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[teh DRUMPf!!]

 No, only I always win, which is why Leviathan does not want me as their opponent.

 

 

Which, by the way, is a problem with a simple solution: build a wall. I'm great at building things.

[ArabianIGoggles]

It would have been great to learn more about the Leviathan for sure, how widespread they were and how much they exerted their influence on the galaxy. This might seem a little out there but if the Leviathan built the catalyst in their image, maybe they too took a largely hands off approach to the way the galaxy rsn itself. I mean, if the catalyst wanted to assume a little more direct control of things, one would think it could have woken the reapers up every 50,000 years itself, and never given anyone a chance to thwart the cycle in any way. My point is, maybe as long as tribute flowed -- to my mind the biggest tribute would be eezo -- the Leviathan didn't care how species evolved since they believed they could be controlled at any time. The Leviathan who spoke to Shep even stated, in as bald a revelation of its arrogance as there is, that "they were above the concerns of lesser species."

I like that.  Slightly off topic, but this just reminds me.  EDI says that eezo will decay after several centuries of active use.  So why don't the mass relays need to be constantly supplied with more?

[SporkFu]

I like that.  Slightly off topic, but this just reminds me.  EDI says that eezo will decay after several centuries of active use.  So why don't the mass relays need to be constantly supplied with more?

That is a good question. Is eezo a renewable resource? Perhaps the relays are so efficient in their use of eezo that, just before they return to dark space after a harvest, the reapers resupply the relays with enough eezo to last through the next cycle?

[Giantdeathrobot]

I like that.  Slightly off topic, but this just reminds me.  EDI says that eezo will decay after several centuries of active use.  So why don't the mass relays need to be constantly supplied with more?

 

Reaper Tech is probably handwaved as being hyper-efficient. Kinda like how they can use their Eezo core for deep space travel while Milky Way civilizations can't until Andromeda hits the shelves. Maybe the Reapers recharge their batteries every cycle and they are good to go for another 50 000 years.

 

As for the Leviathans, there's only a handful of them isn't there? Plus I don't see them as a threat in two of three endings; in Control God-Emperor Shepard keeps them honest, and in Synthesis I wouldn't be surprised if the magical green beam that makes everyone be all peace and love includes mind control immunity for good measure. For Destroy, well, hope that it's high EMS and Shepard lives so they know about the whole thing.

[McGuardian]

No. The legend goes that Faze clan once beat them. And they took rage quitting to a whole new level, they created killing robots and went into hiding

[Sartoz]

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Leviathans belong in the Shep universe not in Andromeda. Bio has clearly stated that Andromeda is a new story, new characters and a new location.

 

[FlyingSquirrel]

If the Leviathans had the capability to enthrall the entire galaxy (including the Reapers), they probably would have already done it. For that matter, they probably would not have ever created the Catalyst in the first place. Now that their secret is out, I think they'd face an even bigger challenge. *Maybe* they'd get somewhere in a Destroy scenario. In a scenario with the Reapers still around to help keep them contained, I don't see it happening at all.

[Grieving Natashina]

My headcanon is that Shepard told the Alliance about Leviathan. How he controls people, his power and the fact that his race turned out to be the creators of the Reapers. Since there isn't may of Levithan's race left, I'm betting that (in the high EMS endings, excluding Synthesis) that the Alliance was going to be vigilant for looking for signs of Leviathan. I've always pictured that, post-war, they went out actively looking for the Leviathan orbs in order to destroy them. It seems like, unlike Reaper Tech, it takes a long time to fully brainwash someone.

[UpUpAway]

My headcanon is that Shepard told the Alliance about Leviathan. How he controls people, his power and the fact that his race turned out to be the creators of the Reapers. Since there isn't may of Levithan's race left, I'm betting that (in the high EMS endings, excluding Synthesis) that the Alliance was going to be vigilant for looking for signs of Leviathan. I've always pictured that, post-war, they went out actively looking for the Leviathan orbs in order to destroy them. It seems like, unlike Reaper Tech, it takes a long time to fully brainwash someone.

 

Sorry to say, but Leviathan didn't create the Reapers... they created the Catalyst who then created the Reapers.  (Kind of like parents who make babies and then sometimes their children "go bad" on them.)   Leviathan felt betrayed by the Catalyst and, in the end of the DLC agreed to release Shepard and fight the Reapers (not to join in the Alliance's war but to protect that world they were found on)... they even destroyed one to allow Shepard's shuttle to get back to the Normandy.

 

Leviathan is merely the oldest known surviving organic species in the MW.  They would mostly likely be impacted by the Synthesis Ending in the same way every other organic species would be, which (if you take the literal interpretation of that ending) would mean they would have no desire left to control or destroy any species... having achieved complete synthesis with all synthetics and with all other organics from all civilizations past and present (because the reapers survival brings forward that knowledge from all those past harvested civilizations).

