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[Dai Grepher]

Considering the higher ups already know something has happened with the living Warden, since they know she was supposed to die if she killed the archdemon, I doubt it would take much to convince them.

Convince them of what though? Everyone knows the Hero who slayed the Archdemon and lived should have died doing so. The question is why. If the rebelling Wardens believe there is a conspiracy by the senior Wardens, then these rebels might not WANT to accept an explanation that exonerates the senior Wardens. The truth itself is pretty far-fetched when you think about it. For ages a Warden has been sacrificed to slay an archdemon, and yet during the shortest Blight in history, in a "backwater" country, two new recruits stumble upon a way to survive the Final Blow? How? An elderly swamp witch mysteriously finds a way through unknown magic to capture the archdemon's dying soul in an unborn child within another swamp witch's womb.

So, this elderly swamp witch discovered what no PROFESSIONAL mages within the Grey Wardens were able to even dream of? How? She's Flemeth? As in, the legend? Great. And how did Flemeth figure this out? She carries a fragment of the soul of Mythal? As in, the elven myth? Myth-al?

Well... can we speak to this witch? No? You don't know where she is. Okay. Can we speak to the other witch then, the mother of the child? No? You don't know where she is either? What about the child? He's gone too? And what about the soul of the Urthemiel? Oh, Flemeth took the soul huh? ...

Yeah, that ought to go over real well with a bunch of disgruntled Wardens. At best they'll think the Inquisitor is a pawn of the First Warden, making stuff up to deceive them. At worst, they will see the Inquisitor's "Flemeth", Morrigan, and Kieran as a means to capture the souls of Wardens and olds gods to be used for the senior Wardens to power unholy magic or take control over various people in positions of power. It all goes back to the Moon men and teh Snake Kings! It's all right here in my Manifesto!

I'd actually forgotten about the letter my Inqusitor can get from my Warden, since I've been messing around with the Keep and she's dead in my latest playthrough. But, your right......she does sign it *Commander of the Grey*

Right, signed. I wrote "addressed". I don't know what I was derping at the time. But yeah, it's signed as Warden-Commander. I think we could still head-canon that the Hero gave the position to Nathaniel, who later realized the Wardens weren't for him, and so gave the position back to the Hero. And then no one else wanted it, or was suited.

As to the OP. What possible gain could the Inqusitor hope for, that they would reveal that a Swamp Witch and a Warden mated in order to produce a Child and thus circumvent dying, to the Wardens? A Child I might add, who no longer contains the essence of the Old God Urthemiel?......none is the answer.

Great point. This would only cause more chaos in the ranks. If the old god soul is lost and unaccounted for it might even panic some Wardens into thinking that the Fifth Blight could start all over again, and they may blame the First Warden for this.

The option to reveal this or not could be a "trap" dialogue option by BioWare, so that players choose it thinking that it will help, but it backfires spectacularly.

I don't see why the Grey Wardens would punish the HoF.
 
The soul of the Old God is clearly no longer commanding a darkspawn army and iirc the Grey Wardens do not concern themselves with things other than Blights and darkspawn. If the Old God were to cause harm after being 'cleansed', then that means the Old Gods themselves are 'evil', but again that does not fall under the darkspawn category.

But the old gods were instrumental in causing the Blights, both in encouraging the Magisters Sidereal to invade the Golden City, and in calling out to the Darkspawn, even if unintentionally. The Hero could be blamed for not destroying the old god's soul, or not doing his duty as all other Wardens before him have bravely and selflessly done, or the Hero could be seen as an agent of the First Warden collecting old god souls over the ages for a darker purpose. Or perhaps the Wardens are simply thralls of the old gods, and all new Wardens are kept in the dark about it. Used. Poisoned. Deceived into service to evil deeds. Then add Corypheus to the mix. He could outright control Wardens' actions. Yet the Wardens kept him imprisoned and a secret from almost all Wardens? Why? And they consulted with outside bloodmages to do it. Similar to Flemeth's magic. These are some heavy implications against the Grey Warden Order. And who knows, Solas might have actually encouraged this sort of a disruption in the Warden ranks.

