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[Realmzmaster]

Just like to point out that the floating bits of mountain are not simply a side effect from opening the Breach, which Cory had done while we were still at Skyhold.   Everything is nice and normal on the ground until the Inquisitor arrives, when Cory deliberately cause everything to rise up, effectively cutting you off from any forces you were able to bring with you.   It is powered by the red lyrium, which has been growing nicely in the area since the first explosion, which Cory uses in conjunction with the orb.   When it first rises in the air you see the glow of the lyrium seemingly pushing it up. 

 

He is doing this; it is levitation magic far in excess of anything that has been done previously in the setting, although Dorian does joke about floating cows over Minrathous.   In Last Flight Isseya uses magic to levitate makeshift aravels, filled with people, but that is nothing like as impressive as raising entire bits of mountain.   Of course all these examples of levitation contradict previous lore for the setting which stated such things couldn't be done, just as time magic should not have been possible, but there you go.   Time magic was only possible because of the Breach but levitation magic is possible separate from it.   Even if Cory was utilising some sort of anti-gravitational effect of the Breach, he was in control of the effect and it only occurred because he wanted it to; watch him gesture with his arms, then the mountain rises.

 

The point is that it takes a lot of power to levitate part of the mountain. It also takes a lot of power to maintain that levitation. The reason that Corypheus levitates part of the mountain is to cut off reinforcements. Levitating and maintaining the levitation is a serious power drain. Also Corypheus's power is divided between him and the dragon. And Corypheus has used power to reopen and maintain the Breach. So, unless Corypheus has infinite power he and the orb may be at their power limit or severely weaken.

 

Therefore Corypheus is quite beatable.

[Aren]

The poinris that it takes a lot of power to levitate part of the mountain. It also takes a lot of power to maintain that levitation. The reason that Corypheus levitates part of the mountain is to cut off reinforcements. Levitating and maintaining the levitation is a serious power drain. Also Corypheus's power is divided between him and the dragon. And Corypheus has used power to reopen and maintain the Breach. So, unless Corypheus has infinite power he and the orb may be at their power limit or severely weaken.

 

Therefore Corypheus is quite beatable.

He could have he just stop the levitation to kill the Inquisitor with the clash on the floor of the whole castle then nobody would have been able to seal the breach,thus easy win for Corypheus.

[Realmzmaster]

He could have he just stop the levitation to kill the Inquisitor with the clash on the floor of the whole castle then nobody would have been able to seal the breach,thus easy win for Corypheus.

 

He could have, but pride and ego would not allow him . He wants his hand to kill the Inquisitor personally.. Also he could not guarantee that dropping the mountain would kill the Inquisitor since the Inquisitor is able to open a passage to the Fade like done at Adamant.

[Patricia08]

No, Corypheus put the calling in the warden's head, The ritual they perform to summon the demons put them under Corypheus;s control. The warden;s unknowingly gave themselves into Corypheus's control.

 

Okay but he does need some kind of power for that to right otherwise he would not be able to do that 

[Patricia08]

He could have, but pride and ego would not allow him . He wants his hand to kill the Inquisitor personally.. Also he could not guarantee that dropping the mountain would kill the Inquisitor since the Inquisitor is able to open a passage to the Fade like done at Adamant.

 

Maybe so but at a certain point in the battle he must have realize that he was going to loose this battle. So why not a one last attempt to destroy us by opening up the earth or let the mountain fall upon us we would fall through maybe into another Fade or got crushed by the mountain. But at least that would give Cory the chance and the time of coming up with another solution to destroy us a better one   

[Patricia08]

The point is that it takes a lot of power to levitate part of the mountain. It also takes a lot of power to maintain that levitation. The reason that Corypheus levitates part of the mountain is to cut off reinforcements. Levitating and maintaining the levitation is a serious power drain. Also Corypheus's power is divided between him and the dragon. And Corypheus has used power to reopen and maintain the Breach. So, unless Corypheus has infinite power he and the orb may be at their power limit or severely weaken.

 

Therefore Corypheus is quite beatable.