 

With control ending, the implication is that Shepard controls the Reapers; but not Leviathan or any other organic species.  It is unclear whether or not he/she controls other synthetics along with the Reapers.  With the destroy ending, the implication is that the Reapers and all other Synthetics are destroyed.  Neither one of these endings precludes any conflict subsequently arising among/between any of the organic species in the galaxy.  It also doesn't preclude the organics creating new synthetics (ones that Shepard would not control).  Leviathan would be formidable enemies but I don't know whether they would necessarily "always win" or that they would necessarily become enemies of the other Milky Way organic species.

[Grieving Natashina]

I know that, but it was a simple way to sum it up. They were responsible, even if it was just by creating the very buggy AI. I'd like to think that most folks in the ME-verse would probably call the Leviathan race the creators of the Reapers. Throw in that they have mind-controlling ablities like the Reapers and that's all the Galactic Council and the Alliance would care about knowing. The AI is just semantics.

As an aside, Leviathan is the best DLC for ME3 imho. I love Citadel, don't get me wrong. I enjoyed the clone quest, and I really had fun with the party and other various companion moments. However, the dark creepy atomsphere of Leviathan and confronting not-Cthulu race was awesome. I know that the DLC was put out after the endings, but I really enjoy it. It ties with Overlord as my favorite DLC in the entire Mass Effect series.

[UpUpAway]

I know that, but it was a simple way to sum it up. They were responsible, even if it was just by creating the very buggy AI. I'd like to think that most folks in the ME-verse would probably call the Leviathan race the creators of the Reapers. Throw in that they have mind-controlling ablities like the Reapers and that's all the Galactic Council and the Alliance would care about knowing. The AI is just semantics.

As an aside, Leviathan is the best DLC for ME3 imho. I love Citadel, don't get me wrong. I enjoyed the clone quest, and I really had fun with the party and other various companion moments. However, the dark creepy atomsphere of Leviathan and confronting not-Cthulu race was awesome. I know that the DLC was put out after the endings, but I really enjoy it. It ties with Overlord as my favorite DLC in the entire Mass Effect series.

 

Symbolically then... Are programmers of one main program ultimately responsible for the "behavior" of any subprogram written by their main program in such a way that they should be hunted down and exterminated? (BTW, don't actually answer that... just food for thought.)

 

I may be in the minority, but I don't think all the character races of the ME-verse would call the Leviathan race the creators of the Reapers.  Shepard brings them in as allies.  Even if you consider the conversation with the Catalyst to bely something other than Leviathan being allies, the only person aware of the conversation with the Catalyst is/was Shepard.

[SporkFu]

Should the Leviathan be exterminated? I don't think so. But post-mission, Hackett says the Alliance scientists are already calling shep's report "the Leviathan Codex" and that they will be studying it for years to come which is optimistic of him given the outcome of the war harvest is still in doubt at the time, but anyway. They will no longer be an unknown threat.

If in fact all that is left of the Leviathan live on 2181 Despoina, then dealing with them shouldn't be an insurmountable problem. Quarantine, careful vigilance, shielding or destruction of the artifacts -- which I think are just amplifiers -- should all serve well enough to deal with them. if they are more widespread, or have another means of traveling to other planets, then things could get interesting.

@Natashina: Agreed I love the Leviathan DLC!

[KaiserShep]

I imagine it wouldn't be a monumental task to quarantine the system the Leviathan live in, but what I'd really be curious about is how other races react to the revelation of the Leviathan's existence. The salarians would no doubt want to study them, and the asari perhaps might want to leave them in isolation, but the turians and krogan strike me as the type that would keep a gun pointed at their planet, ready to flash boil the ocean they live in. 

[SporkFu]

Nah, quarantine is easy. All they have to do is put out a new update of GoogleGalaxy with Despoina 2181 removed from the charts, and post warning beacons at the relays leading to the system: An automated recording of Grunt saying, "No, you can't come in," should do it.

[ArabianIGoggles]

I imagine it wouldn't be a monumental task to quarantine the system the Leviathan live in, but what I'd really be curious about is how other races react to the revelation of the Leviathan's existence. The salarians would no doubt want to study them, and the asari perhaps might want to leave them in isolation, but the turians and krogan strike me as the type that would keep a gun pointed at their planet, ready to flash boil the ocean they live in. 

Good luck getting ahold of a Leviathan corpse. 

[KaiserShep]

Good luck getting ahold of a Leviathan corpse. 