Additionally; how is the end of a blight combined with the survival of the Warden who brought down the Archdemon bad in any way? "Oh **** no more sad symbolic death to garner sympathy"?

It suggests that Wardens were never needed to slay the archdemons. If an archdemon's soul can be "tricked" into flowing into an unborn child, then anyone can kill an archdemon. Thus, no reason for the Joining (except for the Warden who would be sperm donor). No reason for people who have become Wardens to be Wardens. They might rebel, saying that the senior Wardens have known of a better way this whole time, but continued in the Joining tradition in order to bring people to heel under the Warden banner.

The Cure is meant for the Calling not the Taint.

No, it's meant to cure the taint. The Calling is only referenced because that signals the end of the Warden's life. The Hero's letter indicates that he wants to be free of that fate. That only happens if the taint is cured. Beyond this, Morrigan also speaks of the cure freeing the Hero from the taint. She refers to Fiona, who was cured, and Avernus who increased the span of his LIFE by many years.

I don't think so. There is a list of possible causes to the civil war including The Griffons, the Mage-Templar War, The Awakened Darkspawn, revelations about the powers of Warden Blood, Corypheus and the false Calling, and others. I would put The Dark Ritual, which happened ten years ago, at the bottom of the list.

Maybe it's at the bottom because of the fact it might not apply to the worldstate at all, but it is a huge implication against the Wardens nonetheless.

And as far as we know, The Warden has yet to involve him/herself. The civil war didn't just come out of nowhere and if the Warden had been personally involved I think they would have postponed their quest to cure the calling.

Also, I think that with Solas the Inquisitor has larger priorities.[/

Unless the cure ends the civil war. But that's theoretical. The Warden civil war doesn't start until after Corypheus is defeated, and the Hero is already deep into the quest by that time.

The (ex)Inquisitor may need the Wardens to help defeat Solas. Perhaps Solas knows this and encouraged the strife in the Warden ranks we now see.

I just don't see why they would see an Inquisitor as a liar especially if others noticed the existence of the child.

Others within the Inquisition. Those who serve(d) the (ex)Inquisitor. Paranoia is a son-of-a-gun. If they have a cause, they have a reason to believe the (x)In is a liar.

Of course it can stop the conflict if one of the reasons of why it started was the secrecy of the order in the first place.

So a faction of GW may believe that the First warden is a liar and started this rebellion because of it and if the GW care to find out with the info they can go on searching Flemeth or Morrigan.

Yes and if it is Solas to have the Old god they damn f**" need to know how he gained it since with those powers and his own he want to pretty much erase the world

Right. That's if the rebel Wardens can be convinced.

Provided "Flemeth" and "Morrigan" even exist, and aren't just some fabricated part of some elaborate plot. And even then these Wardens will find no one. Also, the rebellion would be against the First Warden. They wouldn't think he started it. Maybe that he caused them to rebel, sure.

The (x)In doesn't know anything about Solas meeting Flemeth in secret and doing whatever he did to her. As far as he knows, Flemeth has Urthemiel's soul. Besides, what if the rebel Wardens just see that story as another attempt to control the Wardens? Just another deception?

[Abyss108]

Where's this "the wardens all mistrust each other and think there is a big conspiracy thing and hate the leaders" come from?

[Dai Grepher]

The epilogue, what Thom Rainier states in Trespasser if made a Warden, Varric hints at it too if Hawke is the one who goes to Weisshaupt, and it is suggested even at the end of HLTA that someone must go to Adamant to inform the Wardens, and that the Wardens must be rebuilt.

There is also a codex somewhere about the First Warden being more interested in politics than fighting Darkspawn, and many Wardens have a problem with that.

