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[Vigilance97]

Doesn't fit the soldier archetype.

[rocklikeafool]

http://usmilitary.ab...ygrooming_2.htm
http://usmilitary.ab...ygrooming_3.htm

[Baboontje]

And then we'd have people b*tching EVEN MORE about how the game is delayed further.

Is this new? People b*tching is a given. Launch date is pushed back; People moan. Developers didn't have enough time for the game: People moan. Everyone is player sexual: People moan. LI's have set sexualities:....You guessed it, people moan.

 

You can never please everyone. And to be fair, I think it's high time they scrutinized their CC options. Their hair usually looks like it's being designed by a blind monk from Tibet. And you can only have so much short options anyway before it gets samey. So again, yes, I want long hair to be an option for once.

[wright1978]

I certainly hope there are a few examples of longer hair around.

[Vigilance97]

http://usmilitary.ab...ygrooming_2.htm
http://usmilitary.ab...ygrooming_3.htm

I wasn't talking about regulations, though. I am aware that modern soldiers are not usually allowed to have long hair. Those regulations don't have to apply to ALL soldiers though, especially fictional space-soldiers from the future.

 

Big Boss proves that long hair fits the soldier archetype just fine.

 

Maybe since this isn't my native language, we have different understandings of what "archetype" means.

[rocklikeafool]

I wasn't talking about regulations, though. I am aware that modern soldiers are not usually allowed to have long hair. Those regulations don't have to apply to ALL soldiers though, especially fictional space-soldiers from the future.

 

Big Boss proves that long hair fits the soldier archetype just fine.

 

Maybe since this isn't my native language, we have different understandings of what "archetype" means.

An archetype implies "the typical mold" here. Now, the thing is, even in Mass Effect, the reason for shorter hair or shorter/shaved facial hair would basically be the same as what most military forces have now. See, the reasons that the US Military has regulations about hair are:

1) General cleanliness/health -- in a situation where there may be days of fighting, it promotes good health to encourage soldiers to shave when possible.

2) Safety -- gas masks (or, in Mass Effect, airtight helmets) do NOT fit well if there is hair in the way, because it prevents a good, tight seal. This is why the US Military forces male soldiers to shave.

3) Professionalism -- like it or not, most folks tend to view people as more professional when their hair is neat. 

 

I highly doubt that even a futuristic Sci-Fi military force would change a ton in regards to my 3 points. You could argue that some flexibility might be in place in a futuristic setting, but practicality still would tend to result in shorter hair for soldiers. I would argue this applies to both male and female soldiers.

[SNascimento]

All Bioware needs to do is watch Edge of Tomorrow and copy Rita Vrataski's hairstyles. 

Hair problem solved. 

[mrjack]

Why should it change? Long hair really was NEVER practical for the kind of combat situations in which the PC and companions are involved in the last THREE ME games. People keep acting like their character has to be freakin' fabulous, but they forget that 90% of the game involves combat missions. Be fabulous off the clock, not while you're getting shot at or smacked around.

 

Calm down mate. I was talking about a solution to the problem of long hair. I don't really want to get into the practicalities of it. It's a video game with space magic.

[Vigilance97]

An archetype implies "the typical mold" here. 

When I hear "archetype", I think of fiction. Kind of like tvtropes. I was objecting to the idea that long hair always feels out of place for a soldier, no matter the context and what kind of story it is.

 

Now, the thing is, even in Mass Effect, the reason for shorter hair or shorter/shaved facial hair would basically be the same as what most military forces have now. See, the reasons that the US Military has regulations about hair are:

1) General cleanliness/health -- in a situation where there may be days of fighting, it promotes good health to encourage soldiers to shave when possible.

2) Safety -- gas masks (or, in Mass Effect, airtight helmets) do NOT fit well if there is hair in the way, because it prevents a good, tight seal. This is why the US Military forces male soldiers to shave.

3) Professionalism -- like it or not, most folks tend to view people as more professional when their hair is neat. 

 

I highly doubt that even a futuristic Sci-Fi military force would change a ton in regards to my 3 points. You could argue that some flexibility might be in place in a futuristic setting, but practicality still would tend to result in shorter hair for soldiers. I would argue this applies to both male and female soldiers.

I'm aware of all of that, and you're right. We were just talking about different things, and I did a bad job of articulating what I meant. Sorry.

 

As for Andromeda, I still think long hair could work. It would be unrealistic, as you rightfully pointed out, but I don't think that necessarily has to be an issue. It wouldn't be more unrealistic than female squadmates not wearing armor after ME1. 

 

Andromeda seems to have more of a space wild west kinda vibe going on than a military one(this could be completely wrong ofc). It wouldn't feel out of place, at least to me. Of course I'd prefer it if everything was super realistic all the time, but after the ending of ME3 I think that ship has sailed. So maybe it is time to embrace the rule of cool, at least a little bit.

