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[German Soldier]

    Now they could just accept the fact that the world moved on, start having babies and help their modern descendants, rather than slumbering away indefinitely in the hope that one day things will go back the way they were.     I know the analogy isn't perfect but it is basically how his whole plan should be viewed.  

Why they should accept that just because someone said so?

I think that there is no right or wrong so you have to defeat them all in order to keep this world also while they sleep  modern people keep repeat the same cycles over and over again of wars,conflicts,births and deaths so hardly something new.

[Voidinist]

I, for one, am glad to see that the elf Hitler of Dragon Age has found plenty of elf Eva Brauns to support him in his racial purification endeavors.

 

At least these Lavellans will be able to soothe his obnoxious manpain in their final moments while she inevitably burns like everyone else.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

To be fair, Solas is the Maker.

 

According to Chantry lore, it was the Maker who created the Veil.

 

Solas created the Veil.

 

Therefore, Solas is the Maker.

 

Which means his plan to tear down the Veil should be supported by Andrastians since it is the Maker's will that the Veil should be destroyed.

 

[Dai Grepher]

I genuinely believe that his cause is a good one, as i'm of the opinion that a finite life is without meaning and an infinite life is the only one who has a meaning.

But Solas' world doesn't provide for eternal life. Just a really long life. People can still die in his world. Mythal, for example. His friend, Wisdom. All the people who died in the wars between the evanuris.

[Medhia_Nox]

Immortality is abominable - and to discover this, you need look no further than the BSN.

 

Human minds calcify.  You will be nothing more than your first memories for all eternity.  Nothing will ever be better than your memory of Dragon Age: Origins... or your favorite band... or show... or love. 

 

Solas is actually living this way - so clearly so do elven minds.  Incapable of being anything more than he was thousands of years ago.  He is repugnant to me. 

 

Death of the individual serves the great good of life itself.  I hope I can usher Solas forward through death. 

 

That you had a moment, however brief, is the meaning... and it is far more profound than some unchanging relic.

[Dai Grepher]

Death of the individual serves the great good of life itself.  I hope I can usher Solas forward through death.

Are you suggesting Solas needs a good rebirthing?
 
But Don is actually right about eternal life. Without it, life has no meaning. Sera understands this too.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Immortality is abominable - and to discover this, you need look no further than the BSN.

Human minds calcify. You will be nothing more than your first memories for all eternity. Nothing will ever be better than your memory of Dragon Age: Origins... or your favorite band... or show... or love.

Solas is actually living this way - so clearly so do elven minds. Incapable of being anything more than he was thousands of years ago. He is repugnant to me.

Death of the individual serves the great good of life itself. I hope I can usher Solas forward through death.

That you had a moment, however brief, is the meaning... and it is far more profound than some unchanging relic.

What greater purposes do serve the eternal cycle of birth and death that ordinary people suffer?
Living beings are calcified too in their desires no matter at how many times they change their skin through birth and death,they are trapped within the eternal cycle of samsara

[Donquijote and 59 others]

But Solas' world doesn't provide for eternal life. Just a really long life. People can still die in his world. Mythal, for example. His friend, Wisdom. All the people who died in the wars between the evanuris.

We don't know if they die or simply return to be in their spiritual form.
But they don't die of old age at least is already something.

[Kurogane335]

What greater purposes do serve the eternal cycle of birth and death that ordinary people suffer?
Living beings are calcified too in their desires no matter at how many times they change their skin through birth and death,they are trapped within the eternal cycle of samsara

 

And yet, Immortals can't escape the Samsara, for they aren't able to contemplate it. As Buddha clearly stated, only mortal men and women can escape this cycle and reach Nirvana. Immortality is but a trapping, the old and powerful rules over their younger without hope of the latter ever replacing the former, except by violent ways. Trespasser depicted what the ancient elvhen society was : anything but peaceful.

