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[Tidus]

IMHO Leliana doesn't need hardening in DA:O she's already stone cold while being nice. At camp she regretts not killing Majolaine.  Then there's that cry "I tried to  be merciful" while she's killing people. She makes a fierce rogue that deals out damage when properly equipped..

[Dai Grepher]

Leliana is incompetent in Inquisition. Liked her in Origins, but not in Inquisition. I would have preferred she be romancible in Inquisition however for one of my alternate characters.

[greenbrownblue]

 

 

I don't know what to think of her i do not really trust her either. There is something about her that gives me the creeps. And when you romance Josephine she becomes even dangerous not in so many words but there is something behind those words that creeps me out it's not that i don't like her there is just something. it's just difficult to explain 

 

Any thoughts on Leliana ?  

 

Watch Lady Insanity's "Bound to the titan song" vid. Really awesome theory.

[wright1978]

IMHO Leliana doesn't need hardening in DA:O she's already stone cold while being nice. At camp she regretts not killing Majolaine.  Then there's that cry "I tried to  be merciful" while she's killing people. She makes a fierce rogue that deals out damage when properly equipped..

 

Personally i think she very much needs hardening in Dragon Age Origins.

I think regretting not killing Marjolaine is just her natural hard tendencies poking their way through the saccarine shell.

[Dabrikishaw]

Leliana is one of my favorite Origins party members, and I didn't have a problem with her being in Inquisition itself. My sole issue with her is the role she got to play in the story despite being killable in Origins.

[Dai Grepher]

^But that problem was started in DA2, really.

[TheKomandorShepard]

She is poorly writen character (mary sue) and writers pet, writers favoritism is very visible here and hurts series.

[Ferretinabun]

I liked her a lot in DA:O for many reasons. She had a genuine crisis over her religious convictions. And over the fact that she likes being a bard (read spy-assassin). In a game of deep, complicated and conflicted characters she held her own nicely as the bad-girl-turned-pious-warrior.

 

But making characters return in sequels is always problematic, particularly if they've previously followed branching character arcs. By and large I don't really mind what they did with Leliana (Left-Hand of the Divine, spymaster extraordinaire and potentially the New Divine) but she's never been as interesting for me as she was in Origins. If you want to understand her, play that.

[SonnyKohler]

I like her.  She's "resourceful".

[jlb524]

Leliana = fave

[Ferretinabun]

She is poorly writen character (mary sue) and writers pet, writers favoritism is very visible here and hurts series.

 

I've got to jump in here. Writer's Pet, maybe - they DO keep dragging her in to fill roles she's barely suited to to keep her in the limelight (I believe Leliana and ME's Liara have the same agent...) but a poorly-written Mary Sue? No. She's a very well-rounded character. The games take many opportunities to pull her up on her faults and failings (the Guardian of the Ashes pulling her up on her religious arrogance, Marjolaine reminding her how much she loves to kill, Alistair pointing out that her piety makes her seem just so... sad) and don't punish you for taking her down a darker character arc - in Origins or Inquisition. Indeed, many players seem to prefer it.

[Barquiel]

She's my favorite DA character (...and I could listen to Corinne Kempa read the dictionary).

[Heimdall]

Leliana was my Warden's canon romance in DAO, I always liked her. I've always had trouble trusting her though.

Glad to get that result of her and the Warden spending time together in a seaside villa however.

[Steelcan]

I'm not particularly fond of her, I feel like she was brought back for Inquisition more because she's popular and the writers like her than because it makes a great deal of sense.

That said she's not as egregious as their other pets

[Voidinist]

She's only allowed to fail when it's plot convenient and even then it's easily glossed over for...reasons. She easily and flawlessly molds into whatever role Bioware gives her and then we're fed that she is the absolute greatest at it. I preferred her in Origins when she was just a nobody. Although even then her special quirk was that she believed the Maker spoke to her directly and I find that pretty obnoxious too.

 

Now I'm being presented by the fandom and possibly by Bioware with a tyrant Divine no matter whether she's steeled or softened as the "best" Divine, who Cassandra has no problems with, but Vivienne is apparently the dictator. k, Bio', w/e.

[vertigomez]

I only really started liking Leliana in DAI, and even then it's more of an understanding of her character (and appreciation of her badassness) than a favorable attitude. I get that she's supposed to be this dichotomous character, but she vacillates so wildly between these two extremes - a woman with a dark past seeking redemption in her faith versus someone who enjoys playing people and is willing to get her hands dirty.

Which is weird because Bull's similarly torn between two worlds and I like him a lot, but I think it feels different because, ultimately, he chooses. Meanwhile Leliana seems to go back and forth several times over the course of three games, a DLC, and a book... and I can't get inside her head and it drives me crazy. That's probably the point.

