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[Revan Reborn]

And you have no idea what has actually been invested or what they have in store to make up the losses. Besides, I'm not saying MEA will not come out, just that it wouldn't be the end of the freaking world if it doesn't.

I don't need to have an "idea" to know EA has invested tens of millions of dollars into MEA. That is standard for a AAA franchise of this caliber. Again, EA would lose a lot more by having squandered this money on a highly anticipated product that never released. They would have to recoup their losses somehow, which would be likely impossible if MEA did not release for investors to see a return on the money that was used. This has nothing to do with it being "the end of the freaking world." You just don't understand how corporations function.

 

That's not actually how that works. Check your EULA. You'd just have a private international law dispute (or I suppose you could call it conflicts, but I've never been a fan of that nomenclature)

 

 

 

I still do not see the cause of action. 

You literally have no idea what you are talking about. International law has no relevance over California Law (where EA is based) or Federal Law. Perhaps you should read the EULA? EA makes it abundantly clear the only place you'd be able to bring a suit would be in the United States. Really, lets not get into this if you are just going to make stuff up without citing any evidence for your baseless assertions.

 

http://na.llnet.eado...ula/en/eula.pdf

 

If you say so, I disagree.  However, It's your cost and coin if you do try to proceed and you lose or it gets thrown out of court.  So, I still say you'd be best advised to check it out thoroughly before going ahead.

 

BTW:  Contrary to your apparent belief - "We" wouldn't join you in suing anybody just because "a video game isn't what [you] expected.  It's highly unlikely that I would join you in suing this video game company for false advertising either.  No offense, but I'm just not inclined to risk my cost and coin on such a "spurious" action.

It's a good thing you aren't a judge then, as you know nothing about corporate law or contract law. Sony has been sued and lost various times due to their ineptitude and consumers have actually received compensatory damages. More than likely, what would happen is EA would just settle the case rather than letting it go to trial and pay off whoever the plaintiffs are with a few million dollars. Big corporations don't generally like to deal with long and costly litigation.

 

there's tactical and strategic thinking?  I just spam elemental barrage and spirit blade

Considering how overpowered and broken some classes are in DAI, I also fail to see what is "tactical and strategic thinking" about the game. If you even have the slightest understanding of how holy trinity works and how to manage a party, the game is simple on any difficulty.

[CronoDragoon]

Hey, take it up with Heathen. He's the one who kept running out of potions.

[UpUpAway]

I don't need to have an "idea" to know EA has invested tens of millions of dollars into MEA. That is standard for a AAA franchise of this caliber. Again, EA would lose a lot more by having squandered this money on a highly anticipated product that never released. They would have to recoup their losses somehow, which would be likely impossible if MEA did not release for investors to see a return on the money that was used. This has nothing to do with it being "the end of the freaking world." You just don't understand how corporations function.

 

You literally have no idea what you are talking about. International law has no relevance over California Law (where EA is based) or Federal Law. Perhaps you should read the EULA? EA makes it abundantly clear the only place you'd be able to bring a suit would be in the United States. Really, lets not get into this if you are just going to make stuff up without citing any evidence for your baseless assertions.

 

http://na.llnet.eado...ula/en/eula.pdf

 

It's a good thing you aren't a judge then, as you know nothing about corporate law or contract law. Sony has been sued and lost various times due to their ineptitude and consumers have actually received compensatory damages. More than likely, what would happen is EA would just settle the case rather than letting it go to trial and pay off whoever the plaintiffs are with a few million dollars. Big corporations don't generally like to deal with long and costly litigation.

 

Considering how overpowered and broken some classes are in DAI, I also fail to see what is "tactical and strategic thinking" about the game. If you even have the slightest understanding of how holy trinity works and how to manage a party, the game is simple on any difficulty.

 

Oh, so I guess you believe that it's consistently wise to run around suing everyone just on the assumption that you can get a settlement out of court.  I'm inclined to believe you favor standing out in the middle of the street just waiting for cars to hit you as a great way to make a living.  Sorry, I'm more cautious than you... I also suspect that caution has served me well for many years longer than your apparent lack of it has served you.  Forgive me for merely recommending that you be cautious... won't do it again.  (BTW, have you noticed that any assumptions you've made about the details of my initial statement and the purpose of it were constructed totally in your own mind?)  Go ahead and sue them... "we" won't be joining you.

[DarthSliver]

Well I could tell you why it has been delayed but people on these forums don't like that kinda answer jk lol

 

 

But delays are not necessary a bad things. Lets not make problems out of things that are not a problem you know.

