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More delays and no news? What's really going on with MEA?


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Ah, Corporations 101, that class was hard man. I was pretty baked that semester at Wharton so maybe that explains why I don't have your comprehensive knowledge of "corporations".

 

I work for one. 

 

The bureaucracies at corporations can be just as bad as governments. 



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It depends what you construe as "minor." Again, DAI had a month delay and the game still had bugs and issues at release. Did that month delay really solve a lot when it was meant for "polishing"?


Every RPG is going to have bugs and issues at release. Name an RPG that didn't. It's par for the course. The question is to what extent. If DAI was on a 7/10 bugginess scale pre-delay, maybe the delay bumped it to 5/10. You don't actually know what state these games are in development, so questions about the usefulness of delays are meaningless.

If you were to try and lay out your argument with premises and a conclusion, you'd see that essentially nothing you're putting forward follows logically. We have no idea if MEA is a mess, just like we have no idea if any game is a mess.
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A yearly delay can only be a GOOD thing, normally. But with the lead developer leaving so soon..


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I think that we'll all be completely blown away by this game once we see it. 

 

I think that once we see it we'll be completely blown away by the fact that we have nothing.  No places to eat, sleep, use the facilities, or anything.  What this means is that we'll prolly see asari returning, because they're so well...   Matronly.   So, we've gotta get all that settled before we can move on to anything else, like making an economy that works for everyone.  What this means is that we'll prolly see volus returning in ME:A.  What this means is that point two ties back into point one.  An oxygen rich atmosphere wouldn't work well for a volus.  So, therefore, you've gotta find a home for them as well.

 

Then you've gotta make an economy.  So, what to make first?  Well, I'm thinking mining is first up on the list.  Without metal you can't have anything, weapons, armor, spaceships.  After that, I'm thinking weapons are first on the list.  What this means is that while krogan have a strong and redundant nervous system, vorcha are likely gonna be the name of the game here.  Without weapons, you can't do anything.  Then armor.  But you're free to go with whatever you choose.  With weapons, you can take over starships.  With the converted starships (and I'm thinking Titanfall in space w/ destructible environments) you can have Spaceports and used starship dealers. 

 

And all that's just the base game, or at least it is in my head.  Then you've got the mysteries of Andromeda and all the races there and how to communicate with them.  So, all in all, I'm thinking that this game is gonna be a very "from the ground up" kind'a game.  And I'm kind'a excited.

 

EDIT :  Add to this a kind of faction system that is based off'a how much you hear the enemy saying relates to how much you can understand them.  That would very cool.



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If EA release a new Titanfall game in October and Battlefield in November where is Mass Effect fitting in? It isn't. They need a huge release the first quarter of 2017 and it fits perfectly. I still don't see the issue. Its not like you have inside information or that every developer works the same way.

Mass Effect is an RPG shooter, not a first person shooter. Those are two entirely different markets and they do not impact the other. If anything, MEA would potentially hurt its sales releasing in Q1 2017 due to most consumers doing most of their purchasing during the holiday season.

 

Ah, Corporations 101, that class was hard man. I was pretty baked that semester at Wharton so maybe that explains why I don't have your comprehensive knowledge of "corporations".

Considering I'm in law school and I have studied corporations and how they function, I wouldn't be surprised if my legal understanding was a bit more informed than your layman understanding.

 

Every RPG is going to have bugs and issues at release. Name an RPG that didn't. It's par for the course. The question is to what extent. If DAI was on a 7/10 bugginess scale pre-delay, maybe the delay bumped it to 5/10. You don't actually know what state these games are in development, so questions about the usefulness of delays are meaningless.

If you were to try and lay out your argument with premises and a conclusion, you'd see that essentially nothing you're putting forward follows logically. We have no idea if MEA is a mess, just like we have no idea if any game is a mess.

Major premise: Most games that are delayed generally have stumbled releases.

Minor premise: Mass Effect Andromeda has been delayed.

Conclusion: Therefore, Mass Effect Andromeda will likely have a stumbled release.

 

There is the syllogism you were asking for. There is nothing about it that doesn't follow "logically."

 

On the contrary, we often do know when games are in trouble. It depends on how the developer delays the game and their reasoning for doing so.