[Kakistos_]

Yeah...the conspiracy theories have gotten out of hand. Keep in mind that we know absolutely nothing about the Warden civil war, how it started and who's involved. As to the Cure for the Calling, The Warden made that clear:

 

"All Grey Wardens who do not fall in battle eventually fall to something known as the Calling, a magic that preys upon our own connection to the Blight and the darkspawn. Rather than such foul magic eventually leading to my death, I have determined to find a way to negate this Calling and save all Wardens from its effects." - Codex Entry 'A Letter From The Hero of Ferelden'

 

The Warden wants to cure the Calling, not the Taint. This was also alluded to in Awakenings. Whether or not this is involved in the Civil War is unknown as these revelations have been known by the Wardens for years.

[Toasted Llama]

Maybe because a witch absorbed it's powers and it would be better if all Gw know that Urthemiel is very much not dead and in her hands

I don't know if this witch you refer to is either Morrigan or Flemeth, but both assumptions would be wrong:

 

- Morrigan didn't absorb the power, an unborn child did. She doesn't have anything in her hands, especially considering Kieran was influenced by Urthemiel.

 

- Flemeth's dead so she doesn't have Urthemiel either.

 

I don't understand why you think Grey Wardens could possibly care either way. The Blight is gone, it's ended, the darkspawn are no longer advancing above ground; the threat that urged the creation of their order, is defeated and dealt with until the next Old God is found. If anything, chasing down an old god's soul that no longer causes any harm is wasting time and resources that could be spent on the other old gods who are STILL tainted.

[Gold Dragon]

And the fact that in one of the Tresspasser epilogues, the Warden is with Lelianna hints that a cure was found, or the quest failed.

[Toasted Llama]

Can't for the life of me get multi-quote to work, so I'll have to tackle this in a new post.

 

But the old gods were instrumental in causing the Blights, both in encouraging the Magisters Sidereal to invade the Golden City, and in calling out to the Darkspawn, even if unintentionally. The Hero could be blamed for not destroying the old god's soul, or not doing his duty as all other Wardens before him have bravely and selflessly done, or the Hero could be seen as an agent of the First Warden collecting old god souls over the ages for a darker purpose. Or perhaps the Wardens are simply thralls of the old gods, and all new Wardens are kept in the dark about it. Used. Poisoned. Deceived into service to evil deeds. Then add Corypheus to the mix. He could outright control Wardens' actions. Yet the Wardens kept him imprisoned and a secret from almost all Wardens? Why? And they consulted with outside bloodmages to do it. Similar to Flemeth's magic. These are some heavy implications against the Grey Warden Order. And who knows, Solas might have actually encouraged this sort of a disruption in the Warden ranks.

 

The destruction of the Old God's soul being a necessary action for the Grey Warden's is all based on assumptions and speculation. We don't actually know if the Magister's were encouraged by the Old Gods. The Magisters could've been power hungry enough to lie that their attempt to enter the Golden City was ordered by the Old Gods. The Dalish history has been proven to be false; who's to say that what Tevinter/the Magisters claims is true?

 

Additionally - if the assumption that the Old Gods encouraged the Magisters to enter the Golden City is true - the Old Gods may not have been aware of the Golden City causing the Blight. That may not have been their intent, which seems very likely considering they themselves were caged by the taint. The taint was their punishment; why 'punish' them even more with a death sentence? What about redemption?

 

The not doing his/her duty argument: What on Thedas does dying add to the 'duty'? Stopping the Blight is the only duty they have; killing the Archdemon, regardless of how it's done, fulfills that, but apparently does not require the destruction of the Old God's soul. It's ridiculous to think the Wardens would shun or punish the HoF for this. The Blight is gone, it's no longer a threat. There's nothing else they could demand from the HoF.

 

As for the Warden being an 'agent' of the old Wardens and the old Wardens being thralls: Unless all Grey Warden's are tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy nutjobs, I doubt they'll be convinced of that idea.

 

And Corypheus' imprisonment; clearly, it's close to impossible for a Grey Warden to kill Corypheus, as he simply body hops to a new host. The Inquisitor was only able to kill him because of the unique powers they had. What were they supposed to do? Keep throwing people at him in the hopes that maybe, after the 1000th death or so he'd be unable to body hop? Imprisonment was the only way to keep him under control and remove the threat. And while I don't remember 100% perfectly, but I don't remember the Grey Wardens opposing blood magic. If it does the job - it does the job. Perhaps blood magic - as opposed to the Grey Warden's conventional means - was the only means that could imprison Corypheus properly, as he also seemed to be unconscious during his imprisonment.

