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[Steelcan]

well if anyone watches Better Call Saul that was one hell of a way to end a season

[Undead Han]

Didn't watch it yet. Good finale, then? 

 

I decided to watch Fear the Walking Dead instead. Apparently I make bad choices. 

[Sifr]

Didn't watch it yet. Good finale, then? 

 

I decided to watch Fear the Walking Dead instead. Apparently I make bad choices. 

 

Oh, Fear The Walking Dead... how can a show with such a strong premise get it so wrong, so dang often?

 

In the first season they not only managed to make all the characters unlikable, made the one genre-savvy kid in the first two episodes not a main character, but then decided to pull a 9 day timeskip right at the start of the outbreak. This means that we get to enjoy a mostly Walker-free show set in the suburbs, rather than seeing downtown LA slowly getting overrun.

 

A lot of people seem to defend the show and the characters idiocy by pointing out that they're still noobs at this, because while that is true... that doesn't excuse some of the more extremely moronic decisions they happened to make that aren't related to the whole zombie outbreak that's going on.

 

Seriously, how did they make the start of the zombie apocalypse so gorram boring?

 

If I'd have pitched the show, it'd have been the first season with half the protagonists being "safe" in a military base, then having to deal with the army abandoning or turning on them to carry out Operation Cobalt, while the others are refugees in the stadium, only to have it get slowly overrun as people turn.

 

Same basic plot beats we got, but with more time to see how things fell apart in both places across the series, rather than introduce other locations in the final episodes and keep jumping back and forth between locations, before they were abandoned for good.

 

I really hope this second series does end up growing the beard and becomes as good as the main show, because the second season premiere episode really didn't give me much confidence.

[daveliam]

Yeah, as much as I want to love FTWD, I just.....don't.  There's not a single likeable character in the group.  Liza was the only likeable one in the first season and she was one of only two 'main' characters to die.  Chris, Travis' son, is one of the most irritating and off-putting characters on television.  I very rarely root for the walkers, but I can't wait for this kid to die.

 

I'm holding out hope that Charlie, the asian woman from the Flight 462 mini, can bring it.  She's apparently joining the group in the next episode.  She seems smart, capable, and likeable.  Because, other than her, I'm waiting for the group to die off one-by-one.  Replace them completely with a new group of survivors.  Maybe save Strand.  Maybe.  Depends on how his character develops.

 

Sidenote:  There used to be a show on Logo called "The Big Gay Sketch Comedy Show".  It only lasted two seasons and it was fairly mediocre.  But two standouts from the cast were Kate McKinnon (now on SNL) and Coleman Domingo (Strand).  He did a truly amazing ongoing bit where he'd play Maya Angelou reading m4m craigslist ads.  It was genius.  Whenever I hear the "no femmes, no fatties" thing, I pretty much only hear it his Maya Angelou voice.

[Sifr]

Speaking of Kate McKinnon, does anyone else think based on the trailer for the abysmal looking Ghostbusters reboot, that her character will probably end up being the only good thing people might have to say about the movie when it comes out?

 

Dunno why, but I could see her character becoming the Ensemble Darkhorse, since she seems like the character who takes nothing seriously (like Venkman in the original) and the only team member who really is having a blast fighting ghosts.

[Steelcan]

The less said about the Ghostbusters reboot the better.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

And if anyone wants to get an earful, ask me about s5 of Game of Thrones and why it was the worst thing ever.

 

Oh my god! This!

 

I wish my family would just read the damn books so they can understand why I rant about how ****** utterly horrible it was to watch that season.

 

I'm now weary about the next season, haven't even bothered to watch the trailer. Should I watch it? I need some optimism here. 

[Steelcan]

Oh my god! This!

 

I wish my family would just read the damn books so they can understand why I rant about how ****** utterly horrible it was to watch that season.

 

I'm now weary about the next season, haven't even bothered to watch the trailer. Should I watch it? I need some optimism here. 

I'm begrudgingly excited for the next season after reading some leaked info, however I've also just arrived at the conclusion that they can't go any lower than s5

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

I'm begrudgingly excited for the next season after reading some leaked info, however I've also just arrived at the conclusion that they can't go any lower than s5

Leaked info, hmmm? Do you have a link?

[Steelcan]

Leaked info, hmmm? Do you have a link?

https://www.reddit.c...ak_ever_deemed/

 

about halfway down the page there's info that's made its way around 4chan and some other places

[Lady Artifice]

Yeah, as much as I want to love FTWD, I just.....don't.  There's not a single likeable character in the group.  Liza was the only likeable one in the first season and she was one of only two 'main' characters to die.  Chris, Travis' son, is one of the most irritating and off-putting characters on television.  I very rarely root for the walkers, but I can't wait for this kid to die.

