldn't pat Anders on the head for what he did, but I also wouldn't get angry about the people he killed. When it came to his fate, I stayed neutral, and told Anders to **** off. Sebastian temper tautrum did nothing but bother me. He was being Alistair 2.0, and I have no patience for crybabies.

Elthina's a grey area, I suppose, but I feel bad for the clergy and the random civilians who were no doubt in there just minding their own business, paying their respects to Andraste...

I thought he might have been trying to downplay the threat in front of Leliana, so she's less likely to feel in a exalted marching mood.
 
Not that a tactic likes that really gels with some of the aggressive lines he chooses. But hey, Anders is a little bit crazy.

They make me a little bit crazy.

[HuldraDancer]

Nothing helpful at all to say I just really wish there would of been an option to tell Seb if he wanted Anders dead so badly to do it himself. 

 

I usually spare Anders myself cause healer, and between a DLC companion and one in the main game I'm more okay with loosing the DLC one (not that I like loosing companions at all. I must hoard them and keep them all locked away )

 

Though I have killed him a few times since I also usually go templars and he made it sound pretty clear he was going to off himself anyway or if I have a rare Seb romance.

 

Wow started a ramble there I am so sorry^^;

[RoseLawliet]

I think BW failed to give a more emotional impact to Anders actions or a sense of destruction to the whole situation. We never see civilians being harmed by collateral damage of the explosion, only a quick glance of buildings being set on fire. All the destruction we see is of the Chantry going kaboom, and if someone hates the chantry for the stuff that they do, then why would they care if a bunch of templars and priests are vaporized?

 

I always take issue with the idea that the chantry explosion was super destructive. People like to remind everyone that we're experiencing a narrative told by an unreliable narrator when this happens, but that only proves my point.

 

We know as of DAI that Varric really doesn't like Anders or what he did. We know Varric is Andrastian. We know he lies when he tells Cassandra things if he thinks it will help people he cares about. It makes no sense, then, that Varric would have lied about the magnitude of the destruction by understatement. The story as he told it consistently showed the chantry being virtually empty, even the cutscene where it is destroyed. If anything, Varric has every reason to overstate how terrible and destructive the blast was... yet he doesn't. The scene we see has the chantry break up into blocks, rise into the air, and then scatter to the horizon. It did not go boom and fall on the city. Yet that is exactly what World of Thedas 2 and Varric's dialogue about getting the harbor working again want us to believe.

 

And I'm well aware that an empty chantry and neat explosion are budget and resource issues. However, this is what we were given in-game.

[Iakus]

I just replayed the Leliana mission (Faith, I think?) with Anders and Sebastian in the party. Ominous comments, lol. Sebastian first dismissed the rebellion as a "handful of apostates" in front of Leli but after she left he said they were out of control. Make up your mind brah! And then there was this,

Leliana: If [Kirkwall] falls to magic, none of us are safe.
Anders: (closeup shot) None of you.

Aw snap.

Or Anders explaining the "potion" he wants to make

 

I just need to mix the ingredients together and... boom.  Justice and I will be free.

 

Iseewhatyoudidthere 

[Iakus]

I sort of agree. I mean, for me, blowing up the people inside the Chantry was awful. But at the same time, how can I be angry at Anders for bombing a church and starting a war, or Sebastian hauling his army back to raze the city to the ground, when I happily spared Isabela whose actions led to the Qunari setting everything on fire? You can bet your butt scores of lives were lost in every instance. CONUNDRUM.
 

Well, in Isabela's case she wasn't directly responsible for the Qunari attack.  I mean, yeah she stole their artifact, but for years they were content to just sit around and wait for it to drop into their laps.  It's not her fault the Arishok went Cuckoo for Cocoa-Puffs in the meantime, nor could she have predicted that it was a possibility.

 

besides which, with enough friendship/rivalry, she does sorta own up to it and come back.  

 

Anders, otoh, set out to start a war.  To remove any possibility of peace between the mages and Templars.  Blood and fire is what he wanted

[Hiemoth]

Or Anders explaining the "potion" he wants to make

 

I just need to mix the ingredients together and... boom.  Justice and I will be free.

 

Iseewhatyoudidthere 

 

I just hit that point a couple of days ago in my replay of the game.

 

Not completely related to the question, but I do find the Anders arc absolutely fascinating even if they had to rush it a bit at the end. Once you know his final action and destination, so many of his discussions and banter just take a completely different tone. I know there are a lot of people who love the Solas reveal, and there are great points of foreshadowing with him once you know the twist, but for me Anders is the high mark how to really hid that undertone in discussions.