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[Abyss108]

Considering the higher ups already know something has happened with the living Warden, since they know she was supposed to die if she killed the archdemon, I doubt it would take much to convince them.

[MidnightWolf]

She was Warden-Commander of Orlais, not Ferelden. But the Hero who lives will still address the reply letter as "Warden-Commander", so you're still right that it's all rather moot.Writings on the Dark Ritual, for starters. Some Grey Warden mages would be able to confirm. Otherwise I doubt the Wardens would believe the Inquisitor, or even if they believed, they would demand verification. The Inquisitor could be lying for all they know.They might not believe the Inquisitor if they think its just an attempt to get them to abandon their cause, or if it's just another "deception" encouraged by the First Warden. So, paranoia, basically.I just don't see how revealing the existence of the Dark Ritual ends the Warden civil war. At best it just eliminates one of many concerns that the questioning Wardens have about their leaders.As for saving the world from Solas, the Wardens should be on board with that regardless.

I'd actually forgotten about the letter my Inqusitor can get from my Warden, since I've been messing around with the Keep and she's dead in my latest playthrough. But, your right......she does sign it *Commander of the Grey*

As to the OP. What possible gain could the Inqusitor hope for, that they would reveal that a Swamp Witch and a Warden mated in order to produce a Child and thus circumvent dying, to the Wardens? A Child I might add, who no longer contains the essence of the Old God Urthemiel?......none is the answer.

[Toasted Llama]

I don't see why the Grey Wardens would punish the HoF.

 

The soul of the Old God is clearly no longer commanding a darkspawn army and iirc the Grey Wardens do not concern themselves with things other than Blights and darkspawn. If the Old God were to cause harm after being 'cleansed', then that means the Old Gods themselves are 'evil', but again that does not fall under the darkspawn category.

 

Additionally; how is the end of a blight combined with the survival of the Warden who brought down the Archdemon bad in any way? "Oh **** no more sad symbolic death to garner sympathy"?

[Tidus]

No fear.. When and if push comes to shove the Inquisitor will see those fiery  hate filled  green eyes just like Vaughn, Howe ,the slavers and Loghain saw just before their untimely demise.

 

As far as the GW a hearty "Who cares what you think?"

 

All of my wardens knows dying for nothing means shite.

[robertthebard]

But the warden is dead. I mean, what kind of idiot would let the crazy witch do a sex magic ritual to preserve the soul of a tainted god that was busy ravaging the world, and then be so selfish to demand someone else die in your place?

I direct you to the Origins forums, and here, on Tuesdays.

[XEternalXDreamsX]

Off topic, but.. Anora needs to get pregnant like real quick or I will try my best to have Morrigan and Warden's son take that throne when the time comes.
Yes, Bioware.

[AnimalBoy]

Who cares?  My warden had sex with someone he's dating. Big deal.

[Kakistos_]

They will be especially interested in hunt FLemeth and Morrigan one for the knowledge of the ritual and the other for all the others info but too bad that she is already dead.

Also i think that they will degrade the warden from being a commander of the wardens

 

I doubt that very much. The Warden is a popular and powerful figure for her/his role in stopping the Blight. And in Awakening it was made clear that The Warden had a unique role to play not only as Warden Commander but the public face of the Order as the resurgent Order in Ferelden is a foothold back into public eye and hearts outside of a Blight. The Wardens have a vested interest in maintaining this, especially after Anders' and the Orlesian Wardens' actions.

 

Well at this point i don't know who will stop the wardens from discovering this and remove the warden from position of commander of the grey,since the Inquisitor has no obligation toward the HoF or Morrigan or Flemeth unless is mind controlled by Mythal.

i think this should be the appropriate flip coin of the ritual given that the price to reject it was heavy in DAO for those who cared to not gamble the world..

 

The Inquisitor doesn't have any "obligation" towards Morrigan but she greatly helped with the Inquisitor's victory over Corypheus. Disbanded or not, the Inquisition is not as powerful as it once was and they are trying to go after a God in a land (presumably Tevinter) where they have no power and little love. Why would the Inquisitor risk alienating any allies that are sympathetic to Morrigan(Leliana and any who recognize her contributions) and making her and potentially the Warden into powerful enemies for something that happened ten years ago in a bid to save the world?

 

The Grey Wardens are entitled to no answers. Besides, once the Warden finds the cure, s/he is no longer a part of the Order anyway. 

 

The Cure is meant for the Calling not the Taint.

 

I think the plot surrounding the Dark Ritual will have some effect on the Warden civil war at Weisshaupt. Many Wardens may have thought that the senior Wardens, or even the previous members of the order, were deceiving the rest of them regarding the Ultimate Sacrifice, and the claim of the First Warden to not know anything about it might be seen as him trying to conceal the truth.

