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[Iakus]

Nail on the head.

 

I love Inquisition, but there's no real danger to the game. I hope future Bioware games look at Mass Effect 2 and Origins when they create future games.

Mass Effect 2 is every bit as Rule of Cool and Special Snowflake as DAI.

[AlanC9]

It's actually worse. At least in DAI there really is something special about the Herald, even if it's only the accidental attachment of the Anchor.

[Sylvius the Mad]

It's actually worse. At least in DAI there really is something special about the Herald, even if it's only the accidental attachment of the Anchor.

There's nothing inherently special about the Herald. He or she just happened to be in the right place at the right time. It could have been anyone.

[vbibbi]

There's nothing inherently special about the Herald. He or she just happened to be in the right place at the right time. It could have been anyone.

There's nothing inherently special about the Herald until they acquire the Anchor. Then, regardless of what they did to "deserve" it or not, they are special.

[BansheeOwnage]

There's nothing inherently special about the Herald. He or she just happened to be in the right place at the right time. It could have been anyone.

There was nothing special about Shepard until the Prothean Beacon either, but it's still being special. That's an interesting case though, because it only applies to the first game. After that, Shepard is awesome, but not special. The same thing happened to the Inquisitor too...

[Gold Dragon]

Actually, there WAS something Special about Shepard before the Cypher.  Shepard was an N7.  With one of three possible reasons (Background choice of Surviving against 10,000 Slavers, surviving a Thresher maw or antics on Torfan).

 

Even getting an invitation to N7 school was considered special.  Bad choice.

[vbibbi]

Actually, there WAS something Special about Shepard before the Cypher.  Shepard was an N7.  With one of three possible reasons (Background choice of Surviving against 10,000 Slavers, surviving a Thresher maw or antics on Torfan).

 

Even getting an invitation to N7 school was considered special.  Bad choice.

When I'm using the term special, and I think when Banshee is, we're using it as "special snowflake," ie someone with unique powers or abilities than no one else has. The Anchor or the Prothean Beacon being examples.

 

Shepard being an N7 is certainly extraordinary and makes him/her among the top 0.00001% of humanity's soldiers, but they're still a mundane person (unless biotics, but again other humans in the setting are biotics, and theoretically Jack is a better human biotic).

[BansheeOwnage]

Actually, there WAS something Special about Shepard before the Cypher.  Shepard was an N7.  With one of three possible reasons (Background choice of Surviving against 10,000 Slavers, surviving a Thresher maw or antics on Torfan).

 

Even getting an invitation to N7 school was considered special.  Bad choice.

 

When I'm using the term special, and I think when Banshee is, we're using it as "special snowflake," ie someone with unique powers or abilities than no one else has. The Anchor or the Prothean Beacon being examples.

 

Shepard being an N7 is certainly extraordinary and makes him/her among the top 0.00001% of humanity's soldiers, but they're still a mundane person (unless biotics, but again other humans in the setting are biotics, and theoretically Jack is a better human biotic).

Exactly. We're using special in the sense that no one else could achieve what they did. Other people could theoretically have fought the Collectors, for instance.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There was nothing special about Shepard until the Prothean Beacon either, but it's still being special. That's an interesting case though, because it only applies to the first game. After that, Shepard is awesome, but not special. The same thing happened to the Inquisitor too...

Shepard is the only being in the galaxy for however long the Reapers have been harvesting, which is at least a billion years, whose DNA can achieve Synthesis. That's pretty special. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

There's nothing inherently special about the Herald until they acquire the Anchor. Then, regardless of what they did to "deserve" it or not, they are special.

The Herald is then an ordinary person in an unusual circumstance.  That's how RPGs should work.

 

Ideally, yes, the unusual circumstance would be the result of something the character actually did, rather than something that happened to the character, but it doesn't change the fact that we're playing an otherwise ordinary person.

[BansheeOwnage]

Shepard is the only being in the galaxy for however long the Reapers have been harvesting, which is at least a billion years, whose DNA can achieve Synthesis. That's pretty special. 

Well, I wasn't counting the endings for obvious reasons... but is that ever stated? I thought the implication was that the Reapers never thought of it or considered it a good option until the Crucible connected and "altered the variables", whatever the hell that means.

[Sylvius the Mad]

When I'm using the term special, and I think when Banshee is, we're using it as "special snowflake," ie someone with unique powers or abilities than no one else has. The Anchor or the Prothean Beacon being examples.

 

Shepard being an N7 is certainly extraordinary and makes him/her among the top 0.00001% of humanity's soldiers, but they're still a mundane person (unless biotics, but again other humans in the setting are biotics, and theoretically Jack is a better human biotic).

The N7 designation, to me, is a bigger problem.  Beyond just being an exception (literally exceptional), Shepard is also required to be an elite member of a select group.  There's a superlative aspect there I dislike.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, I wasn't counting the endings for obvious reasons... but is that ever stated? I thought the implication was that the Reapers never thought of it or considered it a good option until the Crucible connected and "altered the variables", whatever the hell that means.

