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[TheKomandorShepard]

There is a huge difference between the comics and Here lies the abyss, on Here lies the abyss what is required is a rogue Warden to fit in the plot (and there are different options for it), on the comics, what would be required is a dude with Therin's bloodline (Teagan and Loghain wouldn't fit in the plot) otherwise, Titus would not be interested on set a trap on a random dude, therefore, Claudio and the crows would never have revealed that they had Maric captive. In Gaider's words " The events happened different or not at all" And the comics are exactly on that category, they were always meant to, Gaider's other idea for a comic was GW Bethany and Howe (the first could also be dead).

Except importance to the plot didn't prevent events from books or another products happening, Wynne played important role in Asunder and Asunder events happen regardless. How do you know what Cluadio would or wouldn't do without Alistair being alive , he could just as well try lure for example Teagan with having information about Marric being alive so he can capture noble for ransom.Varric refers to events from comic book meaning that events from Those who speak that followed The Silent Gorve happened with or without Alistair.

[XEternalXDreamsX]

There's a good chance Leliana may suffer a little from schizophrenia (or something similar) in the series if the protagonist can harden or soften in part 4 of the series. Of course, that's even if she shows up. You would think at a certain point, she will think the voices told her to do something.

Don't get me wrong, I like that we can influence her but that's two characters (not including the Late Divine) on how she handles situations. If an agent of the antagonist gets on her good side, they could easily influence her if Bioware wields it.

[Andromelek]

Except importance to the plot didn't prevent events from books or another products happening, Wynne played important role in Asunder and Asunder events happen regardless. How do you know what Cluadio would or wouldn't do without Alistair being alive , he could just as well try lure for example Teagan with having information about Marric being alive so he can capture noble for ransom.Varric refers to events from comic book meaning that events from Those who speak that followed The Silent Gorve happened with or without Alistair.

Ransom? Seriously? Claudio is a freaking prince, he doesn't need more money, and it still wouldn't be related to Titus, he needed Alistair for Titus and to use him as a shield against Yavana's Dragon, Teagan wouldn't work for any of those.

And again with Varric... the only thing he mentioned was meeting the hornless Arishok, nothing more, the Triumvirate came out from Par Volen to claim that the old Arishok was a jerk and that he wasn't authorized to invade, after that they went to Kirkwall to remove the dreadnought, Varric could have met the new Arishok there.

[Dorrieb]

I have not yet played Origins so i only know her from this game. And what you say that you like her because she is creepy i can go for that. It is strange though a Pope who murders people and enjoys it.  

 

You don't know much about popes

[TheKomandorShepard]

Ransom? Seriously? Claudio is a freaking prince, he doesn't need more money, and it still wouldn't be related to Titus, he needed Alistair for Titus and to use him as a shield against Yavana's Dragon, Teagan wouldn't work for any of those.

And again with Varric... the only thing he mentioned was meeting the hornless Arishok, nothing more, the Triumvirate came out from Par Volen to claim that the old Arishok was a jerk and that he wasn't authorized to invade, after that they went to Kirkwall to remove the dreadnought, Varric could have met the new Arishok there.

By that logic rich people wouldn't do anything, if i learned something from life is that no matter how much money or power people have they will always want and strive for more.Also it doesn't need to be related to Titus, what is important Titus kidnapped Marric so in first place in that scenario Teagan would go after Titus.

 

First of all from where you took information that Triumvirate came to Kirkwall , as i Recall all Qunari did is sending ship to take dreadnough back and qunari claming that wasn't their fault.Second Varric words wouldn't make a sense as he mentioned Arishok and Sten tendency to burn things , so unless you want to tell me that Sten went there to burn Kirkwall again what he said doesn't make any sense.    

[Donquijote and 59 others]

There's a good chance Leliana may suffer a little from schizophrenia (or something similar) in the series if the protagonist can harden or soften in part 4 of the series.

That's why she is perfect.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

You don't know much about popes

 

 Leliana is the equivalent of Pope Bonifice VIII

[Andromelek]

By that logic rich people wouldn't do anything, if i learned something from life is that no matter how much money or power people have they will always want and strive for more.Also it doesn't need to be related to Titus, what is important Titus kidnapped Marric so in first place in that scenario Teagan would go after Titus.
 
