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[German Soldier]

No, she explained why. The soul seeks the child like a beacon. A beacon gives off a visual cue or signal. That is why the soul goes towards it.


That's your baseless opinion that it should make her womb explode. She explained this too. At that early stage the child can absorb the essence and not be corrupted. She clearly stated this.


No, because they are two different things. The Architect used tainted blood on an old god's body and it was corrupted, resistance or no. The Architect should have known better, because his version of the Joining was only working on beings that were already Darkspawn.

Morrigan's Dark Ritual is completely different. She uses magic to allow the unborn child to emit a signal that attracts the soul of the old god to enter into it. The difference is day and night.



You are assuming that the final blow animation shows a Grey Warden interacting with the soul. That is not a certainty.


 

 

What is clearly the goal? Curing the taint, or preventing the Calling? Yes, curing the taint indirectly "cures" the Calling by not allowing the taint to corrupt the mind and body.

-You don't even know how this signal operate and didn't even bothered to explain how it attracts it other than It's a "beacon" these are immense gaps.

Instead i tried by saying that the archdemon soul is altered by the grey warden filter and that's why it seek  only  a child with the blood of a GW thus being a  ritual of blood magic that operate with blood connections,i provided a reason which doesn't contradict anything since it is just an extension.

 

-It is not an assumption.

The Archdemon spirit work on the host will,if it is a darkspawn which is a tainted host with no will  of its own then it is reborn,if it is a tainted child that at that state doesn't possess a will of his own then it should reborn as the archdemon again (unless something happened to that essence first filtered by a gw which is my theory).

 

 

-yes and this time around the archdemon don't reborn despite such child is tainted because?Morrigan should be disintegrated from the inside because the child is tainted

 

-I'm not assuming anything i clearly saw that when an archdemon is killed the soul clash doesn't happen instantly this mean that it require a  time frame for the soul to enter into the GW but i know that during that time frame it is there between the GW and the archdemon it cannot be somewhere else

 

 

 

the taint isn't the problem the problem is the calling,disciples can live well enough they are not insane because the calling was removed

[German Soldier]

 

 

Avernus increased warden power through experimentation and unnatural means and even then it isn't stated or shown that physical attributes increase with it rather than providing warden with new sets of powers.

 

 

The warden is more fast  this is a physical ability(warrior and rogues power of blood)

[sniper_arrow]

 

Persons aren't animals ok.....

 

 

Too bad that i supported by own theory with general principles that pertains the taint effects on bodies while you only try to push codex or characters informations as the ultimate truths.

GW slowly become ghouls and develop the disease(as Riordan said he needed a doctor)

What kind of evidence do you possess to deny that a GW grow more stronger and faster while the resistance in their blood is devoured by the taint?

You have nothing no evidence to deny anything

 

 

That's sweet and all, but I'd like to see some actual evidence on the Grey Warden themselves, not animals. 

[Lazarillo]

That's sweet and all, but I'd like to see some actual evidence on the Grey Warden themselves, not animals. 

In a gameplay sense, in Origins/Awakening, characters that Join the Wardens gain an extra ability point when they do.  Since "skills" are separate as well, that would indicate at least partially of physical enhancement.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The warden is more fast  this is a physical ability(warrior and rogues power of blood)

Magical ability that is unlocked through Avernus experiment not physical attribute that comes from mere fact of being grey warden.    

[Kimarous]

Magical ability that is unlocked through Avernus experiment not physical attribute that comes from mere fact of being grey warden.    

 

Indeed. From my understanding, the mixture imbues the consumer with the ability to inherently draw upon the taint in their blood for additional power.

 

Near as I can tell, German Soldier is referring to the "Dark Passage" ability given to Rogues - notably the ONLY passive "Power of Blood" ability - that makes said rogue Warden "more nimble"... which, in gameplay terms, means "faster movement in Stealth" and "+5% dodge bonus". Again, this seems to be more of a power than an inherent ability. The Warden doesn't become inherently faster in every regard, but is granted superior speed under specific circumstances. If anything, I'd equate Dark Passage to Spider Sense sooner than I would Super Speed.

