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[Kakistos_]

It's too specific though. The Calling is what you hear when the taint starts to take over. If they were referring to the taint taking over then they would have referred to the taint, not the Calling.

 

This again? Did we not agree that "The Calling" refers to the point at which the Taint begins to overwhelm a Warden's body and mind? It is not too specific. The definition has been very straight forward since the first game.

 

But his research already found a way to live for ages with the taint. So a prevention of the Calling has already been discovered. As I wrote, if that is all the Hero is after then Avernus' research should be enough.

 

Yeah. I know that. My point was about blocking the spread of the taint and preventing the Calling. Avernus already discovered how to do both. What he was researching after that was how to bring out the full potential locked within the taint. That has nothing to do with what he's already discovered.

 

 

No he didn't. Avernus delayed his death with Blood Magic. He made breakthroughs but sent his research to The First Warden when he began to expire. It has yet to be completed.

 

"I can feel the corruption starting to take its toll on my body. I must not succumb. There is too much work to be done. Through my magic I've been able to slow its inevitable spread, but not stop it completely. I am starting to hear things, even while awake: A voice--more beautiful than any other--that calls to me from the depths." - Avernus

 

If Avernus had already stopped The Calling then The Warden would not need to go on a quest to cure The Calling.

 

But he doesn't write how they are connected.

 

 

And?

 

Irrelevant. The Hero doesn't know of the events at Adamant. The Hero doesn't know what the Inquisitor knows or doesn't know.

 

 

It is relevant. You are the one who falsely asserted that The Warden used coded language when referring to The Calling. It is implied that The Warden does know about Adament considering that they are contacted afterward and warned about Corypheus. More so if they are contacted by a romanced Morrigan, Leliana or Alistair. Why would they not mention a huge event regarding Wardens and the Calling to a Grey Warden Commander questing to cure the Calling?

 

I disagree. The reference could easily mean that he wishes to cure the taint, rather than have it lead him to his Calling, as in the actual journey into the Deep Roads.

 

 

Again.....This again? We have agreed on what the Calling means. Why would anyone use the term for anything other than what it means? It only "easily" means something else if you have decided to take it upon yourself to change in-game definitions. The Calling and what it entails is very clear and has been repeated accurately by multiple characters across the series including this instance here.

 

"All Grey Wardens who do not fall in battle eventually fall to something known as the Calling, a magic that preys upon our own connection to the Blight and the darkspawn." - Warden Commander [last name] of Ferelden

 

The connection to the Blight and the Darkspawn can be nothing other than The Taint. Again in The Warden's own words is she/he targeting The Calling, referring to a specific point in the connection, the Taint's, life cycle.

 

I don't think you have proved that. That is your interpretation. I have a different one. Again, I won't say yours is impossible, but my problem with that is 1. A way to prevent the Calling already exists through Avernus. 2. The Calling does not kill the Warden, the taint does. So curing the taint is the logical goal. And combating the Calling can be done by curing the taint.

 

I am not interpreting anything. This quote "My love is on a quest to combat the Calling, the actual calling that signals the end of a Warden's life." is very clear. Morrigan identifies the Calling and what it means. As does The Warden in their communications.

[RoseLawliet]

I am not interpreting anything. This quote "My love is on a quest to combat the Calling, the actual calling that signals the end of a Warden's life." is very clear. Morrigan identifies the Calling and what it means. As does The Warden in their communications.

 

The Calling signals the end of a Warden's life. You typed it yourself. It's a signal. It's the dreams telling a Warden they're about to become a ghoul (not literally. There's no dream!archdemon saying "Hello, Warden! You're about to become a ghoul!" The Warden knows what's happening because they understand more and more of the darkspawn hive mind). Stroud will say as much if he's Hawke's Warden friend in Here Lies the Abyss.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Citation needed. He did a lot of bizarre experiments, yes, but I was under the impression that the Power of Blood was the culmination of all his research. Why then would the Power of Blood NOT provide the same extension of life / slowing of the Calling?

 

I repeat: provide SPECIFIC CITATION for your claim.

I have to prove nothing this you who made a claim without any support of evidence and related the power of blood to Avernus extended life

It's utterly stupid for the warden to search a cure for the calling so urgently if their life is already extended to 200 years.

[Dai Grepher]

This again? Did we not agree that "The Calling" refers to the point at which the Taint begins to overwhelm a Warden's body and mind? It is not too specific. The definition has been very straight forward since the first game.

No, I agreed that it was possible that Morrigan was referring to the point at which the taint starts to take over the body when she used the term "Calling". What she was likely referring to on the other hand is a separate argument. The definition has been straightforward since the first game in that it describes the journey into the Deep Roads. So while she may have been referring to the point at which the taint overwhelms, she may have been referring to the taint itself. Curing the taint would automatically stop the Calling.

As for likelihood, I address that below.

No he didn't. Avernus delayed his death with Blood Magic. He made breakthroughs but sent his research to The First Warden when he began to expire. It has yet to be completed.

The Alchemic Concoction is blood magic also. Avernus ran out of subjects within a year. There was no one else to perform blood magic on. So his longevity must have been discovered during those experiments, as was the case with the concoction.