First of all from where you took information that Triumvirate came to Kirkwall , as i Recall all Qunari did is sending ship to take dreadnough back and qunari claming that wasn't their fault.Second Varric words wouldn't make a sense as he mentioned Arishok and Sten tendency to burn things , so unless you want to tell me that Sten went there to burn Kirkwall again what he said doesn't make any sense.

Yes, I know, but that people knows what to do, kidnaping Fereldans is not really a good idea, Ferelden is a poor country, if the goal is money, there would still being more money on asssasinations than on a Fereldan hostage. The only reason of why Claudio revealed Titus' name was because Yavana revived him and threatened him with letting him as a rotten zombie, and still he was reluctant to her, so, there is no way for Teagan to finding out Titus' name.

Have to point out that the Party banters don't seem to be filtered, Varric also mentions Tallis even if you never met her, Vivienne still mentions Irving if sided with Templars, the only relevant mention to comics events is made by Alistair on the Fade, and the only character straight up declared dead on WoT2 was Corypheus, Gaider said some events could just don't happen at all, that has more weight than your word.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yes, I know, but that people knows what to do, kidnaping Fereldans is not really a good idea, Ferelden is a poor country, if the goal is money, there would still being more money on asssasinations than on a Fereldan hostage. The only reason of why Claudio revealed Titus' name was because Yavana revived him and threatened him with letting him as a rotten zombie, and still he was reluctant to her, so, there is no way for Teagan to finding out Titus' name.

Have to point out that the Party banters don't seem to be filtered, Varric also mentions Tallis even if you never met her, Vivienne still mentions Irving if sided with Templars, the only relevant mention to comics events is made by Alistair on the Fade, and the only character straight up declared dead on WoT2 was Corypheus, Gaider said some events could just don't happen at all, that has more weight than your word.

 

Kidnapping Ferelden arl and ambassador would be way to gain quick and easy money if you managed to lure him , so it doesn't matter that Ferelden is poorer than Orlais it still have a lot of money and Teagan as Arl is rich and have rich family. Yavana still could have there would be nothing to prevent her from doing that , especially that she would want put her hands on Marric. 

 

That would make sense if bioware screwd up as it wouldn't be first time, but until they confirm whether they screwd up in that case we have no other option than to assume that happens no matter what.Whether character was confirmed to be dead or not in WoT or not means little as WoT declared Lambert just missing rather than dead and Lambert still ended up dead. 

[Patricia08]

You don't know much about popes

 

I guess not but you are going to tell me right ? 

[Patricia08]

 Leliana is the equivalent of Pope Bonifice VIII

 

Why was that a Pope that killed people and enjoyed it ?

[Andromelek]

Kidnapping Ferelden arl and ambassador would be way to gain quick and easy money if you managed to lure him , so it doesn't matter that Ferelden is poorer than Orlais it still have a lot of money and Teagan as Arl is rich and have rich family. Yavana still could have there would be nothing to prevent her from doing that , especially that she would want put her hands on Marric. 
 
That would make sense if bioware screwd up as it wouldn't be first time, but until they confirm whether they screwd up in that case we have no other option than to assume that happens no matter what.Whether character was confirmed to be dead or not in WoT or not means little as WoT declared Lambert just missing rather than dead and Lambert still ended up dead.

Not so rich if they couldn't repair the damage caused by the Blight on ten years and Teagan had to threatened the Inquisition in order to get money for the mage's mess. And again no, Yavana only knew that Claudio was Titus' ally because Varric and Isabella told her that they were looking for the temple and had Alistair as a shield, so whatever Claudio would do with a Fereldan hostage would be taken as political crap that is not of her concern.

What we should do is stick to Gaider's word until devs say otherwise, Varric merely confirms meeting the Arishok, not anyone dying, without Alistair and without Isabella, the events of the comic couldn't happen.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Not so rich if they couldn't repair the damage caused by the Blight on ten years and Teagan had to threatened the Inquisition in order to get money for the mage's mess. And again no, Yavana only knew that Claudio was Titus' ally because Varric and Isabella told her that they were looking for the temple and had Alistair as a shield, so whatever Claudio would do with a Fereldan hostage would be taken as political crap that is not of her concern.

What we should do is stick to Gaider's word until devs say otherwise, Varric merely confirms meeting the Arishok, not anyone dying, without Alistair and without Isabella, the events of the comic couldn't happen.

