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[Kimarous]

Morrigan:

Dao

Witch Hunt

DaI

 

Morrigan was also in "The Last Court" under the moniker of "The Scornful Sorceress". If you're keeping count, that's one for her side.

 

As for Leliana herself, I like her well enough. Kinda bugs me that people so quickly label her as "crazy" because of her introduction on the "vision" premise. Am I seriously the only person who took it merely in a Martin Luther King "I had a dream" sense instead of a "this girl be yandere psycho, yo" notion? In any case, I'm the type of player who favours using a single playthrough and forming my headcanon around that particular universe, so I don't look at her as having "two personalities" so much as one personality that has shifted over time: the foolish young bard, the pious Chantry sister, the open-minded rogue who gave my Surana something to believe in (specifically in terms of believing the Maker never abandoned the world), the "hardened" outlook taken post-Marjolaine, the "hardened" Left Hand who left my Surana behind (Surana blaming himself for "hardening" her), the grieving spymaster to the Inquisition, softened once more with the Inquisitor's guidance, and eventually the idealistic Divine who my Surana could happily return to.

 

Let me put it this way: I commissioned "what if" Dragon Age Keep tile art depicting the "canon" reconciliation and the "non-canon" opposite result.

 

So... yeah. Not actually going to "debate" matters. Just stating my stance on the matter.

[German Soldier]

But they can restore cut content, if you don't know there are plnety of mods that restore content along with VA like this or this.

 Don't know if that is cut content or part of the game but even then cut contents that don't undermine the consistency of the game make the game very much more complete than the vanilla version,since these contents don't alter the game and were developed by bioware offcial team and are in the game files.

They are not mods they are within the game files but need to be extracted because it don't happen during the installation of the game so i would say  that is not an altered version of the game rather the complete version of it.

[Aren]

Except person that made that video uses heavily modded version of the game if you couldn't tell.

 

As i said before i reached -100 approval in my unmodded game Morrigan is still there. 

So you are gonna say that i'm wrong based on the fact that i have the complete version of the game while you don't have it?

[TheKomandorShepard]

 Don't know if that is cut content or part of the game but even then cut contents that don't undermine the consistency of the game make the game very much more complete than the vanilla version,since these contents don't alter the game and were developed by bioware offcial team and are in the game files.

They are not mods they are within the game files but need to be extracted because it don't happen during the installation of the game so i would say  that is not an altered version of the game rather the complete version of it.

 

LoL, now you are being ridiculous cut content is content removed from the orginal game and isn't supposed to be in the game (it was cut after all) and restoring it alters content of the game and by that it is mod.

 

So you are gonna say that i'm wrong based on the fact that i have the complete version of the game while you don't have it?

 

No , i will say you are wrong basing on that you have modded version of the game while i have orginal version of the game.

[German Soldier]

LoL, now you are being ridiculous cut content is content removed from the orginal game and isn't supposed to be in the game (it was cut after all) and restoring it alters content of the game and by that it is mod.

 

 

Nope because they have to be classfied as restoration patch not as mods if they don't alter the game.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Nope because they have to be classfied as restoration patch not as mods.

You know it is still a mod?

Also , yes they do alter the game by adding content that was removed and isn't part of the orginal game.

 

Damn, some people are desperate.

[German Soldier]

You know it is still mod?

Also , yes they do alter the game by adding content that isn't part of the orginal game.

If they are part of the actual game(in fact they don't alter the game) but cannot be loaded due to allocation resource problems from the disc to the Pc then they are patch not mods,i know quite a lot of games that have this sort of problems that are later corrected by patchs either released by the company or by users.

[TheKomandorShepard]

If they are part of the actual game(in fact they don't alter the game) but cannot be loaded due to allocation resource problems from the disc to the Pc then they are patch not mods,i know quite a lot of games that have this sort of problems that are later corrected by patch either released by the company or by users.

 

It is not part of the actual game (lol) those things aren't in the game plain and simple. This is cut content that was removed from the actual game and just remained in files of the game but was removed from actual game thus isn't part of the game, it is just restored content by fans not developers of the game and unofficial patches are still mods. 

[Aren]

It is not part of the actual game (lol) those things aren't in the game plain and simple. This is cut content that was removed from the actual game and just remained in files of the game but was removed from actual game thus isn't part of the game, it is just restored content by fans not developers of the game and unofficial patches are still mods. 