 

But, if Alistair or Loghain are the ones leading the charge, then they might be looked at with suspicion if they don't reveal the secret. Beyond adding to the Warden dilemma, I don't see it coming up. I doubt the (ex)Inquisitor will care about it enough to inform a group of warring Wardens. If anything he'll only be interested in putting an end to their infighting.

 

I don't think so. There is a list of possible causes to the civil war including The Griffons, the Mage-Templar War, The Awakened Darkspawn, revelations about the powers of Warden Blood, Corypheus and the false Calling, and others. I would put The Dark Ritual, which happened ten years ago, at the bottom of the list. And as far as we know, The Warden has yet to involve him/herself. The civil war didn't just come out of nowhere and if the Warden had been personally involved I think they would have postponed their quest to cure the calling.

 

 

The GW don't know much of the nature of the old gods,if the warden survived they may even get the wrong idea that it was because the archdemon Urthemiel was different than the others or it was simply an unknown luck.

The events of the fade i think may lead to some problems given that the Inquisitor knows everything and saw everything.

 

We don't know what The Wardens know. They are a secretive Order. The Inquisitor does not know everything, we do, but from the conversation between Morrigan and Flemeth all they know is that Kieran ONCE had the soul of the fallen Archdemon, not how it came to be that way. Also, I think that with Solas the Inquisitor has larger priorities.

[Gold Dragon]

Judging by a Codex from Clarel to Arl Teagan, it doesn't look like the HOF is a Commander of the Grey anymore, so this whole question/theory is moot.

 

 

They reomved the warden? I remember that it was still a commander in DAI.

 

 

There's a Codex letter from Clarel to Tegan in Inquesition which is basically her asking HIM for permission for Grey Wardens to be 'allowed' into Ferelden. Bare in mind, this Codex exists whether the HOF is alive or Dead.

 

Some of the Dates of the Codices can be fairly Old.  How long has Clarel been Warden-Commander?

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Additionally; how is the end of a blight combined with the survival of the Warden who brought down the Archdemon bad in any way? "Oh **** no more sad symbolic death to garner sympathy"?

Maybe because a witch absorbed it's powers and it would be better if all Gw know that Urthemiel is very much not dead and in her hands

[German Soldier]

Writings on the Dark Ritual, for starters. Some Grey Warden mages would be able to confirm. Otherwise I doubt the Wardens would believe the Inquisitor, or even if they believed, they would demand verification. The Inquisitor could be lying for all they know.

They might not believe the Inquisitor if they think its just an attempt to get them to abandon their cause, or if it's just another "deception" encouraged by the First Warden. So, paranoia, basically.

I just don't see how revealing the existence of the Dark Ritual ends the Warden civil war. At best it just eliminates one of many concerns that the questioning Wardens have about their leaders.

As for saving the world from Solas, the Wardens should be on board with that regardless.

I just don't see why they would see an Inquisitor as a liar especially if others noticed
the existence of the child.
Of course it can stop the conflict if one of the reasons of why it started was the secrecy of the order in the first place.
So a faction of GW may believe that the First warden is a liar and started this rebellion because of it and if the GW care to find out with the info they can go on searching Flemeth or Morrigan.
Yes and if it is Solas to have the Old god they damn f**" need to know how he gained it since with those powers and his own he want to pretty much erase the world

[German Soldier]

I doubt that very much. The Warden is a popular and powerful figure for her/his role in stopping the Blight. And in Awakening it was made clear that The Warden had a unique role to play not only as Warden Commander but the public face of the Order as the resurgent Order in Ferelden is a foothold back into public eye and hearts outside of a Blight. The Wardens have a vested interest in maintaining this, especially after Anders' and the Orlesian Wardens' actions.


The Inquisitor doesn't have any "obligation" towards Morrigan but she greatly helped with the Inquisitor's victory over Corypheus. Disbanded or not, the Inquisition is not as powerful as it once was and they are trying to go after a God in a land (presumably Tevinter) where they have no power and little love. Why would the Inquisitor risk alienating any allies that are sympathetic to Morrigan(Leliana and any who recognize her contributions) and making her and potentially the Warden into powerful enemies for something that happened ten years ago in a bid to save the world?


The Cure is meant for the Calling not the Taint.


I don't think so. There is a list of possible causes to the civil war including The Griffons, the Mage-Templar War, The Awakened Darkspawn, revelations about the powers of Warden Blood, Corypheus and the false Calling, and others. I would put The Dark Ritual, which happened ten years ago, at the bottom of the list. And as far as we know, The Warden has yet to involve him/herself. The civil war didn't just come out of nowhere and if the Warden had been personally involved I think they would have postponed their quest to cure the calling.

We don't know what The Wardens know. They are a secretive Order. The Inquisitor does not know everything, we do, but from the conversation between Morrigan and Flemeth all they know is that Kieran ONCE had the soul of the fallen Archdemon, not how it came to be that way. Also, I think that with Solas the Inquisitor has larger priorities.

Those are all good points to debate.

