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[Draining Dragon]

I loved the geth/quarian conflict. "Does this unit have a soul?" is among the most memorable lines in any game I've played, right up there with "What can change the nature of a man?"

The final exchange between Tali and Legion when you side with the quarians always gives me the feels.

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[KaiserShep]

I wish Tali had an outburst like that on the flip side of that decision.

[Iakus]

I loved the geth/quarian conflict. "Does this unit have a soul?" is among the most memorable lines in any game I've played, right up there with "What can change the nature of a man?"

The final exchange between Tali and Legion when you side with the quarians always gives me the feels.

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In ME2, yeah.  Sadly the whole ME3 "become a real boy" outlook kinda spoiled Legion for me.  I liked the geth better when they were, well, "alien"  With an alien, though not necessarily hostile, mindset.

[Ieldra]

In ME2, yeah.  Sadly the whole ME3 "become a real boy" outlook kinda spoiled Legion for me.  I liked the geth better when they were, well, "alien"  With an alien, though not necessarily hostile, mindset.

Indeed so. In ME2 they were presented as a species - if you can all it that - with radically different ideas, and according realities, of individuality and consciousness. It was an interesting SF concept and deserved to be explored rather than be brushed aside in favor of a completely nonsensical attempt to establish our human notions about these things as universal.

 

it's another of the reasons why IMO ME3 is annoyingly traditionalist in its outlook.

[Iakus]

Indeed so. In ME2 they were presented as a species - if you can all it that - with radically different ideas, and according realities, of individuality and consciousness. It was an interesting SF concept and deserved to be explored rather than be brushed aside in favor of a completely nonsensical attempt to establish our human notions about these things as universal.

 

it's another of the reasons why IMO ME3 is annoyingly traditionalist in its outlook.

Given how it wrapped things up, I'd hesitate to call ME3 "traditionalist"

 

"Simplistic" maybe.

[Ieldra]

Given how it wrapped things up, I'd hesitate to call ME3 "traditionalist"

 

"Simplistic" maybe.

I usually qualify that statement with "ecxcepting the endings", but even those have traditionalist elements. Consider the sacrifice theme and the alluded-to metaphysical dimension of the choice.

[Iakus]

I usually qualify that statement with "ecxcepting the endings", but even those have traditionalist elements. Consider the sacrifice theme and the alluded-to metaphysical dimension of the choice.

Fair enough.

[Dubozz]

philosophical underpinnings? ha-ha it's more like pseudo philosophical poorly written and poorly implemented artistic vision of some individuals

[angol fear]

philosophical underpinnings? ha-ha it's more like pseudo philosophical poorly written and poorly implemented artistic vision of some individuals

Sure if you don't what philosophy is, then it's pseudo philosophical for you. Just like if you don't know what art is, it's poorly written and poorly implemented.

The problem that it's the whole concept of text, of reading, of art that need to be explained here. It's too long and people don't want to change their opinion so they will pretend to listen/ read.

[Dubozz]

Sure if you don't what philosophy is, then it's pseudo philosophical for you. Just like if you don't know what art is, it's poorly written and poorly implemented.

Oh please don't give me that ****, i've studied philosophy for 7 damn years. Mass Effect has literally zero coherent  philosophical thought around it, it's a god damn videogame.  It's entertainment you can buy for money. People throwing around the "Philosophy" word here and there mostly because they have no other more precice words to describe what they think "Philosophy" is. 
 
So you think mass effect writing deserves the "art " word and the ending is not poorly written and poorly implemented? In that case i have a bad news for you.

 

 

The problem that it's the whole concept of text, of reading, of art that need to be explained here. It's too long and people don't want to change their opinion so they will pretend to listen read.

You can spend three DLC to explain your ending it won't become any better from it. Shitty ending is shitty ending.  

[angol fear]

Oh please don't give me that ****, i've studied philosophy for 7 damn years. Mass Effect has literally zero coherent  philosophical thought around it, it's a god damn videogame.  It's entertainment you can buy for money. People throwing around the "Philosophy" word here and there mostly because they have no other more precice words to describe what they think "Philosophy" is. 
 
So you think mass effect writing deserves the "art " word and the ending is not poorly written and poorly implemented? In that case i have a bad news for you.

 

 

You can spend three DLC to explain your ending it won't become any better from it. Shitty ending is shitty ending.  

 

If you really know what philosophy is (University only gives you knowledge, it doesn't mean you understand it), you can show how incoherent are the philosophical thoughts in the game.