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[Qis]

Cory should be like Gwyn in Dark Souls, you only see Gwyn in the intro, you see how epic he is defeating dragons assisted by his knights and allies, you know you have to face him, you going through all the trouble to face him, and when you finally face him he does live up to his epicness, of course some may just parry him all the way, but no one do that the first time isn't it? Everyone sure die and die again facing him the first time...

 

Gwyn appearance is scary, bad ass...his body is on fire, using giant fire sword, quick and agile, hit hard and have no mercy...he's alone and make you cry in despair...

 

That's a kind of an end boss i want to fight

[Patricia08]

Cory should be like Gwyn in Dark Souls, you only see Gwyn in the intro, you see how epic he is defeating dragons assisted by his knights and allies, you know you have to face him, you going through all the trouble to face him, and when you finally face him he does live up to his epicness, of course some may just parry him all the way, but no one do that the first time isn't it? Everyone sure die and die again facing him the first time...

 

Gwyn appearance is scary, bad ass...his body is on fire, using giant fire sword, quick and agile, hit hard and have no mercy...he's alone and make you cry in despair...

 

That's a kind of an end boss i want to fight

 

I have not yet played Dark Souls so i don't know who Gwyn is 

[Ieldra]

Cory should be like Gwyn in Dark Souls, you only see Gwyn in the intro, you see how epic he is defeating dragons assisted by his knights and allies, you know you have to face him, you going through all the trouble to face him, and when you finally face him he does live up to his epicness, of course some may just parry him all the way, but no one do that the first time isn't it? Everyone sure die and die again facing him the first time...

 

Gwyn appearance is scary, bad ass...his body is on fire, using giant fire sword, quick and agile, hit hard and have no mercy...he's alone and make you cry in despair...

 

That's a kind of an end boss i want to fight

I hate super-hard final bosses because I don't play games for the gameplay challenge, At least not this kind of game. Corypheus was implausibly easy to fight conventionally, but instead of defeating him being unavoidably super-hard and foccing a conventional fight, I'd rather have specific non-fighting mechanics that enabled me to make the fight easy through the story I was playing through. Ideally, my variant would have the possibility of doing stuff throughout the story so that when the fight comes, all it takes to win is "push the button".

[Medhia_Nox]

The war against Corypheus should have lasted over several games... just like the 1 year Blight that was beaten by a bunch of high school cliches.  

 

In fact... every DA game should have taken place during the Blight.  Regardless of how involved you were IN the Blight.  It should have always been "appeared in Ferelden" - "spreading throughout Ferelden" - appeared in spots of Nevarra and the Free Marches.  Stopped in Nevarra - spreading throughout the Free Marches.  Doesn't matter if you're not IN the Blight or dealing with the Blight... it should have been a looming backdrop of doom.  The Warden of the first game could have even beaten the advance on Ferelden... but failed to kill the Archdaemon even if he did "defeat" it.  I mean... had one of those ballista bolts... or a golem or a mage... landed the killing blow on the Archdaemon the whole thing would have been screwed.  

 

Look... the first blight lasted almost 200 years. It HAD to have surges and moments where it fell back - it couldn't have been a steady march... or it would have consumed Thedas in about five years.  

 

Corypheus could have even been the final climax to the Blight.  

 

But the fact that Thedas goes through two world shattering events in the span of about 15 years (not to mention Anders and his idiocy)... and is gearing up for two more (the Qun and Solas) is just silly. 

[Silcron]

Cory should be like Gwyn in Dark Souls, you only see Gwyn in the intro, you see how epic he is defeating dragons assisted by his knights and allies, you know you have to face him, you going through all the trouble to face him, and when you finally face him he does live up to his epicness, of course some may just parry him all the way, but no one do that the first time isn't it? Everyone sure die and die again facing him the first time...
 
Gwyn appearance is scary, bad ass...his body is on fire, using giant fire sword, quick and agile, hit hard and have no mercy...he's alone and make you cry in despair...
 