[German Soldier]

It suggests that Wardens were never needed to slay the archdemons. If an archdemon's soul can be "tricked" into flowing into an unborn child, then anyone can kill an archdemon. Thus, no reason for the Joining (except for the Warden who would be sperm donor). No reason for people who have become Wardens to be Wardens. They might rebel, saying that the senior Wardens have known of a better way this whole time, but continued in the Joining tradition in order to bring people to heel under the Warden banner.








Others within the Inquisition. Those who serve(d) the (ex)Inquisitor. Paranoia is a son-of-a-gun. If they have a cause, they have a reason to believe the (x)In is a liar.


Right. That's if the rebel Wardens can be convinced.

Provided "Flemeth" and "Morrigan" even exist, and aren't just some fabricated part of some elaborate plot. And even then these Wardens will find no one. Also, the rebellion would be against the First Warden. They wouldn't think he started it. Maybe that he caused them to rebel, sure.

The (x)In doesn't know anything about Solas meeting Flemeth in secret and doing whatever he did to her. As far as he knows, Flemeth has Urthemiel's soul. Besides, what if the rebel Wardens just see that story as another attempt to control the Wardens? Just another deception?

-Wardens are always required to kill the archdemon and the DR don't work unless it is a GW to kill the archdemon since their body act as a filter for the archdemon soul.

 

 

-Of course do you believe that in the Orlesian court nobody noticed the exsistence of the child or of Morrigan? The empress and all the orlesians nobility now are liars who work for the Inquisition ok..........

 

 

 

-I don't give a damn about the rebels why the inquisitor should tell anything to them and not to the first warden?

 

 

-Of course we can just ask to Celine if Morrigan exist or is some fabricated person

 

 

-The inquisior will try to find out why SOlas was so powerful during their last encounter and they will know that FLemeth is dead possibily via the well of sorrow that is linked to Mythal.

[German Soldier]

I don't know if this witch you refer to is either Morrigan or Flemeth, but both assumptions would be wrong:

 

- Morrigan didn't absorb the power, an unborn child did. She doesn't have anything in her hands, especially considering Kieran was influenced by Urthemiel.

 

- Flemeth's dead so she doesn't have Urthemiel either.

 

That is not what it matters they would care to know that old gods can be absorbed and were absorbed by some people.....the Gw don't exsist solely to stop blights without try to figured out something about the old gods,so they will very much like to put their hands into one of them to use it just like Janeka approach on Corypheus.

[Dai Grepher]

Yeah...the conspiracy theories have gotten out of hand. Keep in mind that we know absolutely nothing about the Warden civil war, how it started and who's involved.

I know. But aside from the rebels disapproving of the First Warden, what other reasons could there be? I'm just throwing out some possibilities.

As to the Cure for the Calling, The Warden made that clear:
 
"All Grey Wardens who do not fall in battle eventually fall to something known as the Calling, a magic that preys upon our own connection to the Blight and the darkspawn. Rather than such foul magic eventually leading to my death, I have determined to find a way to negate this Calling and save all Wardens from its effects." - Codex Entry 'A Letter From The Hero of Ferelden'
 
The Warden wants to cure the Calling, not the Taint. This was also alluded to in Awakenings. Whether or not this is involved in the Civil War is unknown as these revelations have been known by the Wardens for years.

Yes but the Calling is just the voice you hear that lets you know that the taint is taking control of you. There is nothing about the Calling that kills or corrupts the Warden. It's the taint. It's like saying that improved hearing will lead to your death. No, the Hero likely only wrote about the Calling to avoid stating outright that the Grey Wardens carry the taint. Stating this would basically confirm that the Joining involves taking the taint into one's self, and that is a Warden secret that should not be revealed to outsiders.

That may not have been their intent, which seems very likely considering they themselves were caged by the taint. The taint was their punishment; why 'punish' them even more with a death sentence? What about redemption?