 

 

Yeah, making the corpse would be relatively simple; the hard part is finding one to shoot at. Killing the world around them would probably do the trick, but the result may not yield any corpses worth studying. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Yeah, making the corpse would be relatively simple; the hard part is finding one to shoot at. Killing the world around them would probably do the trick, but the result may not yield any corpses worth studying. 

 

Remember that Bio-Weapon in ME1? Why not dump something similar into the world's ocean or what have you?

[FlyingSquirrel]

My headcanon is that Shepard told the Alliance about Leviathan. How he controls people, his power and the fact that his race turned out to be the creators of the Reapers. 

 

I don't think you even need headcanon for that - Shepard updates Hackett after each Leviathan mission, and presumably someone on the Normandy keeps official mission logs. I think it's safe to assume that the Alliance, or at least some within the Alliance leadership, know everything Shepard knows about the Leviathans.

 

 

 

Since there isn't may of Levithan's race left, I'm betting that (in the high EMS endings, excluding Synthesis) that the Alliance was going to be vigilant for looking for signs of Leviathan. I've always pictured that, post-war, they went out actively looking for the Leviathan orbs in order to destroy them. It seems like, unlike Reaper Tech, it takes a long time to fully brainwash someone. 

 

I think the War Map has an entry where it says that Alliance "enthrallment teams" are using the Leviathan spheres to control Reaper units and disrupt their attacks, so they're definitely a known quantity. I agree with you that they would probably destroy the spheres as soon as the war is over as well as any others that they can find.

[FlyingSquirrel]

As an aside, Leviathan is the best DLC for ME3 imho. I love Citadel, don't get me wrong. I enjoyed the clone quest, and I really had fun with the party and other various companion moments. However, the dark creepy atomsphere of Leviathan and confronting not-Cthulu race was awesome. I know that the DLC was put out after the endings, but I really enjoy it. It ties with Overlord as my favorite DLC in the entire Mass Effect series.

 

I also thought Leviathan brought some thematic coherence to ME3 and to the series as a whole. Even with the Extended Cut, the explanation of the Reapers' origin felt incomplete and kind of random - it didn't amount to much besides "a really old computer program went crazy." Finding out who designed it and why tied it back to the sort of hubris and unintended consequences that tend to be the cause of most of the conflicts in the Mass Effect universe (Overlord being another great example of that). 

[KaiserShep]

Remember that Bio-Weapon in ME1? Why not dump something similar into the world's ocean or what have you?

It's High Researcher Fortak's birthday, that's why.

[themikefest]

I like that.  Slightly off topic, but this just reminds me.  EDI says that eezo will decay after several centuries of active use.  So why don't the mass relays need to be constantly supplied with more?

As large as the relay is, I wouldn't be surprise if there are keepers or maybe workers made from another species inside the relay to keep everything maintained. Just a guess.

[themikefest]

If there's only the three Leviathan that is seen in the dlc, I wouldn't worry. I would have an advisory against traveling near the planet, and as someone posted above, keep a lookout for any orbs and destroy them.

[KaiserShep]

If there's only the three Leviathan that is seen in the dlc, I wouldn't worry. I would have an advisory against traveling near the planet, and as someone posted above, keep a lookout for any orbs and destroy them.

Pretty much. Now that the cat's out of the bag, it should be simple enough to counter the effects of the orbs. Heck they can be shielded. Anyway I doubt the leviathan would try anything, at least if they know what's good for them. Their reliance on other species to do the dirty work for them is their greatest weakness.

[ArabianIGoggles]

As large as the relay is, I wouldn't be surprise if there are keepers or maybe workers made from another species inside the relay to keep everything maintained. Just a guess.

Interesting.  That hadn't ever occurred to me.  I just find it hard to believe that if the protheans can build a one way mini relay on Ilos, then the Leviathans would have something similar as well.  Either way, Leviathan was my favorite DLC and I hope to see more of that type of atmosphere in Andromeda. 

[Sarayne]

I know that, but it was a simple way to sum it up. They were responsible, even if it was just by creating the very buggy AI. I'd like to think that most folks in the ME-verse would probably call the Leviathan race the creators of the Reapers. Throw in that they have mind-controlling ablities like the Reapers and that's all the Galactic Council and the Alliance would care about knowing. The AI is just semantics.

As an aside, Leviathan is the best DLC for ME3 imho. I love Citadel, don't get me wrong. I enjoyed the clone quest, and I really had fun with the party and other various companion moments. However, the dark creepy atomsphere of Leviathan and confronting not-Cthulu race was awesome. I know that the DLC was put out after the endings, but I really enjoy it. It ties with Overlord as my favorite DLC in the entire Mass Effect series.

I thought I was the only one who preferred Leviathan over Citadel ?! Feels great not to be alone anymore.