[Kakistos_]

What is clearly the goal? Curing the taint, or preventing the Calling? Yes, curing the taint indirectly "cures" the Calling by not allowing the taint to corrupt the mind and body.


There is everything to suggest this, and the game outright states that its the taint that kills. Let me put it to you this way, say you "cure" the Calling. The Warden never hears the Calling. Okay, but the Warden still dies from corruption. What good was "curing" the Calling then?

Check the conversation with Riordan. He states, "If possible I should be the one to make that final blow. I am the eldest and the taint won't spare me much longer anyway."

He states that the taint won't spare him much longer.

The Calling is just the archdemon's or old god's voice calling out to the Wardens through the taint. The Calling doesn't kill anyone.


That's exactly what it means. And the Hero is perfectly fine with that. Or mine is anyway. Not sure what other players think of this. But Inquisition makes it clear that the Hero wants to go on living, not die. It's the taint that kills. That is a fact. So it is the taint that the Hero wants to cure.


I respect you, but I think this is just baseless supposition on your part. My Hero had to be conscripted. He never wanted to be a Warden. He felt betrayed by Duncan and even by Alistair somewhat. He thought it was wrong what the Wardens were doing. He established the Silver Order and made some reforms to the Wardens in Ferelden. He enjoyed his life at court and returned to it as soon as he could. So of course he wants to be free from the taint.

I am not in a position where I can watch the video right now. I will have to review it later, and will reply to it then.

 

 I think we may be at odds on what the Calling actually is. From my understanding the Calling is the point at which the Taint begins to overwhelm a Warden's body and mind, the "song" that signals the end of a Warden's life. I never claimed that the Calling itself is the cause of a Warden's death, only it's heralding. Can we agree on this?

 

When I or the Warden refer to Curing the Calling, what they mean is stopping the Taint from progressing to the point to where it kills. Curing the downhill process that leads to the Warden's death I.E. The Calling.

 

Curing the Calling and curing the Taint are two different things. Curing the Calling is affecting the Taint so that a Warden can continue their duty without an early death via the Taint. Curing the Taint in effect ends the state of a person being a Warden, like Fiona. I have provided in-game evidence that the Warden's goal is to cure the Calling, not the Taint all together, the video included.

 

I base the notion that The Warden doesn't want to escape the Order on the fact that, regardless of our individual headcanon and in-game decisions, that the Warden remained as Commander of the Grey in Ferelden for a decade after stopping the Blight and helped to rebuild the Order. I base it on the fact that instead of keeping the information about Avernus' experiments to her/himself they had open dialog between themselves, Avernus and the First Warden.

[Dai Grepher]

Regarding the video.

Morrigan states that the Warden is on a quest to combat the Calling. This does not contradict my position that he is out to cure the taint. Curing the taint naturally combats the Calling.

She also states the Calling signals the end of a Warden's life. Signals it. The Calling does not end the life itself. This is consistent with what I wrote. The Calling alerts the Warden to the approaching death through the taint. Blocking the Calling without curing the taint would simply result in the Warden dying unexpectedly.

The Inquisitor asks how the Calling can be stopped and if that's even possible. The Inquisitor's question does not indicate that the goal of the mission is to stop the Calling, as the Inquisitor is just an outside party inquiring as to the details.

Morrigan then gives two examples. The first is Fiona, and she states that the blight was removed from her blood. Notice she specifically refers to the taint by saying "blight", and she also states that it was in her blood. This is proof of what I wrote, that the taint exists in the blood and that is the thing that kills. That is what the cure is supposed to remedy.

The second example was Avernus, and we have discussed that already. He also refers to the taint in the blood and how it slowly corrupts the Warden's body. He writes about slowing the taint's spread.

So again, this shows that the taint, also called the blight here by Morrigan, is the true target. The Calling is just the alarm that lets the Warden know that the taint is starting to take over. The Hero would not bother with a quest that only involves silencing the Calling without curing the taint. The Calling is a good thing. Eliminating that only leaves the Warden to become corrupted without warning.
 