What about it? The old gods don't deserve it. Now, if it so happens that the two remaining old gods somehow get released without being corrupted and one or both of them want to cooperate and actually help, then that's one thing. But Urthemiel demonstrated no such attributes. So there's no reason to spare its soul.

The not doing his/her duty argument: What on Thedas does dying add to the 'duty'? Stopping the Blight is the only duty they have; killing the Archdemon, regardless of how it's done, fulfills that, but apparently does not require the destruction of the Old God's soul. It's ridiculous to think the Wardens would shun or punish the HoF for this. The Blight is gone, it's no longer a threat. There's nothing else they could demand from the HoF.

Remember the Warden oath? The duty that cannot be forsworn? Taking the easy out may be seen as a betrayal of the oath. It was essentially sparing one of the sources of the blight from justice, and forcing the burden on an innocent child. I could see a lot of Wardens having a problem with that.

As for the Warden being an 'agent' of the old Wardens and the old Wardens being thralls: Unless all Grey Warden's are tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy nutjobs, I doubt they'll be convinced of that idea.
 
And Corypheus' imprisonment; clearly, it's close to impossible for a Grey Warden to kill Corypheus, as he simply body hops to a new host. The Inquisitor was only able to kill him because of the unique powers they had. What were they supposed to do? Keep throwing people at him in the hopes that maybe, after the 1000th death or so he'd be unable to body hop? Imprisonment was the only way to keep him under control and remove the threat. And while I don't remember 100% perfectly, but I don't remember the Grey Wardens opposing blood magic. If it does the job - it does the job. Perhaps blood magic - as opposed to the Grey Warden's conventional means - was the only means that could imprison Corypheus properly, as he also seemed to be unconscious during his imprisonment.

It is a conspiracy theory, sure, but it's a believable one. It was already rumored that the Wardens don't actually fight the Darkspawn but rather work with them to keep themselves relevant. Bohdan Feddic mentions this if you ask him if he's heard any rumors. This is something most Wardens would reject, unless of course they learn about Darkspawn Magisters being imprisoned instead of killed so it can later come back and mind-control Wardens, or being given a deal despite having captured Wardens for their blood for the purpose of making the Darkspawn sapient.

The circumstances of Cory's imprisonment are all very secretive and mysterious. I'm sure only the senior Wardens are allowed access to this information. If the First Warden has done something to betray the trust of his subordinates, then nothing he says will convince them. They may have it in their heads that he is deceiving them just as Clarel was deceiving the Wardens under her command.

-Wardens are always required to kill the archdemon and the DR don't work unless it is a GW to kill the archdemon since their body act as a filter for the archdemon soul.

-Of course do you believe that in the Orlesian court nobody noticed the exsistence of the child or of Morrigan? The empress and all the orlesians nobility now are liars who work for the Inquisition ok..........

-I don't give a damn about the rebels why the inquisitor should tell anything to them and not to the first warden?

-Of course we can just ask to Celine if Morrigan exist or is some fabricated person

-The inquisior will try to find out why SOlas was so powerful during their last encounter and they will know that FLemeth is dead possibily via the well of sorrow that is linked to Mythal.

Eh... not sure a Warden is needed to strike the final blow in the case of the Dark Ritual. It's possible that anyone could do it in that case. But the point is that the rebel Wardens might see the Final Blow Warden's survival as proof that a Warden need not die, thus no need for a Warden to strike the final blow at all. It will make them question the orders given to them by the senior Wardens.

Is the Orlesian court planning to visit Weisshaupt anytime soon? Then how are the rebel Wardens supposed to hear about Kieran? And no, I doubt the Orlesian court noticed Kieran or even Morrigan most of the time. Celene consulted with Morrigan mostly in private because she was interested in darker magics. For normal magic Celene would consult with Vivienne.

To convince the rebels to stop rebelling. The First Warden can't make them stop except through threats and violence. Otherwise, I think he would have convinced them by now.

