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[Xerrai]

Gotta love the clashing biases in DA lore threads.

That's the name of the game as far as game forums are concerned. Plus tumblr.

 

Only a select minority of players even bother with game forums, and of those a decent percentage are only trying to make noise. It's why the devs laugh at us when they see threads that b*** and moan about the most inconsequential things. Like how Cassandra "looks too much like a guy".

 

That being said, there are legitimate discussions from time to time. Provided that no one crashes it.

[Phoe77]

It's kind of hard to say what methods will or won't have any chance of being successful considering we don't know anything about how the confrontation with the next game's antagonists are going to go down.  

[Xerrai]

Yes. Said "extremists" exist in every culture (that is just human nature) and there is plenty of them needless to point Uldred, Orsino or Jowan and i can give you much more , you know what major difference between Circles and Avvars is that mages are contained within and dealt with quickly without harming population and letting abomnation/mage act their his harmful ideas , we never had to deal with world-threat in case of circles.

 

 

As above, circles contain mages not only providing easy way to deal with problem and prevent them from harming population , but also deals with deviation (here with mild success).

 

Perhaps at one point that is what they did. I'm sure that in the time of Andraste and a bit afterward, the Circle was working in its ideal state as being sanctuaries and institutions of learning rather than prisons. But their current incantation indicates how even the modern Circle system is flawed. Exceedingly so. It's not just the mages  who are to blame either, but the tempars and the Chantry that also had a hand in inciting the mage rebellion.

 

There were problems in how the mages were being treated and no one of authority (save the Divine) were even bothering to investigate these matters--let alone deal with them. The Cirlces were becoming more of a problem than a solution to the "mage problem" by that point.

[Kimarous]

Hey isn't mage Lavellan an hedge mage?

 

Pretty sure the tradition of Dalish Keepers differs from "hedge mages." The latter tend to be isolated and independent, whereas Keepers are leaders of the community in addition to being mages, plus they have an apprentice/mentor relationship with their Second.

[SwobyJ]

Well I think glowing blue tattoos powered by Lyrium are interesting. Would certainly spice up the romance scenes. 

 

But you're right, magic does seem the go-to solution for the "you are special" schtick. Though given the fact that "regular warriors" can cause earthquakes I think we got past the point of no return when it comes to having someone normal on the scene. 

 

To be fair, most NPC warriors we meet are not actually that impressive in the way you described, and the Warrior character classes we play as in SP and MP are supposed to be very specific people with high ability.

 

We're always gonna be special. The Warden is not just a Templar, or Bard, or whatever, but the WARDEN. Hawke is not just a Force Mage, or Reaver, or whatever, but HAWKE. The Inquisitor is not just a Champion, or a Rift Mage, or whatever, but the INQUISITOR.

 

DA2 can be waved off as a storytold world by Varric, and Inquisition can be considered just the higher level of abilities that hanging out in Ferelden as the Warden didn't get to show of to us. But beyond that, yeah, its a matter of taste on how much realism you desire or need.

[SwobyJ]

Pretty sure the tradition of Dalish Keepers differs from "hedge mages." The latter tend to be isolated and independent, whereas Keepers are leaders of the community in addition to being mages, plus they have an apprentice/mentor relationship with their Second.

 

Yes. Dalish Keepers are apostates that are given a degree of tolerance by the Chantry. They're not hedge mages. Hedge mages tend to be untrained (though this can be a matter of perspective like so much of the story; a single family tradition of magic could be considered hedge magic to the Chantry) and their powers are from learning that is not normally known, and hedge mages may just be surviving as a mage without even understanding what that 'means'.

 

Some Keeper magic may be, perhaps, considered a sort of hedge magic compared to Circle magic, but Keepers themselves are rather officially known about enough that 'hedge mage' wouldn't be the first words to describe them.

[SwobyJ]

Also I really like the idea of lyrium markings being important. It would really fit a lot of the trends so far, while keeping us away from the 'Chosen One' archetype of DAI. The protagonist could have the markings to make them specifically powerful and important (though I wouldn't necessarily be against a system where party members have them too; I'd even buy a mechanic where they can 'hide' them if you desire), while multiplayer characters could have them, or instead just have their own more limited advancement.