 

I don't see it like that that maintaining the levitation of the mountain cost him any power. Because if that was the case why didn't the mountain fell upon us when he was defeated and dead that would lifted and stop the spell of maintaining the levitation of the mountain right. So then we should all be dead to. I did not see that when we defeated him that we dropped down and the rest of the mountain fell upon us.

 

And i do not agree with you on that that he levitated the mountain to cut of reinforcement to me the way i see it is more like he wanted to show his power and try to scare us.   

[German Soldier]

Same for the archdemon of Origins his defeat is even more unbelievable than the one of Corypheus.

[Patricia08]

Same for the archdemon of Origins his defeat is even more unbelievable than the one of Corypheus.

 

I have not played Origins yet so i did not know that and really the Archdemon is even more powerful then Cory. But yeah Corypheus is way to powerful for us 

[In Exile]

He could have he just stop the levitation to kill the Inquisitor with the clash on the floor of the whole castle then nobody would have been able to seal the breach,thus easy win for Corypheus.

I don't think he was doing it intentionally. The levitation happens whenever the fade leaks out.

[German Soldier]

I have not played Origins yet so i did not know that and really the Archdemon is even more powerful then Cory. But yeah Corypheus is way to powerful for us 

Not necessarly Corypheus abilities are better ,is the set up of DAO that  is contrived.........the archdemon did nothing until the end of the game is if  he did lost on purpose.

you played DAI first so you may find DAO graphic a bit outdated.

[Cute Nug]

It was the Quizzy's witty impassioned dialogue in the final battle that gave them the edge to defeat a clearly stronger foe.

 

Quizzy has one line meh dailogue with Cory at the beginning of the final anti-climatic battle and then is mostly silent except for boring game mechanics lines:

"The Archdemon's coming! We must fight!"

"The breach is getting bigger!"

 

All Corybits could retort with in the face of Quizzy's withering dialogue was:

 

"Words mortals often hurl at the darkness. Once they were mine. They are always lies."

"Know me, know what you have pretended to be. Exalt the Elder One! The will that is Corypheus!"

"I do not know how you survived, but what marks you as "touched." What you flail at rifts. I crafted to assault the very Heavens."

"Beg that I succeed. For I have seen the Throne of the Gods, and it was empty!"

"Tell me, where is your Maker now? Call upon Him. Call down His wrath upon me! You cannot? For He does not exist! I am Corypheus and I shall deliver from this lie in which you linger. Bow before your new God and be spared!"

"You will fall as a warning to those who oppose my divine will."

To elf Quizzy he mocks your slave tat and says: "You are nothing. A race of sniveling cowards that shrank before Tevinter power!"

"Let it end here. Let the skies boil. Let the world be rent asunder.

"Not like this! I have walked the halls of The Golden City, crossed the ages ..."

 

It was the Quizzy's amazing eloquent dialogue in the final battle that allowed them to beat a clearly stronger foe.  

[Realmzmaster]

I don't see it like that that maintaining the levitation of the mountain cost him any power. Because if that was the case why didn't the mountain fell upon us when he was defeated and dead that would lifted and stop the spell of maintaining the levitation of the mountain right. So then we should all be dead to. I did not see that when we defeated him that we dropped down and the rest of the mountain fell upon us.

 

And i do not agree with you on that that he levitated the mountain to cut of reinforcement to me the way i see it is more like he wanted to show his power and try to scare us.   

 

I don't see it like that that maintaining the levitation of the mountain cost him any power. Because if that was the case why didn't the mountain fell upon us when he was defeated and dead that would lifted and stop the spell of maintaining the levitation of the mountain right. So then we should all be dead to. I did not see that when we defeated him that we dropped down and the rest of the mountain fell upon us.

 

And i do not agree with you on that that he levitated the mountain to cut of reinforcement to me the way i see it is more like he wanted to show his power and try to scare us.   