[Angry_Elcor]

We've gone from crazy to something else. This started by declaring that the sky is falling because of a release delay, despite the fact that delays of software release dates are utterly commonplace in the industry. And now it's a declaration that people can - and should - sue over a game that is not scheduled to be released for a year, based on shortcomings that are purely imagined.

 

I've thought about it, and I say go for it.

 

 

I can't bring myself to interfere with something that has the potential to be entertaining.

[pdusen]

I don't know about you guys but the fact that Bioware hasn't seemed to post in this topic or (on the entire board in about two months) is very telling.

It's not, and saying that it is over and over again will change nothing.

[LinksOcarina]

Well I could tell you why it has been delayed but people on these forums don't like that kinda answer jk lol

 

 

But delays are not necessary a bad things. Lets not make problems out of things that are not a problem you know.

 

I am waiting until June to hold judgement basically if we hear very little or see very little at their pre-E3 show then I think there is something to all of this.

 

Most pragmatic instead of shouting the sky is falling, at least. 

[Fade9wayz]

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That gif... A lemurian eating pop-corn with a silver fork in hand. The world has reached new levels of awesomness.

[Revan Reborn]

Oh, so I guess you believe that it's consistently wise to run around suing everyone just on the assumption that you can get a settlement out of court.  I'm inclined to believe you favor standing out in the middle of the street just waiting for cars to hit you as a great way to make a living.  Sorry, I'm more cautious than you... I also suspect that caution has served me well for many years longer than your apparent lack of it has served you.  Forgive me for merely recommending that you be cautious... won't do it again.  (BTW, have you noticed that any assumptions you've made about the details of my initial statement and the purpose of it were constructed totally in your own mind?)  Go ahead and sue them... "we" won't be joining you.

You don't understand where I'm coming from at all. I'm not trying to get an easy buck out of EA. All I want is to hold them accountable for how they create their games and to not provide us with heaps of crap at release. We've had the lead writer, the senior development director, and the senior editor all leave BioWare Montreal within these last few months. We've had no explanation from BioWare and all we received was a delay for a game that is nowhere near release. Games that are that far away from their release don't get delayed for no reason. If you actually notice, most games that receive delays are generally within months of their release date, not nine months away from release. MEA is having developmental issues, and we can only hope three senior staff leaving is not reflective of a failing product.

 

Well I could tell you why it has been delayed but people on these forums don't like that kinda answer jk lol

 

 

But delays are not necessary a bad things. Lets not make problems out of things that are not a problem you know.

As I stated in the post above, delays this far away from release are not common place. Most games that will receive a delay generally are only a few months from release. MEA was nowhere clear approaching its original release window and was delayed without explanation. That is highly unusual, especially when senior staff seem to be leaving one at a time.

 

I am waiting until June to hold judgement basically if we hear very little or see very little at their pre-E3 show then I think there is something to all of this.

 

Most pragmatic instead of shouting the sky is falling, at least. 

There's nothing wrong with noticing a steady trend of senior staff leaving as well as a delay when the game is nowhere near its projected release window. I don't know what state the game is currently in, but it's apparently it is having some sort of developmental issues. This kind of delay is incredibly unusual and we can only hope the showing at E3 is a positive one.

[FKA_Servo]

That gif... A lemurian eating pop-corn with a silver fork in hand. The world has reached new levels of awesomness.

 

They always look like they're about to cry, though. It breaks my heart.

[goishen]

 how holy trinity works and how to manage a party, the game is simple on any difficulty.

 

Did you literally just say the two magic words?  First off, you need a healer.  Which DA:I doesn't have.  It has a damage mitigator.  Big difference.

 

 

 

[Revan Reborn]

Did you literally just say the two magic words?  First off, you need a healer.  Which DA:I doesn't have.  It has a damage mitigator.  Big difference.

Not at all, actually. Healing is damage mitigation in its most basic understanding. It's just another method similar to tanking in which you can reduce the amount of damage an enemy is dealing out. They both achieve the same goal of making enemies less effective and bolstering survivability of your side.

[goishen]

Not at all, actually. Healing is damage mitigation in its most basic understanding. It's just another method similar to tanking in which you can reduce the amount of damage an enemy is dealing out. They both achieve the same goal of making enemies less effective and bolstering survivability of your side.