 

Inquisitor was big but their 'power level' was only so elevated due to the Mark. This time, we could have 'Marks' that don't take us quite to that level the Inquisitor had towards the Rifts, but still be quite interesting and useful towards a whole variety of things. And instead of Fenris, we could come to embrace it. Heck I'd even love a roleplaying mechanic where more of one type or another can influence our demeanor and some options we can take (this has to do with my theorizing that some of Fenris' personality comes from the blue lyrium exposure).

[TheKomandorShepard]

Hey now we are starting to be touchy eh? Those are your favourite words !

 

Not touchy , only baffled by you pointing something pointless, relying on me saying something certain few times.It is nice to know what words are my favorite better than me.  

 

Perhaps at one point that is what they did. I'm sure that in the time of Andraste and a bit afterward, the Circle was working in its ideal state as being sanctuaries and institutions of learning rather than prisons. But their current incantation indicates how even the modern Circle system is flawed. Exceedingly so. It's not just the mages  who are to blame either, but the tempars and the Chantry that also had a hand in inciting the mage rebellion.

 

There were problems in how the mages were being treated and no one of authority (save the Divine) were even bothering to investigate these matters--let alone deal with them. The Cirlces were becoming more of a problem than a solution to the "mage problem" by that point.

 

There were no circles then, mages were contained and controlled without circles, then circles were created to control mages and protect the world from them while allowing them also practice magic. They only flaws of circle were that they gave mages too many freedoms, what allowed mages to practice blood magic whithin circle and allowed them.In fact, templars tried to put down mage rebelion before it even started and would succeed if not corrupted and foolish divine that decided to help mages start war.

 

Not rly, a problem to mages perhaps,but not a problem to rest of the world.That mages were abused (what of we have very little examples of despite decent amount focus on circles in series), means nothing to safety of the world.   

 

Im not posting here on that anymore as OP doesn't want thread derailed , so if you want discuss it further create new topic or move it in proper thread.

[Kakistos_]

It is true that Dalish Mages are not considered "Hedge Mages" but this is mainly due to the average person's exposure to Dalish culture and history. While in most cases it is probably scant accurate information mixed with propaganda it is a lot more exposure than they have of Avvar and Rivaini culture. Peeps and Templars in Thedas dismiss Avvar and Rivaini Mages as Hedge Mages but in reality they, just like the Dalish, have Magical training and traditions that predate the Chantry and Circle.

[Xerrai]

Not touchy , only baffled by you pointing something pointless, relying on me saying something certain few times.It is nice to know what words are my favorite better than me.

 

 

There were no circles then, mages were contained and controlled without circles, then circles were created to control mages and protect the world from them while allowing them also practice magic. They only flaws of circle were that they gave mages too many freedoms, what allowed mages to practice blood magic whithin circle and allowed them.In fact, templars tried to put down mage rebelion before it even started and would succeed if not corrupted and foolish divine that decided to help mages start war.

 

Not rly, a problem to mages perhaps,but not a problem to rest of the world.That mages were abused (what of we have very little examples of despite decent amount focus on circles in series), means nothing to safety of the world. 

 

Im not posting here on that anymore as OP doesn't want thread derailed , so if you want discuss it further create new topic or move it in proper thread.

 

Oh yes, my mistake. I should have said something more along the lines of the later years of the first Inquisition. But while you are right on the intended purpose of the Cirlces, you are quite mistaken that their only modern flaw is that they allow mages too many freedoms. Several codex entries and a few books detail some of the other flaws in the modern circle system. It is not just connected to the mages. The Chantry and Tempars are just as guilty.

 

Mages being abused to such a degree is exactly what can cause damage to the "safety of the world" precisely because no one is properly dealing with the issues at its core. The Templars simply trying to force it down with fear and subjugation have done nothing but escalate the conflict to a boiling point that eventually started ravaging the countryside. Templars are a part of the problem.

 

No one was willing to listen, no one was willing to negotiate, no one was willing to even investigate. The only ones we knew of that were willing to investigate were the divine and a few of her choice agents.

 

The meeting that preceded the rebellion was at the time, nothing more than a meeting to discuss the implications of the recent discovery that tranquility could be reversed. The divine mostly did this because the Templars refused to let the mages convene all, even though their intended discussion was academic.

It was the action of the Lord Seeker, who intentionally sought an excuse to invoke the Right of Annulment (through looking for only one corrupt mage), that gave the order to plain slaughter everyone. The mages coming to their eventual decision at Andoral's reach seemed expected. The Templars demonstrated an unprecedented amount of undue zealotry with that escapade, and it resulted in the murder of several innocents.