I think we may be at odds on what the Calling actually is. From my understanding the Calling is the point at which the Taint begins to overwhelm a Warden's body and mind, the "song" that signals the end of a Warden's life. I never claimed that the Calling itself is the cause of a Warden's death, only it's heralding. Can we agree on this?

I think we were at odds, but now you seem to be agreeing with me. Before, when you posted the Hero's letter and how he would not let the Calling claim his life, it looked to me that you were claiming that the Calling is what ends the Warden's life. If I'm mistaken about that then I apologize. However, if you knew the whole time that the Calling was just the signal, it seems odd then that you would believe the quest for a cure was to silence the Calling rather than remove the taint. So yes, my position is that the Calling marks the point at which the taint begins to overwhelm a Warden's body and mind.
 

When I or the Warden refer to Curing the Calling, what they mean is stopping the Taint from progressing to the point to where it kills. Curing the downhill process that leads to the Warden's death I.E. The Calling.

Okay, well that's quite the nuance that either you did not convey or I did not pick up on before. So you're arguing that the Hero wants to halt the spread of the taint within his own body so that it does not overtake him yet also is not removed from his body?

I could get behind that idea, although personally I believe that the Hero would prefer to be completely free from the taint and any negative effects of it, regardless of what benefits it bestows. Also, I think there is a better option for all Heroes.

I think the cure could be something that removes the taint completely, for Heroes who want that. Doing so would remove the ability to sense Darkspawn and slay an archdemon. It would also restore fertility (or at least halt the damage being done to it) and it would allow it so Darkspawn cannot sense that individual anymore. As for Heroes who want to keep the taint but halt the spread, I think Avernus' research should be the avenue those Heroes use to increase their lives and halt the spread of the taint, or unlock more power in the taint. I don't think that the cure should halt the taint where it's at. It wouldn't be a cure in that case, just a treatment. But if BioWare goes with the cure halting the spread of the taint, I guess I could accept it. There would still be the question of if the taint would still lead to a premature death based on the damage already done however.
 

Curing the Calling and curing the Taint are two different things. Curing the Calling is affecting the Taint so that a Warden can continue their duty without an early death via the Taint. Curing the Taint in effect ends the state of a person being a Warden, like Fiona. I have provided in-game evidence that the Warden's goal is to cure the Calling, not the Taint all together, the video included.

Well, now that I know your true position, I won't say that it's impossible. I don't think the video proves that the Hero is out to find a way to halt the spread of the taint within a body. I think the whole point of a "cure" is to... cure something, not keep it under control or manage it. I also believe that the Hero would rather be free of the taint, or else live for centuries with it like Avernus. But I will admit that your theory is possible.

One theory I've had for a while is that the cure will eventually be used on the Black City at some point in the future. If it's just something that halts the spread of the taint, then it will do no good. A cure on the other hand might purify the Black City. Just a side theory though. Disregard.
 

I base the notion that The Warden doesn't want to escape the Order on the fact that, regardless of our individual headcanon and in-game decisions, that the Warden remained as Commander of the Grey in Ferelden for a decade after stopping the Blight and helped to rebuild the Order.

Real world BioWare laziness reasons aside, this could be because the Hero disapproves of the Order and wishes to change it for the better from the inside. A cure could effectively nullify the need for Grey Wardens.
 

I base it on the fact that instead of keeping the information about Avernus' experiments to her/himself they had open dialog between themselves, Avernus and the First Warden.

That could be for a number of reasons. Perhaps Avernus took it upon himself to send word out to Weisshaupt, and the Hero couldn't hide it at that point. Or maybe Avernus' research uncovered something too important to keep from the Wardens outside Ferelden, and doing so could have put the world at risk. Or maybe it was done to sow seeds of discontent within the Warden ranks at Weisshaupt. We don't know what the information is. So it's impossible to say.

[Dai Grepher]

-You don't even know how this signal operate and didn't even bothered to explain how it attracts it other than It's a "beacon" these are immense gaps.

