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[Revan Reborn]

Depends on how many lines the antagonist has.  If it was like Loghain or Saren, being largely absent most of the plot, it probably wouldn't be prohibitively expensive to tap the voice actor for another performance (Assuming same voice actors).  Animations would probably be just a matter of swapping the models out.

 

Though I don't think such an approach would be worth it or add much more.

 

I agree, though in relation to your resonse to Akabra: what if they were twins?  What if the antagonist boasted a slightly altered face to your created character?  ...Might be too close to Citadel now that I think about it.

Yeah I just remembered Fake Shepard. Clearly, BioWare would want to handle this in a way where they don't make a mockery out of the protagonist and the antagonist. That would be interesting though if the actual facial features of the antagonist were somewhat based off how you create your own character.

 

The voicework is the only problem, but how many lines does a villain like Saren have? Or Loghain? Is it really that much of a stretch? It would need a great buildup though, something Fallout 4 lacked. Atleast an hour or two to get you invested, and make the conflict personal and more. A civil war on the Ark? Nothing needs to be"I am the hero i need to stop this threat". It can simply be "I need to win this fight by any means necessary". 

This is true. It ultimately depends how much of a role Ryder would have. Saren and Loghain had relatively minor parts in the larger scheme of things. It's definitely an interesting idea and I like the sound of it. This would be a way of resolving the issues Fallout 4 had and by doing something BioWare has never really tackled before.

[Heimdall]

Yeah I just remembered Fake Shepard. Clearly, BioWare would want to handle this in a way where they don't make a mockery out of the protagonist and the antagonist. That would be interesting though if the actual facial features of the antagonist were somewhat based off how you create your own character.

In DA2, I believe the family models were tied to the presets in the CC (Which works when the player uses the preset at least as a base like I tend to), and the game then did an additional pass for the character's skintone.

[Onewomanarmy]

This is very interesting. Thank you Revan

[ZipZap2000]

I don't even care anymore, that's how long I've been waiting for information about it.

F*ck Ryder.

[Rainbow Wyvern]

Whoever Ryder is, I hope they are definitely not the protagonist. I see too many Ryder moving trucks, it's just weird. Would rather he not be the protagonist's sibling, though. That would probably result in the protagonist being called Ryder   

[Revan Reborn]

Whoever Ryder is, I hope they are definitely not the protagonist. I see too many Ryder moving trucks, it's just weird. Would rather he not be the protagonist's sibling, though. That would probably result in the protagonist being called Ryder   

Not necessarily. They could be half siblings with different fathers. Ryder could have just been a name the antagonist took on during his military service. BioWare really has the flexibility to do whatever they want. I just wouldn't assume that Ryder is the protagonist as so many here have already done. We don't know. He could very well be the antagonist to the game.

[wright1978]

I actually felt the family dynamic to DAII added a lot to the story. I wasn't entirely thrilled by the mother's inevitable death, but overall it was a much more personal story that really did add to the sense of attachment. I think it would be great if MEA certainly was taking queues from that story as well as taking it in new directions if Ryder turns out to be the antagonist and related to the protagonist.

 

I very much enjoyed the somewhat malleable sibling relationship element of the story, though i think the mother element was underdeveloped and too static.

[Killroy]

A lot of the ideas in DA2 could have been awesome if fleshed out properly, but alas. At least MEA has more than a year to make a friggin AAA game.

[Shinobu]

I wonder if they might go even further to try and create a connection by making Ryder related to our protagonist. Ie brother/sister.

Well, the song is Ghost RiderS in the Sky.

[N7Jamaican]

I don't want a recycling of ME1's plot.  Which, N7 rogue = rogue specter. No thanks.

[Heimdall]

I don't want a recycling of ME1's plot. Which, N7 rogue = rogue specter. No thanks.

Maybe they'll twist it around.

Maybe we'll be framed as the rogue operative and have to clear our name while running from the authorities+the real conspiracy.

[pkypereira]

I don't want a recycling of ME1's plot.  Which, N7 rogue = rogue specter. No thanks.

 

I actually thought the plot was interesting, but I would have preferred more battles against Saren instead of just 30 seconds on Virmire and then the final battle on the Citadel.

[N7Jamaican]

I actually thought the plot was interesting, but I would have preferred more battles against Saren instead of just 30 seconds on Virmire and then the final battle on the Citadel.

 

I like that plot too and I too wanted more encounters, maybe an actual hand-to-hand combat scene too.

 

Maybe they'll twist it around.

Maybe we'll be framed as the rogue operative and have to clear our name while running from the authorities+the real conspiracy.

 

 That would be interesting, we'll soon find out, 100 more days lol.  My countdown has begun.  EA PLAY!

[Revan Reborn]

Maybe they'll twist it around.

Maybe we'll be framed as the rogue operative and have to clear our name while running from the authorities+the real conspiracy.

That would be interesting as well. Would be a rough way to start the game if you have no allies or friends, but it certainly has potential.

 

A possibility with this scenario is that we are put in a situation where we are forced to save the ARK or everybody would die otherwise. This could lead to the antagonist accusing us of treason and causing a forced exile from the ARK.

[Killroy]

I actually thought the plot was interesting, but I would have preferred more battles against Saren instead of just 30 seconds on Virmire and then the final battle on the Citadel.

That's a tricky proposition. If you fight the antagonist numerous times before the climax and best him you run the risk of the antagonist coming off as weak and bumbling, like Corypheus in Inquisition. If you lose to the antagonist then you run the risk of making the protagonist seem weak and the antagonist seem silly for letting the hero escape.