The GW don't need to undermine the popularity of the HoF (that would be stupid because in doing so they would harm themselves)but they need to know what happened to this old god in order to understand that they have to remain vigilant since Solas maybe gained his powers.
Also if they internal war started because of the secrecy of Weisshaupt one of the reasons that started the conflict may be because the wardens believe
that the first warden is a liar because the whole "in death sacrifice" was a lie.


The Inquisitor has no obligation toward Morrigan first because the degree of her help depend on player choice(if Inq used the well of sorrow she literally did nothing for the Inquisition)
Most importantly at one point the Inquisitor will investigate on Solas to understand why he was so powerful in Tresspasser and will discover that Flemeth is dead,the very same woman who absorbed the Old god.
So the Inquisitor may believe that Solas stole that soul and became more powerful during their last encounter or worse that he wanted to use it to replace the Orb,so consult wardens about their knowledge of old gods isn't a bad idea.
If this will undermine the HoF reputation within the ranks of the Gw why the Inquisitor should care?

[Tidus]

This topic is very close to the overly pushed  "Don't do the DR"   circular argument with the same lame "The warden is dead" cry. Mine is alive and well as are unknown thousands(million perhaps?) of gamer's wardens.

 

It doesn't matter if you do or if you don't do the DR in DA:O because if one doesn't use the keep Morrigan has her son, Alistair is King,Anora is Queen, Loghain, the warden and Leliana is alive and well.. Big deal.

 

I don't recall anything that states the GW removed the warden from power but,it is well known he/she is on a quest to find a cure for the calling.

[Kimarous]

In my head-canon, my Warden had an emotional breakdown after hearing of the Anders incident (if anyone had the "Why can't anything in this ****ing world stay fixed?" rant, it was him) and undertook the quest to cure the Calling as something of a redemption / "get away from it all" quest. Did we hear anything about Avernus in Inquisition? I don't recall anything - so they might be travelling together, having both taken the Power of Blood, Avernus seeming to resist the Calling well enough on his own... possible answers await.

 

Anyways, might be getting off-topic. Regardless of the Dark Ritual or not (in my case not) or even the Power of Blood being called into question... what would the Inquisitor or Warden gain by exposing/prosecuting the matter? I see no benefit whatsoever. If anything, it would upset a lot of people and probably weaken the Veil for demonic rift invasions. Something like that, anyway. Again, what's the motivation?

[Aren]

 

It doesn't matter if you do or if you don't do the DR in DA:O because if one doesn't use the keep Morrigan has her son, Alistair is King,Anora is Queen, Loghain, the warden and Leliana is alive and well.. Big deal.

 

 

The default world state is an US not what you described.

[German Soldier]

Something like that, anyway. Again, what's the motivation?

Warn the GW that this old god is in the hands of some crazy Evanuris and that they have to remain vigilant because of this,also what @abyss said

[Tidus]

Aren, Sorry the default is what I stated I killed Loghain in DA:O he's alive and well in DA:I.. Morrigan has a son by the warden and she tells the Inquisitor her warden is on a quest which means the warden is indeed very much alive.King Alistair and Queen Anora shows up in Redcliff to tell Fiona and her mages they must leave Ferelden freely or they will force them out...

 

I played DA:I 5 times with the results I mention. Can't change the disc game unless you use the keep and import your world state from previous games..

[Abyss108]

If you don't use the keep, your warden is dead. The default is a dead female Dalish Elf. No Kieran.

[Tidus]

Then pray tell how Morrigan speaks of her warden and has his son?  Leliana even speaks of her warden.

 

I know many of you kill your warden but, he is alive and well in DA:I.

[AlanC9]

In default DAI, you mean.

Anyway, my default run isn't like that. The Warden's a dead female Dalish elf. Loghain is dead too. This is exactly as everybody contributing to the wiki says.

[Tidus]

AlanC9 I bought  the game used from a friend of my son.. Could a import world be on that disc? My son or Grandson doesn't know because they have gaming computers haven't played on a consul since  PS2.

[robertthebard]

AlanC9 I bought  the game used from a friend of my son.. Could a import world be on that disc? My son or Grandson doesn't know because they have gaming computers haven't played on a consul since  PS2.

If they're playing on console, it's likely they have a WS imported into the Keep, yes. The default world state is as people have pointed out in the last few comments, however. They used the canon they used to base the novels on.

[Wulfram]

But the warden is dead. I mean, what kind of idiot would let the crazy witch do a sex magic ritual to preserve the soul of a tainted god that was busy ravaging the world, and then be so selfish to demand someone else die in your place?

Hey, if the "someone else" dying in your place is Loghain, then its all upside.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Hey, if the "someone else" dying in your place is Loghain, then its all upside.

ahha they can both die together while the warden watch it and eats popcorn from the front row  why not?

In truth i prefer RIordan way to die he has more style

[vertigomez]

Hey, if the "someone else" dying in your place is Loghain, then its all upside.

But if he dies in DAO, he can't die in DAI...