No, the beacon explanation is what the canon states. My theory on how that works is clear, but I do not claim that my theory is fact. I think the Dark Ritual gives the newly conceived child the same signal as the taint, and the magic enhances this. Thus the old god soul seeks that out as the next host because the magic makes it seem like the nearest or strongest darkspawn. But regardless of how it works, Morrigan clearly explains why the old god soul seeks out the child instead of killing the Grey Warden.

Instead i tried by saying that the archdemon soul is altered by the grey warden filter and that's why it seek  only  a child with the blood of a GW thus being a  ritual of blood magic that operate with blood connections,i provided a reason which doesn't contradict anything since it is just an extension.

But you have no proof of that. And I think Riordan does contradict your theory. He states that the essence of the archdemon flows into the Grey Warden instead of seeking out a darkspawn, and when that happens the archdemon's soul is destroyed and so to is the Grey Warden's. Now, if the old god soul flows into the Warden at all, then the result should be mutual destruction. But in the case of the Dark Ritual there is no mutual destruction. It would stand to reason then that the old god soul did not flow into the Grey Warden in that case.

The Archdemon spirit work on the host will,if it is a darkspawn which is a tainted host with no will  of its own then it is reborn,if it is a tainted child that at that state doesn't possess a will of his own then it should reborn as the archdemon again (unless something happened to that essence first filtered by a gw which is my theory).

No evidence that the old god soul flowed into the Grey Warden at all, nor that the Grey Warden's soul interacted with the old god soul at any level to change it. Morrigan clearly states that the old god soul will not corrupted the child. She said nothing about needing a Grey Warden to filter the old god soul first.

-yes and this time around the archdemon don't reborn despite such child is tainted because?Morrigan should be disintegrated from the inside because the child is tainted

Nothing indicates that the child is tainted.

-I'm not assuming anything i clearly saw that when an archdemon is killed the soul clash doesn't happen instantly this mean that it require a  time frame for the soul to enter into the GW but i know that during that time frame it is there between the GW and the archdemon it cannot be somewhere else

Right, the soul clash happens after the explosion that knocks everyone back. Up until that point we see the final blow Warden alive. Which means the soul did not flow into the Warden until after the explosion. In the case of the Dark Ritual, which has the same final blow animation, the explosion happens and instead of the soul going into the Warden, it goes to the child instead. We don't see the soul in any case because a soul or essence usually isn't visible to the normal eye.

the taint isn't the problem the problem is the calling,disciples can live well enough they are not insane because the calling was removed

Darkspawn are different creatures entirely though. The taint never kills them.

Magical ability that is unlocked through Avernus experiment not physical attribute that comes from mere fact of being grey warden.

I know, and to this and your post on the previous page, the point with Avernus' concoction is that it proves power lies within the taint. So as the taint grows stronger, so too does the Grey Warden. The questions are in what ways and to what extent. Avernus' concoction taps into the power directly, thus resulting in a large power boost. Simply living with the taint and letting it progress naturally will probably only show an insignificant increase in power, likely negated by the bad side-effects of the taint. So if there is any physical boost, it is likely insignificant if obtained through letting the taint run its course.

Red templars are said to be stronger, but the presence of lyrium taints the experiment. No pun. So it isn't clear that the taint is what makes the red templars physically stronger.

As for the point with Morrigan, that was mainly a joke. But I don't think she was referring as much to keeping up as she was... keeping it up. Again, a joke.

[German Soldier]

Magical ability that is unlocked through Avernus experiment not physical attribute that comes from mere fact of being grey warden.    

Some of them are not magical abilities but are passive abilities,the dark passage which is not a magical ability and grant dodge bonus

all of them depend on the taint,if the taint is the  source of these powers than the more one is tainted the more the Avernus abilities should grow stronger

[German Soldier]

That's sweet and all, but I'd like to see some actual evidence on the Grey Warden themselves, not animals. 