[Xerrai]

And yet, Immortals can't escape the Samsara, for they aren't able to contemplate it. As Buddha clearly stated, only mortal men and women can escape this cycle and reach Nirvana. Immortality is but a trapping, the old and powerful rules over their younger without hope of the latter ever replacing the former, except by violent ways. Trespasser depicted what the ancient elvhen society was : anything but peaceful.

Indeed. As Solas himself admitted, "Elvhenan was no more 'innocent' than your own Tevinter in its time". There was slavery, and death, and wars, and corruption. Just like any other empire.

[Beren Von Ostwick]

Look not to the west, Numenorean.  Embrace the gift of Eru.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why would you want to support Solas? Ignoring the genocide his plan entails as part of a best case scenario, absolutely none of his plans work out.

 

Wants to save his people from the Evanuris: destroys his civilization and robs the elves of pretty much everything.

Wants to use Corypheus to unlock his orb: Corypheus survives, uses orb to nearly destroy Thedas, orb is destroyed. 

 

Why support someone who always makes things worse? If you want to really help the elves, oppose Solas. 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

And yet, Immortals can't escape the Samsara, for they aren't able to contemplate it. As Buddha clearly stated, only mortal men and women can escape this cycle and reach Nirvana. Immortality is but a trapping, the old and powerful rules over their younger without hope of the latter ever replacing the former, except by violent ways. Trespasser depicted what the ancient elvhen society was : anything but peaceful.

Bioware writers have no concept of what being immortal truly entails,so they just applied pity mortal flaws to immortal people whom should act and behave very diffrently from normal people.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Why would you want to support Solas? Ignoring the genocide his plan entails as part of a best case scenario, absolutely none of his plans work out.

Wants to save his people from the Evanuris: destroys his civilization and robs the elves of pretty much everything.


Why support someone who always makes things worse? If you want to really help the elves, oppose Solas.

He did know the consequences for the creation of the veil yet he said that he had no other choice to beat the Evanuris so it was not a mistake.
You may believe that his plans don't work out yet he not only managed to beat 7 elven gods but also tricked the Inquisition and infiltrated his agents there and gained all the Eluvians of the world.
The Inquisitor obviously would have failed even against one Evanuris.
If i want the elves to return,the true elves i should support Solas

[KaiserShep]

I look forward to killing a bunch of uppity elves serving some reckless ancient.

[Xerrai]

Bioware writers have no concept of what being immortal truly entails,so they just applied pity mortal flaws to immortal people whom should act and behave very diffrently from normal people.

But the ancient elves were mortal. The entire point of their downfall is that even they have flaws. Mortal flaws.

[Xerrai]

Why would you want to support Solas? Ignoring the genocide his plan entails as part of a best case scenario, absolutely none of his plans work out.

 

Wants to save his people from the Evanuris: destroys his civilization and robs the elves of pretty much everything.

Wants to use Corypheus to unlock his orb: Corypheus survives, uses orb to nearly destroy Thedas, orb is destroyed. 

 

Why support someone who always makes things worse? If you want to really help the elves, oppose Solas. 

Actually, opposing Solas will do no more to the elves than it would any other race. They are still going to be universal second class citizens, and any major movement that people drudge up will most likely meet failure, as history has usually demonstrated. The entire reason Solas is going through with his plans, despite knowing that people are going to suffer and die, is because he genuinely believes there is no other legitimate way to help the elves long term.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

@Kaisershep:) A mortal who pretend to be able to kill a god
While such god defeated the mighty Inquisitor and a Qunari commando without efforts.

[Mlady]

The title makes me smile because the Chantry mentions the Maker creating the Veil and we all know who actually did create it lol

[thats1evildude]

I don't think that the ancient elven civilization was so great that it deserves a second chance.

 

Besides, Solas' plans have a way of blowing up in his face.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

But the ancient elves were mortal. The entire point of their downfall is that even they have flaws. Mortal flaws.

They were not mortals in the conventional sense ,they were unable to die for aging and had a better mind than mortals,or you missed the ancient elves in the crossroads that living library of knowledge.