What you mean they couldn't repair? Denerim was completely fixed 2 years after the blight , and that Teagan tried to swindle Inquistor out of money doesn't mean he couldn't repair it only that sought someone who will do it for free.It seems you are trying jump from one argument to another when i refute your previous one at this rate i will write plot of new comic book framing Teagan , Yavana wasn't suprised by what Isabela told her plus as i said she would still like put her hands on Marric . so while she wouldn't care about ransom thing she for certain would care about getting Claudio and Marric in what Teagan could help her. Plus, events wouldn't have to be exactly the same with Teagan as they were with Alistair.     

 

In first place DG never confirmed it didn't happen so now you are making stuff up , Varric confirms meeting Arishok that matches that from comic book , and only Alistair is out of equation not Isabela because Isabela is always alive.

[Andromelek]

What you mean they couldn't repair? Denerim was completely fixed 2 years after the blight , and that Teagan tried to swindle Inquistor out of money doesn't mean he couldn't repair it only that sought someone who will do it for free.It seems you are trying jump from one argument to another when i refute your previous one at this rate i will write plot of new comic book framing Teagan , Yavana wasn't suprised by what Isabela told her plus as i said she would still like put her hands on Marric . so while she wouldn't care about ransom thing she for certain would care about getting Claudio and Marric in what Teagan could help her. Plus, events wouldn't have to be exactly the same with Teagan as they were with Alistair.     
 
In first place DG never confirmed it didn't happen so now you are making stuff up , Varric confirms meeting Arishok that matches that from comic book , and only Alistair is out of equation not Isabela because Isabela is always alive.

Huh? The war table mission said that the Venatori fireship burned the parts of Denerim that hadn't been destroyed by the Blight already, Redcliffe still has destroyed buildings and Cassandra says that even after ten years Ferelden hasn't succeeded on recover from the Blight, I said Teagan wouldn't fit in the plot, deal with it, if you rewrite the comic with Teagan it will be completely senseless.

What making stuff up? What I've quote is the answer of Gaider to a dude that asked whow should we take the non-game media, and he said that both books of Maric are 100% canon, all the others were written to match on most world states, but he said that being a role video game, they have the luxury of allowing different outcomes, that if your world state conflicts with the story they are telling, then you may assume such events happened differently or didn't happen at all, due to Alistair's involvement in the comics plot, it enters on the "didn't happen at all" part, and yes, Isabella can also be out of the equation, not dead but she was taken by the Arishok and escaped, Varric never met her again by the time that he is telling the story, that is short before Inquisition beggining.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Huh? The war table mission said that the Venatori fireship burned the parts of Denerim that hadn't been destroyed by the Blight already, Redcliffe still has destroyed buildings and Cassandra says that even after ten years Ferelden hasn't succeeded on recover from the Blight, I said Teagan wouldn't fit in the plot, deal with it, if you rewrite the comic with Teagan it will be completely senseless.

What making stuff up? What I've quote is the answer of Gaider to a dude that asked whow should we take the non-game media, and he said that both books of Maric are 100% canon, all the others were written to match on most world states, but he said that being a role video game, they have the luxury of allowing different outcomes, that if your world state conflicts with the story they are telling, then you may assume such events happened differently or didn't happen at all, due to Alistair's involvement in the comics plot, it enters on the "didn't happen at all" part, and yes, Isabella can also be out of the equation, not dead but she was taken by the Arishok and escaped, Varric never met her again by the time that he is telling the story, that is short before Inquisition beggining.

 

In Witch Hunt it is said that Denerim with exception of alienage was fixed, also war table mission says that parts of denerim that were rebuilt after the blight and even codex entry points that you wouldn't belive that it was once invaded by darkspawn.Redcliffe was pretty much mostly rebuilt as we can see in Inquistion despite conflict in Hinterlands and codex entry even says it. With that all that nedless to say what you are saying is wrong.You have no arguments now , so basically you just stomp with your feet and say he doesn't fit because you say so.

 

Yes you are making stuff up , DG never said it didn't happen just said that depending on your world state events from literature could happen differently or not happen at all , what is vast difference between didn't happen and you have 0 evidence it didn't when i have evidence it did.That is poor argument because Varric doesn't have to mention his adventure with her as it is irrelevant to Hawke and Varric doesn't mention it in every other scenario that includes Alistair being alive.