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[Dai Grepher]

Her flaws and failures are ignored in story and in rare case they aren't she is immediately excused by another character, while pretty much any character outside Viviene (and then even Viviene does) praises her to heavens almost every time they mention her. Her failures and flaws are overlooked by story and characters and in the end have to be concluded solely by the player, while pretty much characters and story put extreme emphasis on her positive qualities even to completely unrealistic and ridiculous degree.

Still don't agree. The Inquisitor can say that Leliana failed him again when looking over the document about Thom Rainier. Cullen states Leliana has a blind spot when it comes to Wardens, but that isn't exactly an excuse, just an explanation as to why she failed to notice. But Cullen doesn't know the fact that Leliana knew he wasn't the real Blackwall. That's where she failed, in not informing the Inquisitor of the imposter.

You can respond angrily to her and Cullen for suggesting you let Celene die.

I think there's also an option in Trespasser to get mad over spies infiltrating the Inquisition.

She also admits she failed Justinia.

[thats1evildude]

More that Justinia failed her.

[Dai Grepher]

Yes, she "failed her too". But that was in response to Leliana admitting that she failed Justinia.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Still don't agree. The Inquisitor can say that Leliana failed him again when looking over the document about Thom Rainier. Cullen states Leliana has a blind spot when it comes to Wardens, but that isn't exactly an excuse, just an explanation as to why she failed to notice. But Cullen doesn't know the fact that Leliana knew he wasn't the real Blackwall. That's where she failed, in not informing the Inquisitor of the imposter.

You can respond angrily to her and Cullen for suggesting you let Celene die.

I think there's also an option in Trespasser to get mad over spies infiltrating the Inquisition.

She also admits she failed Justinia.

 

LoL, if you read what i have said you would know i have addressed that.You can try to blame her for screwing up but Cullen quickly jumps in her defense making excuses (very bad ones) that it is not her fault and you are't allowed to say anything on that.Finding out that he wasn't Blackwall woudln't be very hard, but once again game and characters try to justify her failure and claim it was not her failure. 

 

Oh wow, you can say you don't want to kill Celene and?  

 

I don't recall it but i doubt that you can call out Leliana for her failure.

 

LoL , this line was more fishing for pity for Leliana than story trying put blame on her.In fact game tries to portray her as victim of Justinia actions.

[Nefla]

I don't like her because she's an overused writer's pet just like Liara from Mass Effect and Lana from SWtOR. 

[thats1evildude]

Yes, she "failed her too". But that was in response to Leliana admitting that she failed Justinia.

No, that is Leliana being grief-stricken. There is nothing Leliana could have done to stop Corypheus even if she had been at the Conclave. But the Divine "failed" her friend by turning her into a hardened assassin.

I'm not debating this any further with you, since you don't listen to evidence anyway.

[Aren]

I only really started liking Leliana in DAI, and even then it's more of an understanding of her character (and appreciation of her badassness) than a favorable attitude. I get that she's supposed to be this dichotomous character, but she vacillates so wildly between these two extremes - a woman with a dark past seeking redemption in her faith versus someone who enjoys playing people and is willing to get her hands dirty.
 

She is of the gemini sign,she has two faces.

[Steelcan]

But Gemini isn't two faced, its twins...

Janus is the two faced God and he's not relevant to her at all.

[Aren]

But Gemini isn't two faced, its twins...
Janus is the two faced God and he's not relevant to her at all.

Oh pardon me it is the gemini of an anime which are two twins with a double personality not the original gemini which is just about twins.

[vertigomez]

She's a Sagittarius.

Because of the bow.

[Dai Grepher]

LoL, if you read what i have said you would know i have addressed that.You can try to blame her for screwing up but Cullen quickly jumps in her defense making excuses (very bad ones) that it is not her fault and you are't allowed to say anything on that.

Maybe I'm not remembering it correctly, but I thought he only offers an explanation as to why she failed, citing her blind spot for Wardens.

Oh wow, you can say you don't want to kill Celene and?

It's how it's said. It sounds like a rebuke.

I don't recall it but i doubt that you can call out Leliana for her failure.

You can't chastise her specifically, but you can draw the comparison to the Inquisition to corruption in the mages or templars, whoever you sided with.

LoL , this line was more fishing for pity for Leliana than story trying put blame on her.In fact game tries to portray her as victim of Justinia actions.

It tries, sure.

But I now remember that you can tell her to find a better way back in Haven when she wants to kill that guy.

No, that is Leliana being grief-stricken. There is nothing Leliana could have done to stop Corypheus even if she had been at the Conclave. But the Divine "failed" her friend by turning her into a hardened assassin.

I'm not debating this any further with you, since you don't listen to evidence anyway.

What gives you that idea? I accept evidence. The spirit imitating Justinia said to tell Leliana she's sorry, she failed her too. Either she knew that Leliana apologized for failing Justinia in some way, perhaps not even because of the conclave, or she was saying that she failed someone else and Leliana as well. The latter wouldn't really make sense. If she failed multiple people then it would have been phrased in such a way like, "I failed everyone" or "I failed [person], and I failed you too". The "I failed you too" seems to be in direct reply to Leliana believing that she failed Justinia in some way.

It seems the spirit agreed that Leliana failed Justinia by saying "too". Otherwise, why not just say, "You didn't fail me, I failed you."?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Maybe I'm not remembering it correctly, but I thought he only offers an explanation as to why she failed, citing her blind spot for Wardens.