That's a kind of an end boss i want to fight

Even if you don't parry (and the black knights right before him offer excellent practice) Gwyn is easy enough once you use the pillars around to break line of sight and give you time to heal. Gwyn is an easy boss fight, the dlc bosses, Ornstein and Smough, even the Four Kings gave me more trouble.

The thing with Gwyn, and the music sets it up for you is that he hollowed on purpose. He gave all the remainder of his power and even conciousness to keep the Age of Fire going, so it makes sense that he's not that difficult. Think about it, if we fought the real Gwyn he could probably parry us and if went away throw the sunlight spears we can get from his soul. He is not there exactly to be the super hard final boss, but he is epic in that you see the price of his heroic sacrifice for what he believed in, and if you follow his footsteps and link the fire, that's how you'll end up. (And with people who did returning in DS3 I'm kinda hoping we see Gwyn again, maybe as the final boss again, and this time him being not hollow.)

Thematically Gwyn is really well crafted as a final boss, whereas Cory, well storywise he is at the same time a joke and a great threat, more so than any boss in a Souls game for that matter if we continue the comparison. Cory is a joke becauseaside the one time in Haven he doesn't feel like a threat at all, but at the same time he IS an ancient magister and hugely powerful and maybe even a greater threat than the archdemons but, the mechanics of his fight only support the joke part while the setting go to the xtreme (yes, 90s Xtreme) to show how much of a threat he can be on his own, except he's not, but he is.

That is why I don't like him like a villain. Yes, OP, Cory should win because he is that powerful and has all those minions and plans, but at the same time he cannot win because he is so pathetically weak and incompentent, exccept when he is not, but he is.

*sigh*, at least we got Solas out of it. I'm going to buy the dlcs today, so I'll finally see first hand. At least they'll keep me entertained until Dark Souls 3, because since february I have already completed DS1 and 2 two times each and I feel like I should take a break (and Lords of the Fallen wasn't it, that game may look Warhammer good, but it controls as badly as it has a strong aesthetic sadly.)

[Silcron]

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But the fact that Thedas goes through two world shattering events in the span of about 15 years (not to mention Anders and his idiocy)... and is gearing up for two more (the Qun and Solas) is just silly.

When it rains it pours? At this point I'm wondering if they have any plans for what will come after, because there is no way the status quo we discovered in DA:O can be maintained at this point. We don't even know about the rest of the world when you think about it, what is outside this PART of the continent?

[Qis]

I have not yet played Dark Souls so i don't know who Gwyn is 

 

Gwyn is the Lord of Sunlight, either he's really a God or claim to be a God, or gain divinity somehow is a talk among lore theorists, but in anyway he and 3 of his friends have some powers that make them being worshiped in the Age of Fire. But the Age of Dark is coming, the fire that give them powers diminished, so he sacrifice himself to keep the fire burning to prolong the Age of Fire by burning his soul as a fuel, and so he become the Lord of Cinder...the Chosen Undead that is the main character will either take his place by means doing the same he did or choose other way becoming the Dark Lord for the Age of Dark...

 

 

I hate super-hard final bosses because I don't play games for the gameplay challenge, At least not this kind of game. Corypheus was implausibly easy to fight conventionally, but instead of defeating him being unavoidably super-hard and foccing a conventional fight, I'd rather have specific non-fighting mechanics that enabled me to make the fight easy through the story I was playing through. Ideally, my variant would have the possibility of doing stuff throughout the story so that when the fight comes, all it takes to win is "push the button".

 

Gwyn is not super hard, really, but he have shocking values, that's the whole point...he's somewhat like the Archdemon, you see this dragon in cutscenes, hear about Archdemon powers and exploits, you're as a Grey Warden have a link to this immortal foe, at last when you finally meet him it is something you know...for me, yes...Archdemon have the impression, he can be a hard enemy to fight as the end boss the first time, untill you know the trick and having strong build and companions set up...but still Archdemon have minions to keep us busy....that's the difference with Gwyn, you hear about him, have a connection with him, you will face him, he's alone and bad ass, but when you know the trick he's not really hard..