Assuming the rebel Wardens will bother going to Orlais to ask Celene (who could be dead) if Morrigan exists and she decides to tell them, then what? These rebel Wardens will ask to see her, and Celene will tell them she was sent to the Inquisition years ago and hasn't been seen since. So who is to say that this Morrigan isn't just some random mage that the (ex)Inquisitor isn't just tying a bogus story to?

No, because the (x)In may not have drank from the Well. That the (x)In will try to find out why Solas was so powerful means nothing. He can't possibly find out that Solas met with Flemeth and did what he did to her. Unless he captures some spy of Solas' who knew of this encounter, which I highly doubt Solas would let anyone else see that.

[German Soldier]

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^It is always needed and it was discussed in old topics of the forum where Gaider didn't denied that a Gw is always necessary,in fact Morrigan doesn't present this argument to convince the warden because is untrue,no GW means that the DR will not function and that the archdemon will respawn because the soul which always have to enter into the body of a GW first didn't gained the resistance,you seem to not even know how the DR works

 

Yes but if the Inquisitor drink the well of sorrow it is linked to Mythal and Mythal knows what Solas did to Flemeth and where the old god soul is,thus allow the inquisitor to find it

[Dai Grepher]

It is always needed and it was discussed in old topics of the forum where Gaider didn't denied that a Gw is always necessary,

1. Who cares what Gaider thinks? 2. Not denying that a Warden is still needed is not the same as confirming that a Warden is still needed.

in fact Morrigan doesn't present this argument to convince the warden because is untrue,

Or maybe she just didn't think of it because she didn't know for sure. This was a new thing to her, it had never been done before.

no GW means that the DR will not function and that the archdemon will respawn because the soul which always have to enter into the body of a GW first didn't gained the resistance,you seem to not even know how the DR works

Speculation on your part. According to Morrigan the Archdemon's soul would seek the child like a beacon. If that is how it works then it shouldn't matter who kills the thing. But even if a Grey Warden is required, that doesn't mean the rebel Wardens won't jump to the conclusion that a Grey Warden isn't necessary.

Yes but if the Inquisitor drink the well of sorrow it is linked to Mythal and Mythal knows what Solas did to Flemeth and where the old god soul is,thus allow the inquisitor to find it

Assuming Mythal wants the (ex)Inquisitor to find it. Assuming Mythal doesn't already have Urthemiel's soul. Assuming Mythal wants the (ex)Inquisitor to know about Flemeth's meeting with Solas. You are assuming a lot. And the fact that the (x)In might not drink from the Well means BioWare is unlikely to program this separate path of information gathering into the game. Remember, this entire point is in regards to the (x)In speaking to the rebel Wardens at Weisshaupt about why they need to stop their rebellion and help save the world. Is BioWare going to bother including the Well of Sorrows knowledge into this?

And so what if they do and the (x)In can consult with the voices in the Well? Are the rebels just supposed to believe this person who is hearing voices?

[Aren]

1. Who cares what Gaider thinks? 2. Not denying that a Warden is still needed is not the same as confirming that a Warden is still needed.


Or maybe she just didn't think of it because she didn't know for sure. This was a new thing to her, it had never been done before.


Speculation on your part. According to Morrigan the Archdemon's soul would seek the child like a beacon. If that is how it works then it shouldn't matter who kills the thing. But even if a Grey Warden is required, that doesn't mean the rebel Wardens won't jump to the conclusion that a Grey Warden isn't necessary.

 

I don't think that is speculation as much as it was not well explained in DAO.

The archdemon soul go to the child only if it was filtered by the GW who killed it,not being a GW means that it cannot distinguish between Morrigan and the darkspawns.

The cinematic ending it is always the same with the soul who enter into the body of a GW in all the 4 variations.

[Mlady]

The worst the Inquisition did was join with the stray Wardens who now want to reveal all their secrets, causing a war with the other Wardens. That should have some consequences in DA4 imo.

[Dai Grepher]

I don't think that is speculation as much as it was not well explained in DAO.
The archdemon soul go to the child only if it was filtered by the GW who killed it,not being a GW means that it cannot distinguish between Morrigan and the darkspawns.
The cinematic ending it is always the same with the soul who enter into the body of a GW in all the 4 variations.

