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[LinksOcarina]

I am just going to re-post this in response to the people arguing lawsuits. Someone mentioned Battlefield 4 way back in the thread...

 

How did that lawsuit go, exactly?

 

Oh wait...

 

Look, I agree that consumers who are hurt or in danger due to faulty products have the right to sue, but to claim financial damages on a luxury item to begin with is a bit much, and the charges of false advertising never really stack up because of hype in general.

 

Which ties back to the problem of all of this, like I said, they are likely purposefully avoiding hyping the game up right now. If there is a problem, I will panic when Andromeda doesn't show near E3 this year. 

 

 

Someone also mentioned the FTC one for Mass Effect 3, and one by the UK as well. 

 

Now the BBB did side with players in terms of the complaints, but the BBB also is paid cash money to give good ratings to some companies...so yeah grain of salt there I guess.

[goishen]

Now the BBB did side with players in terms of the complaints, but the BBB also is paid cash money to give good ratings to some companies...so yeah grain of salt there I guess.

 

As a business owner myself, I can put this one to rest.   The BBB is nothing better than a complaint registry.  Customer calls up the BBB, customer tells BBB of said complaint, the BBB calls the company, the company denies that this ever happened, the BBB closes the complaint saying that it's in dispute.  Of course, all companies wanna look good in the BBB's eyes, because that makes them look better to end users.  But the BBB has no political power.

 

That's all that happens.

 

https://en.wikipedia...Business_Bureau

 

Scroll down to Dispute Resolution Procedures

[parico]

Every RPG is going to have bugs and issues at release. Name an RPG that didn't. It's par for the course. The question is to what extent. If DAI was on a 7/10 bugginess scale pre-delay, maybe the delay bumped it to 5/10. You don't actually know what state these games are in development, so questions about the usefulness of delays are meaningless.

If you were to try and lay out your argument with premises and a conclusion, you'd see that essentially nothing you're putting forward follows logically. We have no idea if MEA is a mess, just like we have no idea if any game is a mess.

 

Bugs are fine as long as they don't start becoming like Bethesda where the bugs keep piling up and eventually make the game unplayable and ruin your 100 hour time investment.  Bioware hasn't made a really buggy game so far.  I had no issues with Inquisition on PS4 at release.  I think the delay is more or less because EA gave them an unrealistic time frame to begin with. 
 

[pdusen]

You mean the decisions that would have an impact and stuff like that?

 

That statement is meaningless. There were more impactful decisions in DA:I overall then there were in the short PAX demo (which had a grand total of... 1. And even that is circumstantial, since we have no idea if that choice would have really changed anything else in the game outside of that same snippet of gameplay.)

[Hazegurl]

If they lie then we can sue. We hold BioWare and EA accountable for their decisions. If they make a product that in no way represents what they promoted, investors and consumers would have standing to sue EA for a lot of money.

 

You don't understand how corporations work. EA is a publicly-traded corporation. Most of their investors are average people who are likely also consumers. This game is being made and will be released because money is on the line and millions have already been invested into the project. There will never be a time when "MEA never sees the light of day and they never admit it, oh well."

Sue for what? The money you didn't spend?

 

Also, you're acting like EA/BW put together a kickstarter for MEA. An investor is investing in the company as a whole, not just one project. As long as they get a profit it doesn't matter if MEA comes out or not.

[SofaJockey]

They're reimagining the ME franchise into one of those fruit mobile games. It takes time.

 

'Krogan Crush' ...

[Robert Cousland]

Cameron Harris, a senior editor at Mass Effect developer BioWare, is leaving the studio and the games industry.

 

Yeah, this is sounding more, and more, like a disaster.

[Osena109]

Am happy it is being pushed back to be honest perhaps they will have more time to make it better.and give me more time with Legend of Zelda wii u.

[Mummy22kids]

Cameron Harris, a senior editor at Mass Effect developer BioWare, is leaving the studio and the games industry.

 

Yeah, this is sounding more, and more, like a disaster.

 

Didn't we discuss this already?

[Robert Cousland]

Didn't we discuss this already?

 

This is a new guy.

[ryla1976]

Cameron Harris, a senior editor at Mass Effect developer BioWare, is leaving the studio and the games industry.

 

Yeah, this is sounding more, and more, like a disaster.

just read that now :/ 

 

http://www.polygon.c...or-bioware-exit

 

Seems to be a lot of high profile employees, you're obviously never going to hear about the low-level ones either. 

[LinksOcarina]

This is a new guy.

 

It was also like two days ago I heard it.

 

I am curious to see what happens at this point, not alarmed yet until E3 though, like I said. 

[Killroy]

Cameron Harris, a senior editor at Mass Effect developer BioWare, is leaving the studio and the games industry.

Yeah, this is sounding more, and more, like a disaster.

If her departure had anything to do with MEA why would she be leaving the entire industry and why would she stick around for another month or so after making the announcement? There's clearly no animosity and no rush.
Stop acting like Revan.

[Kabooooom]

Well this thread pretty much went to ****. Sue bioware? Lolzokay.

Bringing entitled whiny fanboys to a whole new level.

[Revan Reborn]

Before you get too carried away with suing them... better brush up a bit on Canadian law vs. American law.

Electronic Arts is an American corporation, which happens to own BioWare. This means, the jurisdiction of this case would be in the United States and not Canada. Canadian law is in no way germane or relevant to this discussion.

 

I wouldn't not on those grounds (and because I'm not a greedy enough bastard) because every piece of media I own has had made promises and doesn't represent what I was I thought it was letdown and just getting what I was told or just being let down by a piece of entertainment is not the same as being poised by bad food, get hurt or killed by faulty car parts. 