Larius was extremely fast (more than Hawke) and this is remarked by hawke,if that speed was gained by the taint than it's the sign that the taint improve some physical abilities and also after the joining GW gain an extra ability

[TheKomandorShepard]

Some of them are not magical abilities but are passive abilities that improve physical speed,the dark passage which is not a magical ability

That it is passive doesn't change that it is magical ability (talent/spell) once again unlocked by Avernus experiments and doesn't have affect on warden physical attributes.

 

 

Larius was extremely fast (more than Hawke) and this is remarked by hawke,if that speed was gained by the taint than it's the sign that the taint improve some physical abilities and also after the joining GW gain an extra ability

That Larius is fast is irrelevant fact and was said by sarcastic Hawke, as well i could take random person say that person is grey warden on basis person is fast, then there is matter Larius went trough transformation into ghoul.Yes an extra ability that is talent/spell not physical attribute so unless you want to tell me that taint learns grey wardens spells or fencing it says literally nothing.

[German Soldier]

Nothing indicates that the child is tainted.


 

Here you lost me.

The child is tainted that's why the magic work in the first place since the child bear the taint and this is explicitly said in game.

 

That it is passive doesn't change that it is magical ability (talent/spell) once again unlocked by Avernus experiments and doesn't have affect on warden physical attributes.

 

 

 

I'm unable to recognize what criteria of judgement you are applying here.

The dark passage improve the warden dodge and speed,stealth of rogues isn't a magical ability and the dark passage improve speed in stealth which is a physical ability.

WHat kind of criteria you are applying here to consider the dark passage as magic?

[TheKomandorShepard]

I'm unable to recognize what criteria of judgement you are applying here.

The dark passage improve the warden dodge and speed,stealth of rogues isn't a magical ability and the dark passage improve speed in stealth which is a physical ability.

WHat kind of criteria you are applying here to consider the dark passage as magic?

 

The dark passage doesn't not improve the warden dodge outside specific circumstances , in every other circumstances warden speed remains the same.If that was natural increase of attribute it would be present regardless of the circumstances and every warden would recive it regardless of the class as it would be attribute rather than talent specific to rogue, it still requires activation through going into stealth but it activates during chosing option stealth, outside of that every talent/spell from that tree qualifies as magic rather than natural.  

[German Soldier]

it still requires activation through going into stealth but it activates during chosing option stealth, outside of that every talent/spell from that tree qualifies as magic rather than natural.  

This criteria of judgment is convoluted,stealth in nothing more but a posture assumed by rogues it isn't magic.

Talents like swirling of swords or stealth aren't a form of magic just because they are included into the talent skill three rather than being attributes points,so the dark passage is an ability related to the taint that improve speed in stealth,it is just the  physical power provided by the taint there is no magic here

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

This criteria of judgment is convoluted,stealth in nothing more but a posture assumed by rogues it isn't magic.

Talents like swirling of swords or stealth aren't a form of magic just because they are included into the talent skill three rather than being attributes points,so the dark passage is an ability related to the taint that improve speed in stealth,it is just the  physical power provided by the taint there is no magic here

 

Didn't bother to read don't or just purposefully twisted what i have said didn't ya?

I didn't said that sealth is magical ability only that magic that comes from taint is used to enhance dodge ability under certain circumstances, instead taint just increasing warrden attribute permanently thus making his/her body naturally stronger, faster or more endurant.Talents are set of skills/abilities that help you in combat and have nothing to do with physical condition of the warden.  

[German Soldier]

Didn't bother to read don't or just purposefully twisted what i have said don't ya?

I didn't said that sealth is magical ability only that magic that comes from taint is used to enhance dodge ability under certain circumstances, instead taint just increasing warrden attribute permanently thus making his/her body naturally stronger, faster or more endurant.Talents are set of skills that help you in combat and have nothing to do with physical condition of the warden.  

No,no i understood exactly what you intended and that's why i consider this judgments of yours as to be very convoluted.

Certain talents(rogues and warriors) aren't a form of magic and they depend on the strength of the warden since their effectiveness is directly tied with the attributes points.

The dark passage is a talent that tap into the taint powers to permanently and passively   improve dodge and speed in stealth,it isn't magic is physical power provided by the taint

also the dodge for what i recall is permanent and have nothing to do with stealth mode

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

No,no i understood exactly what you intended and that's why i consider this judgments of yours as to be very convoluted.