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Mass Effect is an RPG shooter, not a first person shooter. Those are two entirely different markets and they do not impact the other. If anything, MEA would potentially hurt its sales releasing in Q1 2017 due to most consumers doing most of their purchasing during the holiday season.

That has nothing to do with anything. EA is out to cash in as much as possible for each game they release regardless of genre. If Respawn and DICE already had these release windows decided before ME:A they would take priority. Also its mostly January which is a lackluster month for game releases. It has has been proven time and time again that February and March does not suffer major holiday backlash. Didn't Mass Effect 3 release in March? Isn't it the best selling Mass Effect game at launch? Yes it is. 


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EA: "Mass Effect will be release between Jan-Mar 2017."

 

*BioWare Fans panicking*

 

Fan 1: "OMG THIS GAME IS DOOMED!"

Fan 2: "BioWare is a sinking ship! Delays Delays Delays!"

Fan 3: "There is major development issues with Mass Effect"

Fan 4: "OMG ANOTHER DA:I!"

 

Me: "Calm down people, no official release date given, and unless you work for BioWare/EA you have no clue what's really going on or how far along the game is."


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EA/BioWare really can't win can they?  

 

Release information too early and people end up getting over hyped and speculating in the extreme.  Hold back and they whine they're not getting enough information.

 

Release the game too early and everyone complains they rushed it.  Hold back and give it the time it needs and some ppl start complaining they're taking too long and it's a conspiracy.

 

Tell me, what the hell are they supposed to do?


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EA/BioWare really can't win can they?  

 

Release information too early and people end up getting over hyped and speculating in the extreme.  Hold back and they whine they're not getting enough information.

 

Release the game too early and everyone complains they rushed it.  Hold back and give it the time it needs and some ppl start complaining they're taking too long and it's a conspiracy.

 

Tell me, what the hell are they supposed to do?

 

Throw their hands up in the air in the privacy of their offices. 


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EA/BioWare really can't win can they?  

 

Release information too early and people end up getting over hyped and speculating in the extreme.  Hold back and they whine they're not getting enough information.

 

Release the game too early and everyone complains they rushed it.  Hold back and give it the time it needs and some ppl start complaining they're taking too long and it's a conspiracy.

 

Tell me, what the hell are they supposed to do?

 

Give EA's track record, I believe most people view EA has an evil corporation out for our wallets and world domination.  But what video game company isn't out for our wallets?  BioWare has made mistakes, and so has EA.  But every game BioWare has put out has been amazing.  Yes, some games may not be their best work, but it's still quite enjoyable.

 

I think because given EA's history added with the mistakes of DA:I and ME3's ending.. People are up in arms.


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I think they've made some inroads to get to the point of looking out for both their wallets and the fun of gamers, what with the Origin's 24 hour "no questions asked" return policy.  But they haven't gotten there yet.


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Major premise: Most games that are delayed generally have stumbled releases.
Minor premise: Mass Effect Andromeda has been delayed.
Conclusion: Therefore, Mass Effect Andromeda will likely have a stumbled release.
 
There is the syllogism you were asking for. There is nothing about it that doesn't follow "logically."


Where's all the crap about lack of marketing implying bad things? Or are you walking all that back and just focusing on this probabilistic argument? If, so, fair enough, here's my equally valid counterargument:

Premise 1: Most games that are delayed generally don't have stumbled releases
Premise 2: Mass Effect has been delayed
Conclusion: Mass Effect probably won't have a stumbled release.

Since I sincerely doubt you actually feel like doing research into a large pool of delayed games and how they turned out, I'll settle for a mutual "who the hell knows."
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Mass Effect is an RPG shooter, not a first person shooter. Those are two entirely different markets and they do not impact the other. If anything, MEA would potentially hurt its sales releasing in Q1 2017 due to most consumers doing most of their purchasing during the holiday season.

 

Considering I'm in law school and I have studied corporations and how they function, I wouldn't be surprised if my legal understanding was a bit more informed than your layman understanding.

 

Major premise: Most games that are delayed generally have stumbled releases.

Minor premise: Mass Effect Andromeda has been delayed.

Conclusion: Therefore, Mass Effect Andromeda will likely have a stumbled release.