 

All end game bosses are like that, hard the first time, a meh later, but the first impression is important, the awe, the suspense, the hype, the "i don't know what to do now", the panic...Corypheus failed at that, not only he's a DLC character players have met before, he's not live up to his reputation, and for me he does somekind of funny looking character, not intimidating at all

 

 

The thing with Gwyn, and the music sets it up for you is that he hollowed on purpose. He gave all the remainder of his power and even conciousness to keep the Age of Fire going, so it makes sense that he's not that difficult. Think about it, if we fought the real Gwyn he could probably parry us and if went away throw the sunlight spears we can get from his soul. He is not there exactly to be the super hard final boss, but he is epic in that you see the price of his heroic sacrifice for what he believed in, and if you follow his footsteps and link the fire, that's how you'll end up. (And with people who did returning in DS3 I'm kinda hoping we see Gwyn again, maybe as the final boss again, and this time him being not hollow.)

Thematically Gwyn is really well crafted as a final boss, whereas Cory, well storywise he is at the same time a joke and a great threat, more so than any boss in a Souls game for that matter if we continue the comparison. Cory is a joke becauseaside the one time in Haven he doesn't feel like a threat at all, but at the same time he IS an ancient magister and hugely powerful and maybe even a greater threat than the archdemons but, the mechanics of his fight only support the joke part while the setting go to the xtreme (yes, 90s Xtreme) to show how much of a threat he can be on his own, except he's not, but he is.

 

Yes, my point exactly...but i don't wish to meet Gwyn again, let him be a legend we only meet once in DS universe.

[kann.nix9mm]

Cory is a good example for a stupid evil villain. 

[Forsythia77]

Coryfish deserves to lose because he put too much faith in inept minions instead of doing ish himself.  By the time he faces the inquisitor he or she is equal in power to him.  So he gets what he deserves - a beat down. 

[ArcaneEsper]

Are talking about DA:I? Corypheus was a weak fight. I think Corypheus in DA2 is borderline impossible on Nightmare, but that's because of the shitty pathfinding. I usually find bosses in DA that require mobility to be a pain because the pathfinding and UI suck.

Yeah my bad, forgot to mention I was only talking about DAI.

[The Night Haunter]

Oh don't get me wrong i love to be victorious to but that should not have happened here he is just to powerful Bioware made a mistake here of making him to powerful 

I think you are mistaking Cory's power. He didn't move the earth, he tried to re-open his original rift. The rift (and the fade) are what caused the earth to move. The energy flowing out of the rift effected the real world and caused that upheaval. There is no evidence that Cory can control it any more than us. He wasn't too powerful, the Anchor is the ultimate power that comes from the Orb, and we got it instead of him. He uses the orb in the battle, but it fails him (he is not as powerful as Solas was, and he lacks the knowledge to utilize it fully) and the power of the Anchor kills him.

 

Regardless I agree that floating mountains were a bit much for the final battle, Bioware needs to a better job of sticking with its own logical realism. There is such a thing as too flashy.

[Obadiah]

I think what's missing from the final battle is a more overt message from the game or story that Corypheus is not entirely in control of all the earth lifting shenanigans in that battle. He's probably just unleashing power of the orb that he does not understand.

[Dorrieb]

 

... a man ( God ) with that kind of power that he could move the earth should be the winner of the final battle. He should open up the earth we would fall through to our deaths... But instead what do i see when i fight him some kind of red stuff Lyrium i guess ...

 

That's easy: this is Corphy you're talking about. He probably spent all his power on lifting up the earth and went, 'Ahaha! Behold my power, Inquisitor! Oh damn, I'm out of juice. Well. at least I still can't be killed as long as my dragon is alive, so hey! let's send the dragon in to fight! That's a good plan.'