 

I'm holding out hope that Charlie, the asian woman from the Flight 462 mini, can bring it.  She's apparently joining the group in the next episode.  She seems smart, capable, and likeable.  Because, other than her, I'm waiting for the group to die off one-by-one.  Replace them completely with a new group of survivors.  Maybe save Strand.  Maybe.  Depends on how his character develops.

 

Sidenote:  There used to be a show on Logo called "The Big Gay Sketch Comedy Show".  It only lasted two seasons and it was fairly mediocre.  But two standouts from the cast were Kate McKinnon (now on SNL) and Coleman Domingo (Strand).  He did a truly amazing ongoing bit where he'd play Maya Angelou reading m4m craigslist ads.  It was genius.  Whenever I hear the "no femmes, no fatties" thing, I pretty much only hear it his Maya Angelou voice.

 

Fear the Walking Dead has a terrible title, imo, so that already turned me off. But if there's no particularly sympathetic characters that basically seals it off as a "probably not," for me. 

[BraveVesperia]

Replace them completely with a new group of survivors.  Maybe save Strand.  Maybe.  Depends on how his character develops.

Agree with what both you and Sifr said about FTWD. I was looking forward to seeing the collapse of society bit, but it never happened. And all the characters feel either bland or annoying. With Rick, I liked him from episode one, but by the end of S1 I still disliked the whole cast of FTWD. It doesn't help that most of them don't have much to do. Alicia's entire character just seemed to exist for the sake of having someone in danger from being oblivious and ignorant of the situation.

 

Most of my hopes are with Strand. Wasn't sure what to make of him in S1, but he's interesting enough that he could be a great character if they use him right.

[nightscrawl]

I was looking forward to seeing the collapse of society bit, but it never happened.

They... they didn't have that? It really seemed like they would from the previews that I saw. That seems like it should have been the whole purpose for such a show. We already have a show about surviving in the post, which started by following a guy who woke up after the collapse was already over. So they just glossed over most of that?

[BraveVesperia]

They... they didn't have that? It really seemed like they would from the previews that I saw. That seems like it should have been the whole purpose for such a show. We already have a show about surviving in the post, which started by following a guy who woke up after the collapse was already over. So they just glossed over most of that?

They spend a few episodes setting it up. But then when it seems about reach the tipping point, they time skip forward. One moment society seems pretty normal, but there's some missing people and oddities. Next moment there's some rioting and then suddenly we've time-skipped into the zombie apocalypse. It ended up feeling like they'd skated right past the most interesting bits. I can't help but wonder if they intended to do that, but then decided they didn't know how...

[nightscrawl]

They spend a few episodes setting it up. But then when it seems about reach the tipping point, they time skip forward. One moment society seems pretty normal, but there's some missing people and oddities. Next moment there's some rioting and then suddenly we've time-skipped into the zombie apocalypse. It ended up feeling like they'd skated right past the most interesting bits. I can't help but wonder if they intended to do that, but then decided they didn't know how...

 

You may not know, but do the comics cover this aspect of it at all? Or does that also skip forward and we follow along with Rick? If they do, it seems to me that they could have taken that aspect of it from the comics and plugged it into this new series.

 

And you know, I find it to be rather sad that some of these show runners just don't know what to do with their project once they don't have the original material to base it on. Game of Thrones is running into the same issues. These people are suddenly faced with the prospect of being completely original and are struggling with some aspects of it and maintaining the same flow as when they had the material to work from.

[Evamitchelle]

You may not know, but do the comics cover this aspect of it at all? Or does that also skip forward and we follow along with Rick? If they do, it seems to me that they could have taken that aspect of it from the comics and plugged it into this new series.

 

And you know, I find it to be rather sad that some of these show runners just don't know what to do with their project once they don't have the original material to base it on. Game of Thrones is running into the same issues. These people are suddenly faced with the prospect of being completely original and are struggling with some aspects of it and maintaining the same flow as when they had the material to work from.

 

The comics start with Rick waking up from a coma after getting shot as a cop. I think that's how the show starts as well? They don't show society collapsing. 

[daveliam]

The comics start with Rick waking up from a coma after getting shot as a cop. I think that's how the show starts as well? They don't show society collapsing. 

 

Yeah, the comics skip over it and Kirkman has been pretty up front about how he didn't intend to ever get into that. 