 

There is the syllogism you were asking for. There is nothing about it that doesn't follow "logically."

 

On the contrary, we often do know when games are in trouble. It depends on how the developer delays the game and their reasoning for doing so.

 

I can remember one comic saying something like..

 

  • Women don't lose their hair
  • Aliens don't lose their hair

 

Therefore, all women are aliens.

 

It's bull snot.  Two logical assumptions (no matter how correct they are) don't make for a third logical assumption.


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I'm a realist. Delays, contrary to popular belief, are something no developer wants if they can help it. They only happen because the game is not in the condition that was anticipated by the studio. The real question is whether this delay will help in any meaningful way to make the game ready with only a few extra months of development. Holiday 2016 is no time soon. If BioWare is already making delays now, it doesn't give one a whole lot of confidence for the condition the game is currently in.

A realist bases their assumptions on facts. Doomsayers proclaim defeat before the first speedbump.

Recognizing issues early could also be a sign of the team being well aware of the issues and on top of them. We know too little so it could mean anything. This game development has been uncharacteristicly under wraps and secretive.

We barely know what BW would consider a sucess or acceptable other than the Optimisation and bug issues. They could pull cool features in the last minute and we would be none the wiser. Even if it might be a loss for the gamers, we wouldn't be likely know to be upset about it.

Some of might make a post or thread about having wanted more, but it likely wouldn't get beyond that.

 

I guess we might be learning more in 3 months, when they feel ready to tell us about stuff that they feel confident about without spoiling the game and story.


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EA: Let me see thE final product!

 

*1 week later*

 

EA: What the!? There is too much content in this game, cut it in half and resell one half as DLC. 

 

Bioware: But....

 

EA: NOW!

That's a nice old joke 


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It worked for Bethesda and Fallout 4. I actually preferred their approach of solidifying the game's content before showcasing anything substantial. Better that than have a situation like Inquisition's behind closed doors demo leaking and showing off content that unfortunately never made the main game (such as the variation of Keeps etc). At least this way, the content that actually is in the game will be more locked down.



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"More delays"? This is the first delay.


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A yearly delay can only be a GOOD thing, normally. But with the lead developer leaving so soon..


It does seem quite an early departure, given today's news. Especially since the writing was being tweaked on ME3 up until a few months before release.

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A yearly delay can only be a GOOD thing, normally. But with the lead developer leaving so soon..

 

Lead developer? That's not even a position in the company. The hell are you talking about?


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OP, chill out. Take deep breath. Play a video game. Whatever bring your blood pressure down. It's a year till the game comes out, and if you keep at it like this, your going to get an ulcer.
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Protip: Never believe the advertised release window shown at an E3 teaser, especially in a BioWare game. 

 

I can't even remember the last time BioWare managed to meet a projected release date.

 

I like what CD Projekt did with 2077.

 

"Released when ready"

 

:P


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Don't mind even a year delay as long as MEA won't be crappy like DAI.



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I like what CD Projekt did with 2077.

 

"Released when ready"

 

:P

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Except TW3 was unoptimized and buggy at launch. It took several months of CDPR polishing and patching before the game was truly working as intended. Its performance is absolutely spectacular now, but don't fool yourself into believing it was great at release. That is revisionist history and wearing rose-colored glasses. I played the game at launch. I know it was far from perfect. It wasn't the disaster Batman Arkham Knight was, which was also delayed several times, but TW3 wasn't perfect either.

 

 

Nothing is perfect, especially anything made by humans. I will save you a lot of trouble ME:A will have bugs, glitches, and problems at launch. There will also be patches, fixes, and updates to correct them.


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Premise 1: Most games that are delayed generally don't have stumbled releases
Premise 2: Mass Effect has been delayed
Conclusion: Mass Effect probably won't have a stumbled release.

Since I sincerely doubt you actually feel like doing research into a large pool of delayed games and how they turned out, I'll settle for a mutual "who the hell knows."


I suspect if we did the research, including factors like studio history, engine experience, and so forth, we'd end up with something really unsatisfactory. Say, ME:A has gone from a 17% of being a bug-filled mess to a 23% chance, while the 5% chance of it being absolutely unplayable on some of the intended platforms is now down to 2%.