No, that's exactly what speculation is. He's making a claim where the game showed no evidence for it.

Prove that the Archdemon's soul goes to the child ONLY because it was filtered by the Grey Warden who killed it. Prove it can't distinguish between the child and the darkspawn. You are just posting your own hypothesis.

The cinematic does not show the Archdemon's soul entering into anything.

[Aren]

The cinematic does not show the Archdemon's soul entering into anything.

Uh?

When it is killed his essence is showed and it enter into the GW who killed it which is the nearest creature with the taint to it, the cinematic  is the same in all endings US,DR,WC,R it is not diffrent for the DR meaning that the soul first reach the GW

[Secret Rare]

 

 

The soul of the Old God is clearly no longer commanding a darkspawn army and iirc the Grey Wardens do not concern themselves with things other than Blights and darkspawn. If the Old God were to cause harm after being 'cleansed', then that means the Old Gods themselves are 'evil', but again that does not fall under the darkspawn category.

 

 

The GW don't care only of darkspawns but of the old gods as well,if they could they would kill them all to prevent blights from happening but they are underground and cannot be reached.

If one of them is spared then they damn better know to go hunt it regardless of if it is evil or not.

[Dai Grepher]

Uh?
When it is killed his essence is showed and it enter into the GW who killed it which is the nearest creature with the taint to it, the cinematic  is the same in all endings US,DR,WC,R it is not diffrent for the DR meaning that the soul first reach the GW

Yeah, my point is that the cinematic doesn't show the soul flowing into the Grey Warden who strikes the final blow. That is just light and magical energy emanating from the Archdemon's head. As is the explosion and shock-wave.

Logically, if the Archdemon's soul is flowing into the Warden's body, then it's clashing with the Warden's soul. It isn't seeking out the child, as intended. I think the soul finally leaves the Archdemon's body upon explosion, and we don't actually see the soul. Then it either flows into the Grey Warden, or the child if the Dark Ritual was performed.

[straykat]

 

The GW don't care only of darkspawns but of the old gods as well,if they could they would kill them all to prevent blights from happening but they are underground and cannot be reached.

If one of them is spared then they damn better know to go hunt it regardless of if it is evil or not.

 

 

That would be a kickass mission.... if it offered some variety. Maybe far into the future, with only one old god left. One huge excursion/dungeon game far into the Deep Roads.

[German Soldier]

Yeah, my point is that the cinematic doesn't show the soul flowing into the Grey Warden who strikes the final blow. That is just light and magical energy emanating from the Archdemon's head. As is the explosion and shock-wave.

Logically, if the Archdemon's soul is flowing into the Warden's body, then it's clashing with the Warden's soul. It isn't seeking out the child, as intended. I think the soul finally leaves the Archdemon's body upon explosion, and we don't actually see the soul. Then it either flows into the Grey Warden, or the child if the Dark Ritual was performed.

Point is that the explosion and the magical energy are the result of the soul being emitted from the body.
The explosion happen after that the soul is released not before.
The magical golden light is the soul of the archdemon and it surround the GW body.
The DR work because that soul is filtered first
By a GW which is in the scene always in a state of "tension" for that golden light which is the soul.
If there is no DR then it enter into the GW and it is US,if a DR is performed it is filtered by the GW without clash with another soul.
This theory was presented to mr Gaider and he said that was good to explain it since he by himself did not gave too much thoughts to the details of the ritual.

[Qun00]

Can anybody translate the OP?

I was gonna ask the same thing. Thankfully, some people managed to decipher that mess of a sentence, ha ha.

During the cutscene with the reunion between Morrigan and Flemeth (DR version), the Inquisitor finds out that Morrigan transferred the Old God's soul to Kieran. If s/he wanted to, s/he could tell the grey wardens about this and then the HoF would be in trouble.

Or at least that is the OP's idea. But Morrigan never does tell the Inquisitor how it was done or even that the Warden participated at all.