 

 

I don't really want to get into the practicalities of it. It's a video game with space magic.

Basically, this.

[themikefest]

I don't see a problem with females in the game having long hair. On a mission, have it tied up, off the collar and no lose strands in the face. Off duty she can have her hair down.

 

 

 

I saw  women with long hair in the military. They had no problem keeping their hair within regulation while on duty

[mrjack]

All Bioware needs to do is watch Edge of Tomorrow and copy Rita Vrataski's hairstyles. 

Hair problem solved. 

 

You really, really like Emily Blunt don't you?

 

I can't fault you for taste.

[Ascari]

Yes! More Miranda and Ashley(ME3)!

[ZipZap2000]

They need to remove hair entirely from the game. Its the only way to be rid of you people.

If you like hair get a haircut, become hairdresser.

Pluck a camel.

I want big guns that need calibrating and Quarian booty. Some of those lingering Asari eyes and a Cerberus trooper calling for back up even though his entire head just exploded.

I want to try and melee a banshee coz I know I'm only gonna come back to life again anyway when I die.

F(bleep)k how long the Elcor shop assistants back fuzz is.

[Larry-3]

My hair can touch the neckless chain part of the Cross I wear around my neck, and I have no problem wearing helmets.

[Silvery]

Long hair has never been a thing in Bioware games, but it seems to be a thing in games where you create you own character. Heck the only game I can think of with long hair on your character were the Fable games. Plus, if you have long hair it has to have movement to it and Bioware games do not have movement when it comes to hair or clothes. Everything is very static. 

[UpUpAway]

An archetype implies "the typical mold" here. Now, the thing is, even in Mass Effect, the reason for shorter hair or shorter/shaved facial hair would basically be the same as what most military forces have now. See, the reasons that the US Military has regulations about hair are:

1) General cleanliness/health -- in a situation where there may be days of fighting, it promotes good health to encourage soldiers to shave when possible.

2) Safety -- gas masks (or, in Mass Effect, airtight helmets) do NOT fit well if there is hair in the way, because it prevents a good, tight seal. This is why the US Military forces male soldiers to shave.

3) Professionalism -- like it or not, most folks tend to view people as more professional when their hair is neat. 

 

I highly doubt that even a futuristic Sci-Fi military force would change a ton in regards to my 3 points. You could argue that some flexibility might be in place in a futuristic setting, but practicality still would tend to result in shorter hair for soldiers. I would argue this applies to both male and female soldiers.

 

1) General cleanliness - not apparently an issue in ME until ME3 when a shower scene and hot tub and another shower scene were needed for different purposes.  Sheploo in ME3 was never clean shaven.

 

2) Safety/Helmet fit - tell that to Tali all that hair in her photo)

 

3) Professionalism - Well, Shepard in ME2 was not part of the military and hardly wanting to be bound by whatever Cerberus' regulations were.  Examples of tolerance for "lack of professionalism" abounded in ME2.  Furthermore, in ME3, Cerberus allowed Kai Leng to have longer hair.

 

The "military" reasons for short hair were already breached in the ME Trilogy... just fell short of allowing players themselves to generate characters with longer hair.  Rendering issues within the character creator were most likely the issue... and applying "military" regs an afterthought.

 

Yeah, I want ROTTR hair!  Are we going to get it... I won't hold my breath.

[Scarlett]

I supported this on other theards, I would love to have long hair and much more choices for hairstyles in general. Hair bun was fine on ME (I used it for my Shepard) I do understand the military reasons, but what about braids and long ponytails for example ? and what about different types of bangs, having one of not, same for curls etc ... they are plenty of stuff to add for the CC, really...

 

I'm really tired of short and basic hairstyles ...

 

 

I don't see a problem with females in the game having long hair. On a mission, have it tied up, off the collar and no lose strands in the face. Off duty she can have her hair down.

 

 

 

 

Love the idea!

[XtreemeRacing]

Long hair would be really nice I admit

[Han Shot First]

The main reason for military people having short hair, other than uniformity and maintaining a professional appearance, was the louse. 

 

In war combat troops are often forced to live in the field and in absolute filth for months or years on end, and as a result lice and fleas have quite often plagued (literally) combat troops. Besides that having a negative impact on morale for obvious reasons, they spread disease. Keeping the hair short makes it easier to keep clean and manage.

 

Beards are usually not allowed because even having stubble prevents a good seal on a gas mask, and in the event chemical weapons are used, a soldier or marine's life could depend on being clean shaven.

 

Neither of those problems are likely to still be present during the Mass Effect setting. Combat troops no longer wear gas masks, but full helmets and body armor that functions also as an exosuit. Beards would no longer be a liability and space cooties aren't going to be bothering anyone who is sealed in an exosuit from head to toe. 