Nope you are wrong, it is the same situation of the Sirgun case with DAA since in the vanilla game you can't complete her quest unless you download a patch that restore the cut content that is cut only due to allocation problems.

Those are called patchs not mods and there is a huge difference

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Ok , now i can tell you are biased if you can't see a difference.

 

Morrigan:

Dao

Witch Hunt

DaI

 

Oh you forgot about the Last court?

I guess it doesn't count because you are an huge and blind Morrigan fan

[TheKomandorShepard]

Nope you are wrong, it is the same situation of the Sirgun case with DAA since in the vanilla game you can't complete her quest unless you download a patch that restore the cut content taht is cut only due to allocation problems.

Those are called patchs not mods and there is a huge difference

LoL, you are being ridiculous and ignore evidence unofficial patches are still mods i gave you link to wiki , if still have problem with comprehending it you can even go on Nexus and read it on it's page is called a mod. Once again you prove that you speak about things you have no idea about.Another matter is that bug isn't the same thing as cut content.

 

 

Oh you forgot about the Last court?

I guess it doesn't count because you are an huge and blind Morrigan fan

Yes i did in fact forgot about it and no it does count because it is product framing story what still doesn't change anything because Morrigan is still nowhere near overused as Leliana.

[sniper_arrow]

Oh you forgot about the Last court?

I guess it doesn't count because you are an huge and blind Morrigan fan

 

To be fair, I didn't know about the Last Court until everyone pointed this. Is this in the DA Keep?

[Donquijote and 59 others]

LoL, you are being ridiculous and ignore evidence unofficial patches are still mods i gave you link to wiki , if still have problem with comprehending it you can even go on Nexus and read it on it's page is called a mod. Once again you prove that you speak about things you have no idea about.Another matter is that bug isn't the same thing as cut content.

 

 

Yes i did in fact forgot about it and yes it does count because it is product framing story what still doesn't change because Morrigan is still nowhere near over-used as Leliana.

Lol you're being ridiculous a patch is a patch not an additional content because it's purpose is to solve bugs or restore contents that don't alter the game so yes in the complete version of the game of DAO Morrigan leave for low approval like anyone else aside from Alistair and Dog.

 

also lol Morrigan is overused because she was in 3 games and one Dlc ahh forgetting the last court and pretending to be right....

To be fair, I didn't know about the Last Court until everyone pointed this. Is this in the DA Keep?

is another DA game and one that i don't like.

[sniper_arrow]

also lol Morrigan is overused because she was in 3 games and one Dlc ahh forgetting the last court and pretending to be right....

 

Let's be honest: both Morrigan AND Leliana are overused in the series, regardless of their plot relevancy. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

Lol you're being ridiculous a patch is a patch not an additional content becasue is purpose is to solve bugs or restore contents that don't alter the game so yes in the complete version of the game of DAO Morrigan leave for low approval like anyone else aside from Alistair and Dog.

 

also lol Morrigan is overused because she was in 3 games and one Dlc ahh forgetting the last court and pretending to be right....

is another DA game and one that i don't like.

 

 

Read pls what im saying and go on wiki read what mod means before you start talking about things you have no idea about because it is just another inept argument of yours that i already refuted.

 

Also you need to work on your reading comprehension because i nowhere here claimed that Morrigan is not overused just not nowhere near as Leliana and no i didn't pretend im right , im right what if you could read properly you would know i addressed in my previous post...

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Let's be honest: both Morrigan AND Leliana are overused in the series, regardless of their plot relevancy. 

That's the truth not what the other is continuing to say,that one is a writer pet because is overused while the other is not

They both have an advocate in the writing staff and are pets

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

That's the truth not what the other is continuing to say,that one is a writer pet because is overused while the other is not

They both have an advocate in the writing staff and are pets

 

There can be only 1 writers favorite so yeah, plus once again Morrigan has still moderate or not far away amount of apparences among recurring characters unlike Leliana or even Alistair.Plus another things i explained 100 times in this thread and anothers on that topic.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

There can be only 1 writers favorite so yeah, plus once again Morrigan has still moderate or not far away amount of apparences among recurring characters unlike Leliana or even Alistair.Plus another things i explained 100 times in this thread and anothers on that topic.

^The Bias si coming  

[TheKomandorShepard]

^The Bias si coming  

Sorry, trying apply bias strategy because you lack proper arguments won't work here because a lot of times i said negative things about Morrigan criticizing her in other as well this threads.  