Certain talents(rogues and warriors) aren't a form of magic and they depend on the strength of the warden since their effectiveness is directly tied with the attributes points.

The dark passage is a talent that tap into the taint permanently and passively  to improve dodge and speed in stealth,it isn't magic is physical

 

You don't, what you showed whith that comment and previous one.

I never said that all talents are magic as most of talents are just combat techniques that help you in fight, however rest of them are magical abilities/techniques that for an example enhance your body like Reaver tree or Power of Blood tree, that talents are tied to attributes doesn't make them attributes as they are just set of skills that work better with certain attribute. so talent is for an example concerns fencing move that will be more effective in pair with dexterity that frames entire spectrum.

 

It doesn't, once again ability to dodge increases only under specific circumstances not overall it involves only stealth so your attribute dexterity didn't increase so your physical in most situations remains the same as it was before drikning potion. 

[German Soldier]

 

 

It doesn't, once again ability to dodge increases only under specific circumstances not overall it involves only stealth so your attribute dexterity didn't increase so your physical in most situations remains the same as it was before drikning potion. 

I believe that we are reaching a breaking point in absurdity here.

Dodge is in itself a physical ability,it isn't magical and it work with physical attributes and it serves to avoid on being hit by enemies.

The dark passage which is a power tied with the taint improve it permanently that  alone show that the taint is in itself  a source of physical power.

That you are desperately trying to prove your point with no sense doesn't change anything because dodge is  physical not magical and it represent the ability to evade attacks from enemies and it is indipendent from the stealth mode and is improved forever by the dark passage wihtout any cost of activation

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

I believe that we are reaching a breaking point in absurdity here.

Dodge is in itself a physical ability,it isn't magical and it work with physical attributes and it serves to avoid on being hit by enemies.

The dark passage which is a power tied with the taint improve it permanently that  alone show that the taint is in itself  a source of physical power.

That you are desperately trying to prove your point with no sense doesn't change anything because dodge is  physical not magical and it represent the ability to evade attacks from enemies

 

Yes, it is an absurd because you don't even bother to read what im saying reading selectively words i posted as it fits you shapeshifting entirely what im saying , it is third time now i have to call you out on doing so. Where i said dodging was an attribute or magical ability pretty much i said it was an ability that is connected to dexterity.

 

Once again dark passage increases dodge only under specific circumstances not physical attribute (that is dexterity) under all circumstances , dexterity remains unchanged and The dark passage isn't technique of stealth because it steams from the taint not knowledge about stealth that would increase ability to dodge during stealth, so only valid conclusion wardens used magic to increase their dodge ability during stealth.   

[German Soldier]

 

Once again dark passage increases dodge only under specific circumstances not physical attribute (that is dexterity) under all circumstances , dexterity remains unchanged and The dark passage isn't technique of stealth because it steams from the taint not knowledge about stealth, so only valid conclusion is wardens used magic to increase their dodge ability during stealth.   

+dexterity=+dodge

 

+Dodge is not+dexterity

 

If dexterity is increased then dodge is increased however the reversal it is not  true,dodge can be increased without touching the dexterity because dodge is a sub-class of dexterity and DEXTERITY influence a moltitudes of charaterisitcs not only dodge and this isn't magic is mathematics the basic of the set theory since dodge is included in dexterity while dexterity include dodge

 

 

That you said that it is a form of magic because dexterity didn't grow as well with the dodge isn't the truth but just your lecture of it because you are committing an act of restriction

(on purpose) by considering this ability(which again improve dodge without the need of being in stealth) as a form of magic.

Tell me the others specializations that improve the others characteristics without touching the attributes are a form of magic?

because there are many that work in this way.

You are being ridiculous by trying to use restrictions that don't even exist.

 

 

[Kimarous]

Some of them are not magical abilities but are passive abilities,the dark passage which is not a magical ability and grant dodge bonus

all of them depend on the taint,if the taint is the  source of these powers than the more one is tainted the more the Avernus abilities should grow stronger

 

Some? Only ONE is a passive, as I said. Let's look at the various non-mage Power of Blood abilities.