 

So, I wouldn't be too bothered by some hair options that are slightly longer than what you'd typically see for military people today, or trimmed beards. Trimmed beards are already a thing anyway. (see Joker)

 

That said I think the options should still fit plausibly with the character's background, and if that character is an N7 pink mohawks or hipster Jesus beards would be stretching suspension of disbelief a bit. 

[BraveVesperia]

Doesn't fit the soldier archetype.

Didn't that aesthetic kind of die after ME1? I mean, sure there's Sheploo's buzzcut, armour and lack of beard.

 

On the other hand:

-ME isn't set in the early 21st century.

-Shep can wear any kind of rainbow armour they desire in ME2/3. Even in ME1 it was pretty garish. I can't see the Phoenix or Liberator armours being very tactical, unless you're visiting Flux and want to get lost in the neon lighting.

-FemaleShep can have loose hair. It's short-ish, but loose. That would get in the way. ME3's default femShep has the most impractical style available, and has a heavily made-up face.

-Shep leads a team in ME2 where most people don't wear proper armour. Kasumi and Tali have light armour, with an impractical hood for Kasumi. Legion is a robot with a hole in it. Samara has medium armour with a plunging neckline. Zaeed and Grunt wear heavy armour with exposed arms. Garrus wears recently blown up heavy armour. Almost nobody uses a proper helmet. 

-Ashley is also military, but can wear a plastic formal suit into battle in ME3, and has loose hair.

-Joker has a beard. It's short, but it's there.

-Female Shepard can have bright red or purple hair in ME3, along with weird eye colours for both genders.

-Shepards can wear random civilian clothes while on duty on their military vessel. They also have a fish tank in the wall.

-Shepard's ability to equip different weapons is based entirely on their class in ME2, however they are all profficient with heavy weapons.

-Shepard romances their subbordinates without any issues.

 

Some of this stuff depends entirely on the player, so I don't see the harm in long hair joining those choices, even if I prefer practical styles, myself.

[mikeymoonshine]

After DA:I I don't care how long the hair is or how many different styles there are, I just want a few that don't have horrible textures that stick out like a sore thumb on the character. Like I know that Bioware will probably never have brilliant hair but hopefully they are used to the infinity engine now and will be able to do better. 

[rocklikeafool]

1) General cleanliness - not apparently an issue in ME until ME3 when a shower scene and hot tub and another shower scene were needed for different purposes.  Sheploo in ME3 was never clean shaven.

In ME3, the assumption was that there was so much combat that soldiers did NOT always have time to shave. Combat is why we have photos of soldiers with beards.

 

 

 

2) Safety/Helmet fit - tell that to Tali all that hair in her photo)

In the military, there are allowances for women to have long hair, provided they style it in a manner that keeps it off their neck and out of their face. No such allowances exist for men in the military.

 

 

 

3) Professionalism - Well, Shepard in ME2 was not part of the military and hardly wanting to be bound by whatever Cerberus' regulations were.  Examples of tolerance for "lack of professionalism" abounded in ME2.  Furthermore, in ME3, Cerberus allowed Kai Leng to have longer hair.

You don't take a soldier out of the military and expect that he/she will lose the habits of years. Canon Shepard would have still been acting as a soldier. Why do you think that soldiers have such a hard time adjusting to home? Part of it is that very few things at home are regimented.

 

-Shep can wear any kind of rainbow armour they desire in ME2/3. Even in ME1 it was pretty garish. I can't see the Phoenix or Liberator armours being very tactical, unless you're visiting Flux and want to get lost in the neon lighting.

If we're considering those armors as anything other than non-canon fun, then we're being silly.

 

 

 

-FemaleShep can have loose hair. It's short-ish, but loose. That would get in the way. ME3's default femShep has the most impractical style available, and has a heavily made-up face.

And yet, it is still within regulations for an officer.

 

 

 

-Ashley is also military, but can wear a plastic formal suit into battle in ME3, and has loose hair.

As before, that was "fun", not canon armor.

 

 

 

-Joker has a beard. It's short, but it's there.

Joker probably spent hours at the helm. He probably shaved whenever he was off-duty. Based on how the game was, he was on-duty A LOT.

 

 

 

-Shepard's ability to equip different weapons is based entirely on their class in ME2, however they are all profficient with heavy weapons.

Yes, how surprising that earth soldiers would all be proficient with large machine guns. Current US military regulations require ALL personal to be trained on the use and care of a M-16.

[Han Shot First]

It's actually fairly realistic that an Alliance Marine of any class could pick up any weapon in the Alliance arsenal and use it effectively. ME1 was actually more out of step with reality in that regard than ME3. 

[Baboontje]

If you like hair get a haircut, become hairdresser.

I -am- a hairdresser. So proper hairstyles in games are naturally important to me.

[ZipZap2000]

I -am- a hairdresser. So proper hairstyles in games are naturally important to me.

Then read the next line.

Pluck a camel.