 

The mountain did fall back to earth. The party survived the crash. Remember we are talking about people who fight dragons, pride demons and other assorted creatures and that is before breakfast. The crash of a mountain is not going to stop the party. Your mage can cast barrier on the party. The warriors have guard. With barrier cast party members can jump from usually killing heights. Also since the party is on topside and not under the mountain the only part that the party has to worry about is the sudden stop when the mountain hits the earth. Barrier will take care of the impact.

[Ieldra]

It was the Quizzy's amazing eloquent dialogue in the final battle that allowed them to beat a clearly stronger foe.  

If this is a call for more or better speeches for the protagonist, just...no!

 

I don't know why, but in Bioware's games only NPCs ever get good speeches - Bakara in ME3 comes to mind, and some of Corypheus' stuff is actually rather cool. Protagonists, on the other hand, tend to get utter crap. Whenever they try to write something for their protagonists, it ends up anywhere between forgettable - doesn't impress but also doesn't damage the protagonist, so I can forget they exist - and so cringeworthy that I''d sink into the floor in embarrassment if that came out of my loudspeakers where anyone else could hear it. So it's best if they keep things short and to the point with their protagonists. At least give me a "no speeches" option like in ME2. That was by far the best such option for a protagonist in any of their games. 

 

Which means that for the Inquisitor, I'm fine with things as they are.

[Joseph Warrick]

Corypheus was beaten by a nobody like Hawke. In terms of toughness he's just a darkspawn mage. A regular revenant is probably tougher than Cory. He was able to put an army together and to get a dragon and blow some **** up because of his smarts, but that doesn't mean he can fight.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Corypheus was beaten by a nobody like Hawke. In terms of toughness he's just a darkspawn mage. A regular revenant is probably tougher than Cory. He was able to put an army together and to get a dragon and blow some **** up because of his smarts, but that doesn't mean he can fight.

Agree with you that he is just a priest and not a perfect warrior but he had an elven Orb in DAI so unless he was not able to use it properly i don't understand why he lost,not to mention that he has the beautiful advantage of being immortal.

[Patricia08]

The mountain did fall back to earth. The party survived the crash. Remember we are talking about people who fight dragons, pride demons and other assorted creatures and that is before breakfast. The crash of a mountain is not going to stop the party. Your mage can cast barrier on the party. The warriors have guard. With barrier cast party members can jump from usually killing heights. Also since the party is on topside and not under the mountain the only part that the party has to worry about is the sudden stop when the mountain hits the earth. Barrier will take care of the impact.

 

The memory i have of that final battle after we killed Cory is that there were a view rocks that fell down upon us and then the screen went black. But okay let's say you are right and the mountain did fall back on us. Then it would be even more implausible that we survived that. No then we should all be dead and you are talking about that we were fighting Dragons,pride demons and stuff before breakfast and that we could use barriers and the Warriors their guard well to me that just sounds ridiculous. We are talking about a falling mountain here. No impossible to survive something like that then we are all gods if we would survive that that is even more implausible then my OP.    

[Patricia08]

Corypheus was beaten by a nobody like Hawke. In terms of toughness he's just a darkspawn mage. A regular revenant is probably tougher than Cory. He was able to put an army together and to get a dragon and blow some **** up because of his smarts, but that doesn't mean he can fight.

 

Maybe so but Cory grew a lot in power since then. 

[Realmzmaster]

Maybe so but Cory grew a lot in power since then. 

 

But the Inquisitor also grew in power over the course of DAI. Also Cory did not grow in power. Most of that power is coming from the orb itself. In fact if Cory did not have  immorality (in a sense) he would have died opening the orb

[Realmzmaster]

 

The memory i have of that final battle after we killed Cory is that there were a view rocks that fell down upon us and then the screen went black. But okay let's say you are right and the mountain did fall back on us. Then it would be even more implausible that we survived that. No then we should all be dead and you are talking about that we were fighting Dragons,pride demons and stuff before breakfast and that we could use barriers and the Warriors their guard well to me that just sounds ridiculous. We are talking about a falling mountain here. No impossible to survive something like that then we are all gods if we would survive that that is even more implausible then my OP.    