Point is that the explosion and the magical energy are the result of the soul being emitted from the body.
The explosion happen after that the soul is released not before.
The magical golden light is the soul of the archdemon and it surround the GW body.
The DR work because that soul is filtered first
By a GW which is in the scene always in a state of "tension" for that golden light which is the soul.
If there is no DR then it enter into the GW and it is US,if a DR is performed it is filtered by the GW without clash with another soul.
This theory was presented to mr Gaider and he said that was good to explain it since he by himself did not gave too much thoughts to the details of the ritual.

Gaider never does put much thought into the lore. Whenever people ask him this sort of question, he's like "lol i dunno".

[Dai Grepher]

The explosion happen after that the soul is released not before.

Proof?

The magical golden light is the soul of the archdemon and it surround the GW body.

Proof? And of course it surrounds the Warden's body because he or she is standing over its head.

The DR work because that soul is filtered first

There is never any mention of the Grey Warden acting as a "filter". This is nothing but speculation.

By a GW which is in the scene always in a state of "tension" for that golden light which is the soul.

As I wrote, if that is the soul and it is flowing into the Warden, then the two souls are clashing, thus resulting in cancellation, not the old god soul seeking out the child instead. The tension is due to the magical energy pouring out of the archdemon, not because of the soul.

Theoretically, the soul cancellation process is probably like what Envy did to the Herald at Therinfal, only the Warden fights the Archdemon alone and they both destroy each other. Minutes take place in the span of a split second.

If there is no DR then it enter into the GW and it is US,if a DR is performed it is filtered by the GW without clash with another soul.

And why is this? Riordan describes the final blow as the Warden drawing the soul into himself, killing both. Morrigan describes the Dark Ritual as allowing the Archdemon to seek the child like a beacon instead. So it can't flow into the Warden AND seek the child at the same time. It's an either/or scenario.

This theory was presented to mr Gaider and he said that was good to explain it since he by himself did not gave too much thoughts to the details of the ritual.

If he didn't give any thoughts on it, then that means it isn't known. He didn't confirm it, and I don't regard him as credible when it comes to lore anyway.

[German Soldier]

Proof?


Proof? And of course it surrounds the Warden's body because he or she is standing over its head.

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There isn't any strategical advantage in the ritual it is meant only to save the warden who kill the critter  and the critter's soul

Your theory is fallacy and full of simplicity, in your scenario of it being attracted miraculously by Morrigan rather than the darkspawn only by virtue of her of being a beacon which have priority over the darkspawn who are more tainted than her child (because beacon reasons...) it would have simply exploded in her womb and recreated the archdemon from scratch since her child was tainted, understood why your theory doesn't work?

That light which is the AD soul in the scene try to escape into the air but it is drawn to the GW instead by the force of the taint and that's why the GW is suffering in tension,if it was a non-GW the light would have not even surrounded the body of the AD-killer and be attracted to it it would have simply escaped unaltered(because no taint)it would have escaped into the air and reach a darkspawn (or like you said miraculously Morrigan because beacon reasons) and poof again archdemon in both cases.

The spirit of the critter is altered the moment it surround the GW who killed it thus it gain a resistance that combined with the resistance inherited by the child purify the soul and complete the DR.

This magic it is a little bit more elaborated than  "beacon reasons".

[German Soldier]

Gaider never does put much thought into the lore. Whenever people ask him this sort of question, he's like "lol i dunno".

Yes i know because they forget to think about this things beforehand,but point is that one theory doesn't work on "reasons".... ,while the other work on because she is a beacon "reason" and the archdemon don't explode in her womb because "reasons".......

[Aren]

Yes i know because they forget to think about this things beforehand

 DA rules aren't apparently of an universal validity.

The whole Archdemon confuses me even more. He is supposed to be a tainted/corrupted OldGod.
You kill him and his soul jumps to another tainted body. But why a TAINTED body? 
Does the taint corrupt the very soul? If only the body is corrupted by the taint, then the soul of the Old god should be free to go anywhere...right?
So is the soul itself tainted (?? very big implications here, for all grey Wardens too ??) but they don't reborn like the  archdemon.