The Catalyst says they have tried solutions similar to Synthesis in the past, but it has never worked. Personally I think one such attempt resulted in the Keepers, since they are organic and synthetic. Another attempt could be how they discovered how to make husks. 

 

Then there is how Shepard is apparently the only one who can control the Reapers. And all the other things like there being something special about Shepard being the reason Cerberus brought them back, how they achieved peace with races where it seemed impossible, etc. Bioware was clearly going with a chosen one story with Shepard. 

[Nixou]

Mass Effect 2 is every bit as Rule of Cool and Special Snowflake as DAI.

 

Which is precisely why this game is soooo annoying. It's plot is like the caricature of a beaten nerd's masturbatory power-fantasy: "You're a badass Space Marine, you get killed at first, but you're so cool and charismatic than a shadowy secret organization rebuilds and resurrect you and then you just get more and more badass and invincible" yurk...

 

And that's why ME3 is just the series masterpiece: the only way to stop the series from becoming just another quasi-fascistic heinleinesque military porn with spaceships for white nerds was to end it with Shepard bloody, broken, and beaten. Something I was certain Bioware's writers lacked the guts to write.

[Iakus]

When I'm using the term special, and I think when Banshee is, we're using it as "special snowflake," ie someone with unique powers or abilities than no one else has. The Anchor or the Prothean Beacon being examples.

 

Shepard being an N7 is certainly extraordinary and makes him/her among the top 0.00001% of humanity's soldiers, but they're still a mundane person (unless biotics, but again other humans in the setting are biotics, and theoretically Jack is a better human biotic).

Agreed, all the origins make Shepard a highly trained and competant space marine, but still a "normal" human, with human limitations.  The beacon, and later the Cipher are what made Shepard "special"

 

In ME2, though, Shepard becomes a relentless undead cyborg

[Iakus]

Which is precisely why this game is soooo annoying. It's plot is like the caricature of a beaten nerd's masturbatory power-fantasy: "You're a badass Space Marine, you get killed at first, but you're so cool and charismatic than a shadowy secret organization rebuilds and resurrect you and then you just get more and more badass and invincible" yurk...

 

And that's why ME3 is just the series masterpiece: the only way to stop the series from becoming just another quasi-fascistic heinleinesque military porn with spaceships for white nerds was to end it with Shepard bloody, broken, and beaten. Something I was certain Bioware's writers lacked the guts to write.

I'd hardly call ME3 a masterpiece I mean, seriously, that's the game that completed Shepard's transition from "Shepard" to "The Shepard".   To quote the Iron Bull:

 

I like having an article at the front. It makes it sound like I'm not even a person, just a mindless weapon, an implement of destruction

 

but that's for another thread.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

 I misread the topic i thought it was "David Gaider was going to die"

[Sabariel]

The entirety of DA2 is about Hawke being repeatedly kicked in the face... and you're going to cap that off with yet another good boot stomping? No, thank you. Rather glad they didn't have time/resources to go down this route.

[Navoletti]

and the other rumor talk of they cut content that the warden appear...they replace the warden for stroud...

 

i hope gaider talk of this and we the fans request a explanation for why they decide this...

 

probably they have scary of low protagonism for the inquisitor.

[AresKeith]

and the other rumor talk of they cut content that the warden appear...they replace the warden for stroud...

 

i hope gaider talk of this and we the fans request a explanation for why they decide this...

 

probably they have scary of low protagonism for the inquisitor.

 

Hahahaa no

[Tamyn]

I always felt like Varric was shoehorned into DA:I.

[fereldanwench]

I always felt like Varric was shoehorned into DA:I.

 

Ditto. I'm glad he didn't get offed, especially for the sake of a few of my Hawkes, and I think he still had a valid reason to be a part of the story. But I would have preferred that companion slot was given to a new character. With a few tweaks, Harding could have been a good replacement.

[KaiserShep]

Shepard is the only being in the galaxy for however long the Reapers have been harvesting, which is at least a billion years, whose DNA can achieve Synthesis. That's pretty special. 

 

 

I'm pretty sure it has more to do with circumstances than DNA. There's nothing indicating that Shepard in and of herself is anything special to achieve any of the endings, save for the fact that she managed to get there to make the decision in the first place. If, say, Anderson made it to the chamber, there's probably nothing that would have prevented Synthesis, save for his refusal to choose it and just destroy the reapers. 

[In Exile]

Agreed, all the origins make Shepard a highly trained and competant space marine, but still a "normal" human, with human limitations.  The beacon, and later the Cipher are what made Shepard "special"

 

In ME2, though, Shepard becomes a relentless undead cyborg

 

The Beacon/Cipher never made Shepard special. Apart from being treated as a frothing at the mouth loon by the Council, and the one plot allowance to learning the Prothean language, the beacon is a MacGuffin, as is the Cipher. 

[Vegeta 77]

Its a shame this dlc got trashed but i'm glad varric did not die.