[wright1978]

That's a tricky proposition. If you fight the antagonist numerous times before the climax and best him you run the risk of the antagonist coming off as weak and bumbling, like Corypheus in Inquisition. If you lose to the antagonist then you run the risk of making the protagonist seem weak and the antagonist seem silly for letting the hero escape.

 

Digital interaction similar to TIM i think makes sense to avoid such situation and yet allow trading of words.

[Killroy]

Digital interaction similar to TIM i think makes sense to avoid such situation and yet allow trading of words.

 

We had that with Saren as well. Remember when he had that needlessly huge and looming hologram at the Council session? 

[UpUpAway]

That's a tricky proposition. If you fight the antagonist numerous times before the climax and best him you run the risk of the antagonist coming off as weak and bumbling, like Corypheus in Inquisition. If you lose to the antagonist then you run the risk of making the protagonist seem weak and the antagonist seem silly for letting the hero escape.

 

...or you can just make the antagonist seem weak and bumbling by having him just off himself at the end just because the protagonist has a "charm" or "renegade" option they can use. 

[Killroy]

...or you can just make the antagonist seem weak and bumbling by having him just off himself at the end just because the protagonist has a "charm" or "renegade" option they can use. 

 

Internal moral and existential conflict makes you weak and bumbling?

[KoorahUK]

Maybe they'll twist it around.

Maybe we'll be framed as the rogue operative and have to clear our name while running from the authorities+the real conspiracy.

Yeah that's a great idea. I would love to be 'on the run' while trying to find allies to help clear my name. Has a Lion King kinda vibe but with Krogan instead of a warthog.

[UpUpAway]

Internal moral and existential conflict makes you weak and bumbling?

 

No, but going from the badass of the universe to the epitome of such angst in a NY minute just because someone asks "Are you insane?" does.  I much prefer the playthroughs where I've opted to ignore those P/R options and fought him instead.  IMHO, ME1 really just sets up a boring number of suicides overall and none of them are really well developed. (Not really sure they do any better with TIMs in ME3... I usually shoot him as well,)

[Killroy]

No, but going from the badass of the universe to the epitome of such angst in a NY minute just because someone asks "Are you insane?" does.

 

But that's not what happened. The groundwork was laid on Virmire.

[Vox Draco]

Let's see ... the basic premise of MEA is our protagonist is some kind of scout/explorer visiting new planets to find a potential home for our colonists back at the ARK?

 

So Ryder ... a sibling? Or a rival operative in the veins of Mr. Saren? If so, what will be their motivation to be anti? Another poweful ancient race mind-dominating them? Could do without actually...

 

Good old power-hunger? Ryder wants to take the chance and declare him/hersel ruler of a new mankind-domain, shaping the new colony after her own image? I never mind a moustache-twirling villain, if he poses a good threat and has some personality. But I see already the "fans" complain about sterotype-villain etc...

 

Or maybe Ryder is only the Kai-Leng of the above, a group of people on the ARK trying to manipulate the operation to become the dominant faction/the ones in charge? Here comes the conspiracy then...

 

However - if Ryder has some kind of connection to our hero (sibling or not), they need to start this slow. We first need interaction with such an antagonist, hopefully make us sympathize, until the truth is revealed with some shock to it. Maybe have Ryder even be some kind of Squadmate? I would like such a villain and Revan-Twist kindoff ...

[UpUpAway]

But that's not what happened. The groundwork was laid on Virmire.

 

Hardly... On the Citadel, most of the conversation itself gives no hint of either angst or regret at being implanted until the last P/R choice is used and he suddenly falters with "Maybe you're right..."  The scene, of course, is written this way to enable the player a viable option to fight him if the want or a way to end it without the hassle of a fight... but it's waaaay to fast a slide.  Since the game's implication was that Saren was being indoctrinated by Sovereign over the entire game... the premise that Shepard even could have had an effect on Saren based on the one short conversation on Virmire is also laughable... unless Saren is particularly vulnerable to suggestion... and then Sovereign's indoctrination can't be very goodif it can't absolutely control an individual so vulnerable as Saren is to Shepard's mere suggestions on Virmire.

 

The whole situation not only disempowers Saren... it also disempowers Sovereign since Shepard can thwart them both with merely a couple of convincing "lines."

[wright1978]

Let's see ... the basic premise of MEA is our protagonist is some kind of scout/explorer visiting new planets to find a potential home for our colonists back at the ARK?
 
So Ryder ... a sibling? Or a rival operative in the veins of Mr. Saren? If so, what will be their motivation to be anti? Another poweful ancient race mind-dominating them? Could do without actually...
 
Good old power-hunger? Ryder wants to take the chance and declare him/hersel ruler of a new mankind-domain, shaping the new colony after her own image? I never mind a moustache-twirling villain, if he poses a good threat and has some personality. But I see already the "fans" complain about sterotype-villain etc...
 
Or maybe Ryder is only the Kai-Leng of the above, a group of people on the ARK trying to manipulate the operation to become the dominant faction/the ones in charge? Here comes the conspiracy then...
  ...

We don't know what the remnant are but perhaps rather than indoctrinating they are being transformed genetically/physically after encountering remnant ruins which are acting on instructions of dead species to rebirth them.

I far less interested by the whole power hungry power grab vibe, especially if there's a personal connection to the antagonist.
Not least because What's to stop the player legitimately wanting to side with their bro, unless he's as moustache twirling madman. An alien threat at least compels a defensive response.