 

 

Then why didn't you say the holy duality?  Tanks and DPS?  I mean, if we're leaving healers out of it, why not leave tanks out of it as well?  Because we're all doing DPS according to the aforementioned leaving out of healers?  I will give you this, the holy trinity does exist, but not in this world. 

 

Leave it where it belongs, in MMO's and min/maxers.

[Kel Riever]

You know it is supposed to be called Mass Effect 4.

Not Mass Effect Andromeda.

Probably all the delay is in re-correcting that.

[CronoDragoon]

Not at all, actually. Healing is damage mitigation in its most basic understanding. It's just another method similar to tanking in which you can reduce the amount of damage an enemy is dealing out. They both achieve the same goal of making enemies less effective and bolstering survivability of your side.

 

Healing is not like damage mitigation. One is reactive to damage, the other is pro-active in preventing damage. Yes, they both contribute to keeping your party alive. So does tanking and so does damage dealing. You are casting a net so wide that you'd be unable to make any meaningful distinction between roles.

[Mummy22kids]

Well this is what I read in the EULA- Now I'm not a lawyer but what I get from this is "You pays your money and you takes your chances"

 

 

 

THE ENTIRE RISK OF SATISFACTORY QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE RESIDES WITH YOU. EA AND EA’S LICENSORS (COLLECTIVELY EA FOR PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION AND SECTION 6) DO NOT MAKE, AND HEREBY DISCLAIM, ANY AND ALL EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR ,STATUTORY WARRANTIES INCLUDING IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, 32919v4 SATISFACTORY QUALITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, NONINFRINGEMENT OF THIRD PARTY RIGHTS, AND WARRANTIES (IF ANY) ARISING FROM A COURSE OF DEALING, USAGE, OR TRADE PRACTICE. EA DOES NOT WARRANT AGAINST INTERFERENCE WITH YOUR ENJOYMENT OF THE SOFTWARE; THAT THE SOFTWARE WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS; THAT OPERATION OF THE SOFTWARE WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED OR ERROR-FREE, OR THAT THE SOFTWARE WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE OR THAT ANY ERRORS IN THE SOFTWARE WILL BE CORRECTED.

[AresKeith]

If they lie then we can sue. We hold BioWare and EA accountable for their decisions. If they make a product that in no way represents what they promoted, investors and consumers would have standing to sue EA for a lot of money.

 

You don't understand how corporations work. EA is a publicly-traded corporation. Most of their investors are average people who are likely also consumers. This game is being made and will be released because money is on the line and millions have already been invested into the project. There will never be a time when "MEA never sees the light of day and they never admit it, oh well."

 

[prosthetic soul]

I love when Ares posts this gif .  It usually means he doesn't actually have a rebuttal.   Let me argue both sides of the fence, for both our sake's.

 

It's alright to be mad if you don't like a game for whatever reason.  It's alright if the game is terrible too.  Because then that means you just made a poor decision and should have done your research.  However, false promotions and exaggerated claims are literally the same thing which belong in two different categories-one of which is illegal, the other being highly HIGHLY dubious.  What am I talking about? 

 

False advertisement.

Bait and switch 

 

-respectively. 

 

A game company which partakes in false advertising is breaking the law.  A game company skirting that law is basically bait and switch.  This is objective truth.  I am not trying to say any one game necessarily contained either of these business transgressions.  But you are wrong if you think those two things are just some nebulous idea that has no basis in a civilized society.  These are actual terms which still exist in modern business ethics.  And they CAN be applied to video games. 

[AresKeith]

I love when Ares posts this gif .  It usually means he doesn't actually have a rebuttal.

 

And I love when you make baseless assumptions 

[straykat]

Even if it's not baseless, I can't even begin to care about Mass Effect enough to sue them.

[AresKeith]

Even if it's not baseless, I can't even begin to care about Mass Effect enough to sue them.

 

I'd say good luck to anyone trying to sue without getting laughed out the building

[FKA_Servo]

I'm still confused about how "bad writing" constitutes "false advertising."

 

But then, this is sort of a silly thread in the first place.

[prosthetic soul]

And I love when you make baseless assumptions 

More like inference (calculated guess). Nice backpedaling though instead of proving me wrong. 

[AresKeith]

More like inference (calculated guess). Nice backpedaling though instead of proving me wrong. 

 

Ok? 

[prosthetic soul]

Ok? 

Or....just be apathetic.  That's fine too.  Don't make obnoxious gifs if you can't back it up with a rebuttal.  It tends to grate on people.  Including me.  If you wish to continue making a fool out of yourself, don't stop on my account.