 

Warrior

Blood Thirst: (Sustained) "The warriors own tainted blood spills in sacrifice, increasing movement speed, attack speed and critical hit-chance."

Blood Fury: (Activated) "The warrior sprays tainted blood in order to knock back nearby enemies"

 

Rogue:

The Tainted Blade: (Sustained) "The rogue's blood gushes forth, coating the edges of weapons with a deadly taint."

Dark Passage: (Passive) "Tapping the power of tainted blood makes the rogue more nimble, able to move more quickly while using Stealth and more likely to dodge a physical attack."

 

The game specifically says that the Dark Passage abilities "tap into the power of tainted blood." That alone should indicate it is a magical ability. If I spit, I don't "tap into the power of saliva."

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

That you said that it is a form of magic because dexterity didn't grow as well with the dodge isn't the truth but just your lecture of it because you are committing an act of restriction

(on purpose) by considering this ability(which again improve dodge without the need of being in stealth) as a form of magic.

Tell me the others specialization that improve the others characteristics without touching the attributes are a form of magic?

because there are many that work in this way.

You are being ridiculous by trying to use restrictions that don't even exist.

If dexterity is increased then dodge is increased however the reversal it is not necessarily true,dodge ca be increased without touching the dexterity and this isn't magic.

 

 

Yes it is, once again naturally improvement of abillity to dodge either would come from improving physical condition that is dexterity or proper technique of dodging that would come from knowledge on that topic, this ability doesn't provide knowledge because it comes strictly from the taint, so once again enhancing ability to dodge with magic is only viable option here. Second you are going off the rails talking about specialization, and this isn't specialization.

[German Soldier]

Yes it is, once again naturally improvement of abillity to dodge either would come from improving physical condition that is dexterity or proper technique of dodging that would come from knowledge on that topic, this ability doesn't provide knowledge because it comes strictly from the taint, so once again enhancing ability to dodge with magic is only viable option here. Second you are going off the rails talking about specialization, and this isn't specialization.

i'm not going off of anything i showed to you how stupid is to use dexterity to value dodge since they are not interchangeable.

 

Some? Only ONE is a passive, as I said. Let's look at the various non-mage Power of Blood abilities.

 

 

 

The game specifically says that the Dark Passage abilities "tap into the power of tainted blood." That alone should indicate it is a magical ability. If I spit, I don't "tap into the power of saliva."

That is the focus of the discussion to show that the taint carry power of it's own,so the more one is tainted the more potential power it possess but this power isn't necessarly to classify as  magic.

This isn't magic since dodge isn't a magical ability is a physical characteristic and can be improved without touching the dexterity.

Example a berserker is a mage?NO

but being one it improves your health by 10 points without touching the constitution

The dark passage use the powers of the taint to improve the physical forever,this isn't a spell

darkspawn are ageless and don't eat because they are sustained by the taint,if it was a spell or a form of magic it would have required sustainment like Zathrian

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

i'm not going off of anything i showed to you how stupid is to use dexterity to value dodge since they are not interchangeable.

 

You aren't not going further because you have no more points, you didn't show anything i pretty much pointed with what naturally improvement of ability to dodge  would come.While you tried hide behind it not being interchangeable what wasn't something i have said once again pointing what would improve naturally ability to dodge and in this case any of cases didn't fit. So once again you proved that you will talk about things that you have no idea about , you just love talk and even make up things to support things even if not true or were never stated.  

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This isn't magic since dodge isn't a magical ability is a physical characteristic and can be improved without touching the dexterity.

Example a berserker is a mage?NO

but being one it improves your health by 10 points without touching the constitution

The dark passage use the powers of the taint to improve the physical forever,this isn't a spell

darkspawn are ageless and don't eat because they are sustained by the taint,if it was a spell or a form of magic it would have required sustainment like Zathrian

 

In first place Berserker is a specialization that you have to train in, so once again you are going of the rails.