 

Oh you could probably sue them sure on those grounds, but chances are that, in the USA at least, you would lose because it's a waste of everyone time and major multi-national companies run everything including the courts.

Contrary to popular belief, we wouldn't sue because "video game was not what I expected." This is an issue of falsely marketing a product and selling it to consumers to their detriment. Depending on the severity of this breach, it could amount to fraud and be a serious issue for EA if they were to fail to provide what was promised. You don't just state our product offers "A, B, and C" when in actuality it offers "D, E, and F." You will have standing and a right to sue for damages because you were lied to and you will win in the court of law. If corporations could say whatever they want and lie about their products all the time, you better believe they would to make them sound as amazing as they could.

 

You'd get laughed out of court but okay sure I guess

Oh I'm sure even though I've extensively studied contract law, corporations, agency law, etc. and have written opinions for a US District Court Judge. What have you done? Oh, you probably aren't even a legal professional or a lawyer... Which means you have no idea how US courts function and what cases would actually be frivolous or not.

 

Sue for what? The money you didn't spend?

 

Also, you're acting like EA/BW put together a kickstarter for MEA. An investor is investing in the company as a whole, not just one project. As long as they get a profit it doesn't matter if MEA comes out or not.

Actually, it does. If MEA fails to release, that would result in a significant fall in profits for EA that would affect their share value. Considering MEA is one of their most prized franchises and highly anticipated games, the game not releasing is not an option. As I already stated, millions have already been invested into the product and it will release because it is the purpose of a corporation to recoup the loses it has invested.

[Hazegurl]

And you have no idea what has actually been invested or what they have in store to make up the losses. Besides, I'm not saying MEA will not come out, just that it wouldn't be the end of the freaking world if it doesn't.

[In Exile]

Electronic Arts is an American corporation, which happens to own BioWare. This means, the jurisdiction of this case would be in the United States and not Canada. Canadian law is in no way germane or relevant to this discussion.

 

That's not actually how that works. Check your EULA. You'd just have a private international law dispute (or I suppose you could call it conflicts, but I've never been a fan of that nomenclature)

 

Contrary to popular belief, we wouldn't sue because "video game was not what I expected." This is an issue of falsely marketing a product and selling it to consumers to their detriment. Depending on the severity of this breach, it could amount to fraud and be a serious issue for EA if they were to fail to provide what was promised. You don't just state our product offers "A, B, and C" when in actuality it offers "D, E, and F." You will have standing and a right to sue for damages because you were lied to and you will win in the court of law. If corporations could say whatever they want and lie about their products all the time, you better believe they would to make them sound as amazing as they could.

 

I still do not see the cause of action. 

[UpUpAway]

Electronic Arts is an American corporation, which happens to own BioWare. This means, the jurisdiction of this case would be in the United States and not Canada. Canadian law is in no way germane or relevant to this discussion.

 

 

If you say so, I disagree.  However, It's your cost and coin if you do try to proceed and you lose or it gets thrown out of court.  So, I still say you'd be best advised to check it out thoroughly before going ahead.

 

BTW:  Contrary to your apparent belief - "We" wouldn't join you in suing anybody just because "a video game isn't what [you] expected.  It's highly unlikely that I would join you in suing this video game company for false advertising either.  No offense, but I'm just not inclined to risk my cost and coin on such a "spurious" action.

[prosthetic soul]

ITT: objective realism is confronted with blind optimism. 

 

I don't know about you guys but the fact that Bioware hasn't seemed to post in this topic or (on the entire board in about two months) is very telling.  And concerning.  I know they tend to have less of a presence since "that incident" but I have yet to see a single BIOWARE in red lettering next to any thread for a LONG ass time.   Someone screencap this in case my fears turn out to be valid. 

[UpUpAway]

ITT: objective realism is confronted with blind optimism. 

 

I don't know about you guys but the fact that Bioware hasn't seemed to post in this topic or (on the entire board in about two months) is very telling.  And concerning. 

 

Maybe they're actually working on the game instead of spending all their time doling out "bottles and blankies" to everyone.

 

Yeah, they're a company that's taken a few staff hits in the past few months... so that probably means everyone who's left has to work a little harder to try to get this game out without even longer delays and maintain a reasonable quality.

[Obliviousmiss]

 

I don't know about you guys but the fact that Bioware hasn't seemed to post in this topic or (on the entire board in about two months) is very telling.  

 

Jos posts in the twitter thread often, and a few others in the past few weeks, but I haven't seen any other devs. 

 

 

Maybe they're actually working on the game instead of spending all their time doling out "bottles and blankies" to everyone.

 

 

[hotdogbsg]

I like the lack of info we've had so far. In my opinion, ME3 and in particular DA:I gave us too much information about gameplay, plot and characters beforehand. At the current rate of going my hope is we get a bit of an info dump in June and a few more drips and drabs in the months lead up to release and not much else.

[Zatche]

I remember when Bioware started pulling a Beyonce with their DAI DLC. They even stated that they were trying a new approach with regards to releasing info. Seems reasonable to me that they're simply keeping with that approach.

[CronoDragoon]

Regenerating health was just replaced with having to fast travel back to camp every time you ran out of pots.

 

Not a huge improvement.

 

 

I ran out of potions maybe twice on Nightmare in DAI. This criticism is equivalent to saying, "Yeah but they just replaced regenerating health with dying more often and getting loading screens." Yes, the point was to make you think about when you are using your potions. Should I really pop this potion or can I get by without it? This question of limited resources is the core of strategic thinking in DAI that informs your tactical thinking. If you are constantly running out of potions, then either the difficulty is too high for you or you haven't done a good job fighting.

[Steelcan]

there's tactical and strategic thinking?  I just spam elemental barrage and spirit blade