It's how it's said. It sounds like a rebuke.


You can't chastise her specifically, but you can draw the comparison to the Inquisition to corruption in the mages or templars, whoever you sided with.


It tries, sure.

But I now remember that you can tell her to find a better way back in Haven when she wants to kill that guy.

 

No , he badly excused her and tried to sell point it wasn't her fault and she couldn't do aything about it.

 

There is nothing about how it is said, if you pick angry response Inquistor pretty much says in mildy-angry tone that he won't Celene die, it seems you are fishing for examples on how you can confront Leliana and call her out on her failures/flaws despite you can't in majority of cases and in those you can she is excused.

 

As above which has nothing to do with story acknowledging or character calling Leliana on her flaws and failures.

[Patricia08]

Leliana is incompetent in Inquisition. Liked her in Origins, but not in Inquisition. I would have preferred she be romancible in Inquisition however for one of my alternate characters.

 

Why is she so incompetent in Inquisition ?

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Leliana is my favourite character of DA because she is crazy,completely crazy

 

Why is she so incompetent in Inquisition ?

she isn't Komandor and Dai Grepher are just jelous becuase she is not their LI

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I didn't like her that much back when I first played Origins, but I find her far more interesting Inquisition. Probably because she's creepy. She's also my favourite Divine, but only when steeled. (I, for one, welcome our new Murder Pope.)

 

I wish she could replace the one we have IRL!

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Komandor and Dai Grepher are just jealous because she is not their LI

 

Word. Leliana is a natural redhead, speaks in a cute French accent, is liberal minded, is pro-freedom, has some Sherlock-esque skills, will have a threesome with you in Origins (or foursome), has lots of Nugs and is quite lithe.

 

Komandor and Dai Grepher probably chose Morrigan as their LI, who is a b*tch that got herself enslaved to her mommy goddess because of her lack of wisdom.

 

So yeah, they be jelly.

[Dai Grepher]

Anora > Leliana, and Leliana can even admit it.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Word. Leliana is a natural redhead, speaks in a cute French accent, is liberal minded, is pro-freedom, has some Sherlock-esque skills, will have a threesome with you in Origins (or foursome), has lots of Nugs and is quite lithe.

 

Komandor and Dai Grepher probably chose Morrigan as their LI, who is a b*tch that got herself enslaved to her mommy goddess because of her lack of wisdom.

 

So yeah, they be jelly.

That rotten mother killer who ended up being a slave.... foolish girl

even if i'm pretty sure Dai Grepher only cared about Anora to gain the crown and didn't cared about the rest..

[Dai Grepher]

"She's very beautiful" - Leliana about Anora.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

You can have a relationship with both Anora and Leliana, if you hardened her. Besides, Leliana likes women so that's not a problem.

[Dai Grepher]

It would be for Anora, who does not like women... and... doesn't like most men either.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Word. Leliana is a natural redhead, speaks in a cute French accent, is liberal minded, is pro-freedom, has some Sherlock-esque skills, will have a threesome with you in Origins (or foursome), has lots of Nugs and is quite lithe.

 

Komandor and Dai Grepher probably chose Morrigan as their LI, who is a b*tch that got herself enslaved to her mommy goddess because of her lack of wisdom.

 

So yeah, they be jelly.

 

You forgot to mention she was foolish enough to start war she couldn't end, failed to do her job quite a lot of times making elementary mistakes and was easily emotionally manipulated by her 2 masters plus optionally by her lover.

 

So, yeah i wouldn't put Leliana into smarter territory than Morrigan.  

[Bayonet Hipshot]

You forgot to mention she was foolish enough to start war she couldn't end, failed to do her job quite a lot of times making elementary mistakes and was easily emotionally manipulated by her 2 masters plus optionally by her lover.

 

So, yeah i wouldn't put Leliana into smarter territory than Morrigan.  

 

Intelligence without wisdom gets you f*cked, and not in the way you want to. Morrigan is a classic example of an intelligent person with no wisdom - She ends up being the slave of someone she despises. Morrigan can also be manipulated, both by her own mother and by her potential lover, who can simply earn his approval by bribing her with gifts of jewelry. We have a term for a woman who is easily swayed by jewelry & the like - Gold Digger. At least Leliana has class and prefers gifts other than jewelry.

 

Additionally, I have never said that Leliana is intelligent. I said she has skills. As for her failures, many of the companions and advisers we know have screwed up at somepoint. Morrigan foolishly gave up free will for power. Cullen screwed up in Kinloch Hold and in Kirkwall's Gallows. Wynne caused a student to run off. Solas screwed up on a reality shattering level. I can keep listing things but failing is expected when it comes to people.

 

Leliana has many flaws but she is, at the end of the day, a reasonable Chaotic Good character.
 

 

It would be for Anora, who does not like women... and... doesn't like most men either.

 

Oh I don't know about that...Erlina & Anora look like they have something going on between them...

[Tidus]

Morrigan is out for self and will use any means necessary to obtain that goal.. She afraid of love and will try to end her romance with the warden.

 

Leliana is sweet, kind,highly religious and stone cold all wrapped up in one neat package. 

 

In DA:I she is stone cold and chilly to talk to unlike the sweet  Leliana  from DA:O.

[AnimalBoy]

I happily unleash her murderous rage upon the Chantry as the new divine. Not trusting her is another case of people overthinking and reaching for things that aren't there.