Even if you want to believe the concoction is unrelated, a blood mage Hero would be able to learn this method from Avernus, and would thus have no reason to go into the far west. So the issue still remains valid. Going into the far west would only be for a cure for the taint, not a treatment to hold it at bay.

"I can feel the corruption starting to take its toll on my body. I must not succumb. There is too much work to be done. Through my magic I've been able to slow its inevitable spread, but not stop it completely. I am starting to hear things, even while awake: A voice--more beautiful than any other--that calls to me from the depths." - Avernus
 
If Avernus had already stopped The Calling then The Warden would not need to go on a quest to cure The Calling.

That's my point. Avernus effectively stopped the corruption from killing him and even tapped into it so it would grant him a much longer life. Therefore, the Hero would have no reason to go into the far west. He would just use Avernus' method and call it good. He would live longer than usual, and die the hard way when he felt it was his time, unless he wanted to live for hundreds of years.

And?

And the how is the secret. That the Grey Wardens go on a Calling is not a secret. That they are connected to the darkspawn is not a secret. What is a secret is that they are infected with the darkspawn taint. So perhaps the use of the term "Calling" was to conceal that fact.

It is relevant. You are the one who falsely asserted that The Warden used coded language when referring to The Calling. It is implied that The Warden does know about Adament considering that they are contacted afterward and warned about Corypheus. More so if they are contacted by a romanced Morrigan, Leliana or Alistair. Why would they not mention a huge event regarding Wardens and the Calling to a Grey Warden Commander questing to cure the Calling?

Knowing about a battle at Adamant is not the same as knowing every detail or what was said or revealed. The Hero doesn't know what the Inquisitor learned about the Grey Wardens' connection to the taint at Adamant. What's more, the Hero doesn't know who else might read that letter. So referring to the connection to the taint as "The Calling" is just exercising wisdom and caution.

Again.....This again? We have agreed on what the Calling means. Why would anyone use the term for anything other than what it means?

No, I agreed that Morrigan could possibly be referring to stopping the spread of the taint. My claim here is that the Hero could be referring to curing the taint, thereby preventing the Calling.

It only "easily" means something else if you have decided to take it upon yourself to change in-game definitions. The Calling and what it entails is very clear and has been repeated accurately by multiple characters across the series including this instance here.

Okay, the in-game definition for the Calling is the journey a Grey Warden undertakes when he has reached the end of his shortened lifespan. So if you want to be strict on definitions, we're in the same boat. Stopping the Calling means as much about preventing the spread of the taint as it does curing the taint completely. Both would prevent the Calling from occurring.

"All Grey Wardens who do not fall in battle eventually fall to something known as the Calling, a magic that preys upon our own connection to the Blight and the darkspawn." - Warden Commander [last name] of Ferelden

While we are being strict in our definitions, this is not correct. The Calling is not magic in any way. The Calling is an event, or action of going into the Deep Roads. It is a ritual that Wardens voluntarily undergo because it's the best of bad options. The magic that the Hero writes about is actually "The Song", and it emanates from the old gods.

As for what they fall to, that would be the darkspawn in the Deep Roads. But even this is not true of all Wardens. Some don't go to the Deep Roads. Some just go mad with the taint. Avernus, for example, felt the taint slowly starting to destroy his body. So what every Warden will eventually fall to is the taint. Not the Calling. Not the Darkspawn. Not the song. The taint.

The connection to the Blight and the Darkspawn can be nothing other than The Taint. Again in The Warden's own words is she/he targeting The Calling, referring to a specific point in the connection, the Taint's, life cycle.

I disagree. The term "Calling" is used, but if we are being strict in our definitions then the Calling is nothing but an event, easily prevented by locking the Warden in a tower. The true threat is the taint.

I am not interpreting anything. This quote "My love is on a quest to combat the Calling, the actual calling that signals the end of a Warden's life." is very clear. Morrigan identifies the Calling and what it means. As does The Warden in their communications.

As I and others have wrote, she describes it as a signal. Stopping the signal does no good. And if "The Calling" is code for "the point in time when the taint takes over the body" then it's also possible that it means "curing the taint". Combat the Calling by curing the taint. Possible. And since Avernus already effectively delayed the Warden "death sentence" to an absurd amount of time, I would say it is more likely that the Hero is searching for a way to be rid of the taint, like what happened with Fiona.

[Inkvisiittori]

Only the orlesian wardens the others in the others nations are still there

 

Are you sure? This is something I have been wondering about. 

 

The Keep says: "The Inquisitor banished the Southern Wardens, exiling them back to the order's base in Weisshaupt."

 

Doesn't that include all the southern Wardens, not just the orlesian ones?

[German Soldier]

Are you sure? This is something I have been wondering about. 

 

The Keep says: "The Inquisitor banished the Southern Wardens, exiling them back to the order's base in Weisshaupt."

 

Doesn't that include all the southern Wardens, not just the orlesian ones?

As far as i'm concerned is only the Orlesian wardens.

Ferelden wardens disappeared so they can't be exiled

Orlais and Ferelden are the only two nations in the south