 

 

No I said the party was on the topside of the mountain when it fell. So the mountain did not fall on them. The party was basically on a plateau. It is quite plausible. People have survived avalanches, rock slides, volcanic eruptions and other natural disasters.People have survived falls that should kill them. Mountaineers falling with rocks fall down with them. 

[Ieldra]

I guess if you twist your mind around the implausibilities enough, you might be able to rationalize what happens. For me, though, there is a level of nonsense I'm not willing to put up with. If Corypheus could levitate a mountain, he should've swatted us like a fly. If he realized he spent too much power on it, he could've just let it go and win by default. And anyway I miss the earthquake that should've happened when all that stuff fell to ground again. And no, you won't survive a rock avalanche of that size.

 

The location setup screams "made for effect" like nothing else in the game, and also reeks of "we couldn't come up with a believable location for this fight, so we made a completely new one that fit's the boss fight we want to orchestrate". It makes no sense in several ways and causes problems with the lore. I'm not willing to be blinded by effects.

[kann.nix9mm]

No I said the party was on the topside of the mountain when it fell. So the mountain did not fall on them. The party was basically on a plateau. It is quite plausible. People have survived avalanches, rock slides, volcanic eruptions and other natural disasters.People have survived falls that should kill them. Mountaineers falling with rocks fall down with them. 

 

You have no idea of physics do you? The moment the mountain with you and your party drops your death is assured. With the armour you are wearing it only takes seconds to reach a speed that will kill you when you reach the ground, and we are speaking of a drop of a few hundred meters. The mountain drops, with you on top, smashes into the ground, meaning its movement is reduced from whatever to zero in less than a second, same happens to you, wearing all that armour and whatnot, you die. End of story.

[ArcaneEsper]

A regular revenant is probably tougher than Cory.

I'll admit I'm not the most skilled gamer, but I honestly found revenants a whole lot harder than Corypheus. Though to be honest, I feel the only really challenging boss fight is the Pride Demon in the prologue.

[In Exile]

I'll admit I'm not the most skilled gamer, but I honestly found revenants a whole lot harder than Corypheus. Though to be honest, I feel the only really challenging boss fight is the Pride Demon in the prologue.

 

Are talking about DA:I? Corypheus was a weak fight. I think Corypheus in DA2 is borderline impossible on Nightmare, but that's because of the shitty pathfinding. I usually find bosses in DA that require mobility to be a pain because the pathfinding and UI suck. 

[Patricia08]

I guess if you twist your mind around the implausibilities enough, you might be able to rationalize what happens. For me, though, there is a level of nonsense I'm not willing to put up with. If Corypheus could levitate a mountain, he should've swatted us like a fly. If he realized he spent too much power on it, he could've just let it go and win by default. And anyway I miss the earthquake that should've happened when all that stuff fell to ground again. And no, you won't survive a rock avalanche of that size.

 

The location setup screams "made for effect" like nothing else in the game, and also reeks of "we couldn't come up with a believable location for this fight, so we made a completely new one that fit's the boss fight we want to orchestrate". It makes no sense in several ways and causes problems with the lore. I'm not willing to be blinded by effects.

 

 

You have no idea of physics do you? The moment the mountain with you and your party drops your death is assured. With the armour you are wearing it only takes seconds to reach a speed that will kill you when you reach the ground, and we are speaking of a drop of a few hundred meters. The mountain drops, with you on top, smashes into the ground, meaning its movement is reduced from whatever to zero in less than a second, same happens to you, wearing all that armour and whatnot, you die. End of story.

 

I totally agree with you both we ( the Inquisitor and the companions ) would never survived that kind of drop impossible. 

[Patricia08]

No I said the party was on the topside of the mountain when it fell. So the mountain did not fall on them. The party was basically on a plateau. It is quite plausible. People have survived avalanches, rock slides, volcanic eruptions and other natural disasters.People have survived falls that should kill them. Mountaineers falling with rocks fall down with them. 

 

Well either way we would never ever have survived that kind of drop read the two threads that Ieldra and kan.nix9mm wrote and that is the end of it we the Inquisitor and the Companions are dead. And you see it your way and i see it my way and my way is more realistic then yours end of discussion.