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Sorry, trying apply bias strategy because you lack proper arguments won't work here because a lot of times i said negative things about Morrigan criticizing her.

Being in 3 games and one Dlc of the franchise on a total of 4 games for the franchise is what i define as overexposure,at this point they better put Morrigan on a museum or something for cultural exposition

Yes you're biased toward the witch, what's wrong in being biased towards her for the kissing LI i suppose is normal human behaviour

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

Being in 3 games and one Dlc of the franchise on a total of 4 games for the franchise is what i define as overexposure,at this point they better put Morrigan on a museum or something for cultural exposition

Yes you're biased toward the witch what's wrong in being biased towards her for the kissing LI i suppose is normal human behaviour

 

 

Once again, you need to work on your reading comprehension because none of those have anything with i have said, i didn't argue about that, nor Morrigan is "my LI" as you trying to impose.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Once again, you need to work on your reading comprehension because none of those have anything with i have said .i didn't argue about that, nor Morrigan is "my LI" as you trying to impose .

I gave you the logic  argument that you requested which was the response to this statement of yours:

" Morrigan has still moderate or not far away amount of apparences among recurring characters "

 

and i pointed out and now  marked that  she is present in 3 on a total of 4 games of the franchise(and one DLc) that you consider  her appearences as moderate demonstrate your bias   .

DAO

DA2

Last court

DAI

[TheKomandorShepard]

I gave you the logic  argument that you requested which was the response to this statement of yours:

" Morrigan has still moderate or not far away amount of apparences among recurring characters "

 

and i pointed out and now  marked that  she is present in 3 on a total of 4 games of the franchise(and one DLc) that you consider  her appearences as moderate demonstrate your bias   .

DAO

DA2

Last court

DAI

 

Sorry pal, but once again you have no idea what you are talking about because none of those refer to things i have said you just thrown irrelevant fact that i acknowledge and try apply meaning to it that has nothing to do with my orginal point.

 

I advise first to check meaning of word moderate, then check other characters that have apparences in more than 2 products and compare to Morrigan.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Sorry pal, but once again you have no idea what you are talking about because none of those refer to things i have said you just thrown irrelevant fact that i acknowledge and try apply meaning to it that has nothing to do with my orginal point.

 

I advise first to check meaning of word moderate, then check other characters that have apparences in more than 2 products and compare to Morrigan.

It seems to me that you have no idea of what you say (you have some mental disease?) since i barely copied your own words and answered 

Moderate means average in amount, intensity, quality, or degree and the definition can't apply in this case and is misused especially to describe Morrigan overexposure

[sylvanaerie]

Okay, just seeing a lot of insults for other posters flying around.  Before the mods decide to shut down this thread for violations and warnings get passed out, I just want to add.  Leliana isn't a Mary Sue.  She may be author insert, I am unsure, I don't know who wrote her, but she doesn't fit the definition of "mary sue" which I've seen bandied about more as an insult to the character's writing than actually looking up just what a Mary Sue is.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue

 

Just being present in the games doesn't make her a Mary Sue, she doesn't fit the mold of 'perfect' as she's shown to be flawed (she's naive and too easily swayed by a stronger personality--a very serious flaw).  She's not 'best at what she does' since, although capable,  she makes mistakes and questions those times her plans go awry.  She's not some 'youngest to achieve her status' since she's been around the block a few times.

 

Overused in the series, she may be.  I enjoy the character so I don't mind.  I enjoyed Leliana's Song.  It wasn't my favorite DLC, but I did enjoy it.  Her presence in DA2 (brief cameos during an optional DLC character's quest and at the end) is completely within the bounds of 'should be there' since she is, after all the HAND of the present Divine.  The only time she has turned up and I felt it was purely fan service was during the Mark of the Assassin DLC, but then Teagan (another fan service character presence) was present as well.  Her presence in DAI makes sense since she and Cassandra were the divine's Hands.

 

Maybe they could have created a totally new character, but having Leliana in the position gives some continuity to the games, just as including Cullen in a role in all three games connects DAO to DA2 and DAI a small way.  Sometimes it just takes little things.

 

If you dislike the character, I feel sorry for you since she does play an important role in the series, but she doesn't overshadow the protagonists of the game.  She's not a Mary Sue.