She's a good character, though. I'll just probably never understand her motivations completely, lol.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I've got to jump in here. Writer's Pet, maybe - they DO keep dragging her in to fill roles she's barely suited to to keep her in the limelight (I believe Leliana and ME's Liara have the same agent...) but a poorly-written Mary Sue? No. She's a very well-rounded character. The games take many opportunities to pull her up on her faults and failings (the Guardian of the Ashes pulling her up on her religious arrogance, Marjolaine reminding her how much she loves to kill, Alistair pointing out that her piety makes her seem just so... sad) and don't punish you for taking her down a darker character arc - in Origins or Inquisition. Indeed, many players seem to prefer it.

Pls, game doesn't even allow you to call her on her failings and in rare occasions it does she is immediately excused by another character that will claim that she did nothing wrong, hell writers even tried to sell The warden that killed her as bad person because warden killed her despite she was one who tried to kill warden.That is only tiny part of on why Leliana is terrible mary sue. 

 

That said im talking here about her character after first game where clear writers favoritism resulted in nasty mary sue.

[thats1evildude]

I dipped my toes in DAO not long ago and I found I genuinely missed the cheerful Leliana who always wanted to help people. I'm not that crazy about DAI's Leliana, who challenges my orders and is generally a sourpuss. Ruthlessness is sometimes necessary, but not always.

 

I kept her softened in both games. I also kept her off the Divine's throne, because while I agree with her most of the time, I don't believe in dissolving the Circles or opening the Chantry's arms to the Qunari, who will exploit it as a weakness.

[roselavellan]

Wright1978, She looked innocent.. There's a big difference between looking innocent and being innocent. Leliana is stone cold and highly religious all wrap up in one package.

 

Yeah, in DAO she was innocent and crazy at the same time. That she couldn't reconcile who she was with what she wanted made her extremely creepy to me. (Not to mention how grating her girly demeanour was to me). I preferred her in DAI because at least there she has come to terms with who she is - and I liked the softening process because it resolves for her what I think she had always wanted from the start: the ability to manipulate and sometimes even get her hands dirty doing so, whilst being guided by some sort of morality.

 

So yes, she's a little creepy but I find her more interesting that way... though, at the end of the day, for me there were other more compelling characters in DAI so I tend not to think about her a lot.

[Dai Grepher]

I don't think she's a Mary-Sue at all. She's highly flawed, and dark at times, especially in Inquisition. I also don't agree that she only fails when convenient. She failed plenty of times in Inquisition where it was inconvenient to the player. Maybe her failures were to move the plot forward (In Hushed Whispers), or to maintain a plot (Thom Rainier), but even if this were the case, her failures are still a huge negative against the player.

[Abyss108]

I don't like her.

 

Mainly because of the future scene where your allies die, she hogs the entire scene, taking all the attention away from the characters that I actually cared about dying. Why does the character I ignored for the past several games get the epic death scene whilst the two interesting ones I don't want to die get unceremoniously killed off camera? Ruined the scene for me.

 

Same as in Mass Effect, where at the end you are always thinking about Liara no matter how you acted towards her or anyone else.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I don't think she's a Mary-Sue at all. She's highly flawed, and dark at times, especially in Inquisition. I also don't agree that she only fails when convenient. She failed plenty of times in Inquisition where it was inconvenient to the player. Maybe her failures were to move the plot forward (In Hushed Whispers), or to maintain a plot (Thom Rainier), but even if this were the case, her failures are still a huge negative against the player.

 

Her flaws and failures are ignored in story and in rare case they aren't she is immediately excused by another character, while pretty much any character outside Viviene (and then even Viviene does) praises her to heavens almost every time they mention her. Her failures and flaws are overlooked by story and characters and in the end have to be concluded solely by the player, while pretty much characters and story put extreme emphasis on her positive qualities even to completely unrealistic and ridiculous degree.

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[sylvanaerie]

I didn't like her much in Origins at first. What was it Alistair called her 'Princess stabbity'? The Woman was far too obsessed with shoes and pretty colours for my liking. But she slowly grew on me. And now in Inquistion, I think she's one of the best characters in the series to be honest......since no other character seems to have grown as much as she has since her Origin days.

Loghain has also experienced some really good character growth in the past 'decade' since the Blight.  I prefer his cameo to Alistair's or Stroud's. 
 

And this coming from a person who hated him in Origins.  Hated.

 

I agree, though, I like the changes that Leliana has undergone which reflect the life she's been living the past ten years since her days with the Warden.  And I too, prefer 'princess stabbity Divine' to the nicer version.

 

Also, IMO Cullen has become a more interesting and relatable character.  Mommy Morrigan as well has my favorite scene in all three games with Flemeth and her son in the Fade.  Though I am the most impressed with Loghain because the other three are potentially romanceable while Loghain's  character growth is all his 'own' doing.  Though I suppose it can be argued he reached that point in part to the Warden who trusted him enough to recruit him and allow him to make amends for what he did wrong in Origins.

[KaiserShep]

Leliana was a bit too sugary in Origins, even when hardened. I was glad to see that she was a bit more aggressive in Inquisition. The Warden would be proud of her Murder Pope.

[Arshei]

Worst spy master evah