 

FTWD did a stupid "couple of days/weeks" jump from the very beginning of the apocalypse, where there's rioting and it's starting to go to hell, to right after the military "took control".  Then we pick back up as they lose control and it slides completely into full on zombie apocalypse.  I would have liked to have seen the glossed over section.

 

I'm also not happy that FTWD is already sliding into the "people are the biggest threats" thing.  That took us three seasons to get to in TWD.  In the first episode of season 2 of FTWD, they are already dealing with murderous sea pirates?  It's only a few days since the military lost control. Seems way too soon for that.

[Sifr]

The comics start with Rick waking up from a coma after getting shot as a cop. I think that's how the show starts as well? They don't show society collapsing. 

 

Yeah, both comics and the show start with Rick waking up about 2 months after the start of the outbreak, after society has fully collapsed and most of the cities have since been deserted.

 

From the pilot, we see it's been long enough for hordes to form and some of the Walkers (like the bicycle chick) to start looking rather decayed, but there's still enough people around that you get relatively "fresh" Walkers who have only turned recently.

 

FTWD by Season 2 is still under a fortnight (two weeks) into the start of the outbreak, so we're still having very "fresh" looking Walkers at this point, people are still trying to grasp society is now fully gone (though seeing the firebombing of most of Southern Cali definitely hit it home) and the survivors are now starting to realise that the people they are with need to be prepared for the long haul.

 

While I don't like the characters and they're still making bad decisions, I do like that the group in FTWD are a little more ruthless and isolationist than Rick's group were at first, it took them by the tail end of S2 to get that way and stop being "how do we help" and "why should we help?"

 

But yeah, the fall of society is still a major missed opportunity in this show. The only way I can see them correcting this is to maybe find an island with a community that are still sort of in denial about the Walkers and treating things as if they were all tickety-boo, then watch that place start to crumble.

 

Maybe a mix of the Alexandria/Hilltop communities with perhaps the Hershel "We can still cure them!" hidden subplot from S2, where they're keeping walkers locked away under the belief they're just sick? Sure it's retreading old ground, but isn't that the premise of the entire show anyway?

[Sifr]

I'm also not happy that FTWD is already sliding into the "people are the biggest threats" thing.  That took us three seasons to get to in TWD.  In the first episode of season 2 of FTWD, they are already dealing with murderous sea pirates?  It's only a few days since the military lost control. Seems way too soon for that.

 

Perhaps a gang decided to stock up on weapons, take to the water to escape the Walkers (and firebombing), then resort to piracy to get fresh supplies? TWD had the "Vatos" in S1 who were conning people into thinking they were a dangerous gang (when they were really the nursing staff of a carehome) to scare them off and appropriate supplies.

 

Compared to Atlanta, LA isn't landlocked. meaning there's going to be more people in the Atlanta area competing over the same resources, while all the while having to deal with the increasing number of Walkers they cannot escape from.

 

In LA however, being able to escape to sea means that during the time that Walkers and people on land are busy picking each other off, those who fled to the sea (especially pirates) can play the waiting game and swoop in later to scavenge what's left. Not needing to make landfall unless their supplies are low means they drastically increase their survival chances.

 

Might be an interesting way to distinguish the two shows, have the characters on TWD be akin to animals fighting over the same watering hole, while FTWD is like vultures circling in wait.

 

Or y'know, make intentionally make the FTWD group into villain protagonists... it'd be refreshing to have them admit to it, rather than Rick's group who get written this way at times despite supposedly being the good guys, when it often seems they're more like designated heroes.

[Lady Artifice]

Cracked video on television product promotion. 

 

[Biotic Apostate]

Reminds me of

Honestly, they gave everyone in that small city a Toyota. It was pretty amusing, when they were trying sooo hard ("hey I'm bored, good thing this car has entune!"), and people were too busy gushing over an old Jeep CJ to even notice. Supposedly the Toyota reps were throwing hissy fits over it.

 

Also

Why is it so clean?

[Steelcan]

well I didn't think GoT could sink any lower.....

[Evamitchelle]

Every new season just confirms that quitting after season 3 was the best thing I ever did regarding GoT.

[Akrabra]

Wish i had the sense to quit aswell. Started this brand new beautiful snowy Monday with watching the new episode. Dissapointed is just the start. Well i'll let this season play out and read some reviews, maybe i'll binge watch it later.

[daveliam]

Yeah, I was also underwhelmed with the GoT season premiere.  When it ended, I was like....."That's it?  Okay......"