[MidnightWolf]

He did know the consequences for the creation of the veil yet he said that he had no other choice to beat the Evanuris so it was not a mistake.
You may believe that his plans don't work out yet he not only managed to beat 7 elven gods but also tricked the Inquisition and infiltrated his agents there and gained all the Eluvians of the world.
The Inquisitor obviously would have failed even against one Evanuris.
If i want the elves to return,the true elves i should support Solas

The Inquisition was only founded because his plan FAILED. Or did you play a different game to the rest of us?
As to the first post. There is absolutely no way my Inquisitor would support such a plan.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

He did know the consequences for the creation of the veil yet he said that he had no other choice to beat the Evanuris so it was not a mistake.
You may believe that his plans don't work out yet he not only managed to beat 7 elven gods but also tricked the Inquisition and infiltrated his agents there and gained all the Eluvians of the world.
The Inquisitor obviously would have failed even against one Evanuris.
If i want the elves to return,the true elves i should support Solas

I never said he made a mistake. I said he makes everything worse, especially for the people he is trying to help. 

The best way he can help his people is by doing nothing, or maybe even trying to make their lives worse since as his record shows would backfire on him and make their lives better. 

 

Actually, opposing Solas will do no more to the elves than it would any other race. They are still going to be universal second class citizens, and any major movement that people drudge up will most likely meet failure, as history has usually demonstrated. The entire reason Solas is going through with his plans, despite knowing that people are going to suffer and die, is because he genuinely believes there is no other legitimate way to help the elves long term.

He's not doing this to help the elves. He's doing this to help the ancient elves. The modern elves are going to be destroyed just like the dwarves, humans, and qunari. And Solas is fine with that, since he doesn't even see them as people. He tells this to an Elven Inquisitor. 

 

They were not mortals in the conventional sense ,they were unable to die for aging and had a better mind than mortals,or you missed the ancient elves in the crossroads that living library of knowledge.

That's not immortality, that's agelessness. Beings who are ageless don't age but can still be killed by other means, for example the Darkspawn and ancient elves. Beings who are immortal cannot be killed but still age, for example Xenon the owner of the Black Emporium. There are beings both in fictional worlds and in our own religion and mythology that are both ageless and immortal so don't age and can't be killed, but the ancient elves of Dragon Age aren't one of them.

[Steelcan]

The elves are fit as fodder for the templars and all other righteous beings!

 

AUCTOR VULT!

[Xerrai]

I never said he made a mistake. I said he makes everything worse, especially for the people he is trying to help. 

The best way he can help his people is by doing nothing, or maybe even trying to make their lives worse since as his record shows would backfire on him and make their lives better. 

 

He's not doing this to help the elves. He's doing this to help the ancient elves. The modern elves are going to be destroyed just like the dwarves, humans, and qunari. And Solas is fine with that, since he doesn't even see them as people. He tells this to an Elven Inquisitor. 

 

That's not immortality, that's agelessness. Beings who are ageless don't age but can still be killed by other means, for example the Darkspawn and ancient elves. Beings who are immortal cannot be killed but still age, for example Xenon the owner of the Black Emporium. There are beings both in fictional worlds and in our own religion and mythology that are both ageless and immortal so don't age and can't be killed, but the ancient elves of Dragon Age aren't one of them.

Actually that is partially incorrect.

If an any inquisitor gains high approval with him, he outright admits that the Inquisition--and particularly you--showed him otherwise. That they are people.

But even if you have a negative approval with him, it is left ambiguous as to weather he still sees the world of modern elves as non-people. What is known for certain is that he saw the world as full of non-people prior to joining the Inquisition.

 

The real question lies in if that non-people sentiment held during the entirety of pre-Tresspasser Inquisition.

 

Inquisitor approval aside, he has already shown a predisposition of approving of those who help the poor and downtrodden regardless of race. Furthermore, in dialogue it is implied that he has a friendship with Cassandra and Blackwall (prior to Revelations)--or at least respect. Such acknowledgement is a sign that perhaps he does indeed see them as real people.

 

So as to weather he sees the current people of Thedas as non-people...it is dubious at best in addition to being highly circumstantial.