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[Remix-General Aetius]

How much does Division cost in other countries? Here in Australian Origin store it's US $80 for standard, $140 for Gold. Highway robbery.

[Fortlowe]

Cost me $60 and tax. Haven't ordered the season pass. More so because of Destiny than the Division. The game is pretty good so far, but I won't get behind another "always on" shooter without giving it plenty of time. If it looks like it'll be worth it, I'll get the pass. Not before though.

**** Destiny.

[SNascimento]

That game also has Brian Bloom (Varric) as your gruff second in command. And unlike Keener, I'd never have recognized Bloom if someone hadn't told me. That man has a lot of range in his voice acting.

He did Wolfenstein: The New Order too. And I agree, he has a lot of range. If I had to pick someone to be the voice actor for male hero in Andromeda that already worked in a Bioware game, it would probably be him. 

[Grieving Natashina]

So he's casper the friendly space racist. Though I'm flattered he'd show such an interest in Krogan testicles and their exorbitant accompanying price tag (seriously what was he googling?) that will however never make up for or excuse racism.

I If anything, Ashley qualifed as being xenophobic (at least in ME1, she mellows in ME3) with her comparsion of dogs and aliens. In regards to Garrus, I think it's more than just being friendly. He doesn't appear to give a damn about what race you are.

As far as knowing about Krogan testicles and the going price of them, bare in mind that he's mentioned that he's seen organ smugglers during his time in C-Sec. Heck, his personal quest in ME1 revolves around a rather twisted organ dealer. I don't think he looked up anything on the net, I think he'd busted similar dealers in the past.

Well, to each their own. All characters are up for scrunity, so it's just a matter of opinion. I don't think either of us is right or wrong. It's just a difference in viewpoint. You're a big Krogan fan, as am I. As one fan to another, I think I can see where you might be coming from. I'm happy to agree to disagree on this front.

Besides, Garrus is very unlikely to appear in ME:A (and hopefully a turian squadmate won't be just Garrus 2.0,) so I'm not gonna stress it.

[In Exile]

I If anything, Ashley qualifed as being xenophobic (at least in ME1, she mellows in ME3) with her comparsion of dogs and aliens. In regards to Garrus, I think it's more than just being friendly. He doesn't appear to give a damn about what race you are.

As far as knowing about Krogan testicles and the going price of them, bare in mind that he's mentioned that he's seen organ smugglers during his time in C-Sec. Heck, his personal quest in ME1 revolves around a rather twisted organ dealer. I don't think he looked up anything on the net, I think he'd busted similar dealers in the past.

Well, to each their own. All characters are up for scrunity, so it's just a matter of opinion. I don't think either of us is right or wrong. It's just a difference in viewpoint. You're a big Krogan fan, as am I. As one fan to another, I think I can see where you might be coming from. I'm happy to agree to disagree on this front.

Besides, Garrus is very unlikely to appear in ME:A (and hopefully a turian squadmate won't be just Garrus 2.0,) so I'm not gonna stress it.

 

I don't think Ashley is xenophobic. I just thing whoever wrote that line isn't an animal person, and doesn't (and never) had a dog. If you approach it from the perspective of someone who doesn't "get" what it means to have a pet, then the analogy works. Or are we talking about the people from the pets line?

[Grieving Natashina]

I don't think Ashley is xenophobic. I just thing whoever wrote that line isn't an animal person, and doesn't (and never) had a dog. If you approach it from the perspective of someone who doesn't "get" what it means to have a pet, then the analogy works. Or are we talking about the people from the pets line?

I can see your point about the writers. I never thought of that.

To me, I was left with implication that she considered aliens somehow lesser than humans. It could be me reading more into it than was intended. I do like the character and she lives in a lot of my replays of the series. So when I say she's xenophobic, it's by no means a bashing on the character. Given her family history with her grandfather, it's understandable. Plus, she hadn't spent a lot of time with aliens for herself when she joined the Normandy. That's why I think she mellows with time.

Many times, xenophobia or phobias in general are easier to overcome with exposure to that culture. Or in this case, exposure to the different alien races.

[In Exile]

I can see your point about the writers. I never thought of that.

To me, I was left with implication that she considered aliens somehow lesser than humans. It could be me reading more into it than was intended. I do like the character and she lives in a lot of my replays of the series. So when I say she's xenophobic, it's by no means a bashing on the character. Given her family history with her grandfather, it's understandable. Plus, she hadn't spent a lot of time with aliens for herself when she joined the Normandy. That's why I think she mellows with time.

Many times, xenophobia or phobias in general are easier to overcome with exposure to that culture. Or in this case, exposure to the different alien races.

 

I didn't think it was an attack on the character - I just thought that Ashley had a real point to make about political divisions driven by perceived essential differences between groups. Her ultimate point is just that no matter how cordial the relationship between humans and Council races, humans are the "Other" and so the Council will prefer their "own".

 

That's not necessarily a race-based point (or even a species based point). If someone said that a government would - if given the choice - sacrifice the lives of non-citizens to protect their citizens, would people really protest? That's really her point. It just gets racial dimensions mixed in because of the (honestly, kind of racist) way sci-fi and fantasy use "non-human" for "not-white". 

[10K]

Yep, Brandon Keener gets around. Just saw him the other day in the movie Guilt Trip with Seth Rogan.

 

Edit: Oh and Yvonne Strahovski was in it also. It's like the ME actors stick together. You find one in a movie or a game; another is surly right behind. It's interesting.

[Shechinah]

I don't think Ashley is xenophobic. I just thing whoever wrote that line isn't an animal person, and doesn't (and never) had a dog. If you approach it from the perspective of someone who doesn't "get" what it means to have a pet, then the analogy works. Or are we talking about the people from the pets line?

 
That was my primary issue with the analogy and one of the reasons why I think it was a poor one to choose: it does not convey as intended as it is not uncommon for a person to be willing to defend their pet against dangers even if it is with risk to their own health. People can form bonds to their pets and consider them family. Not to mention that some people raise their pets from when said pets are basically babies.    

 

This is how I heacanon the exchange between Ashley and Sniper!Shepard:   

Ashley: “Look, if you walk in the woods with your dog and get attacked by a bear, you’ll let your dog get killed attacking the bear so you can run away and live. Because as much as you love your dog, he’s not a Human person.”

Shepard: "My dog's family. I don't abandon family."

[Obliviousmiss]

I think it's high time Brandon Keener was the voice of a PC in a game, because I need to hear that voice constantly.

 

ISAC in The Division is as close as I can get right now.

[Scarlett]

 

Ashley: “Look, if you walk in the woods with your dog and get attacked by a bear, you’ll let your dog get killed attacking the bear so you can run away and live. Because as much as you love your dog, he’s not a Human person.”

Shepard: "My dog's family. I don't abandon family."

 

Ashley compare all the aliens to dogs => animals and not even persons (human or not).

 

First I would never abandon my pet.

Second, considering other intelligent life forms, even more technologically advanced than us, as a pet and/or animals and think they are expendables... eur... just no. What is that crazy and stupid mentality ? I never played with her for that reason... Some humans on this game really need to learn humility.

[Chardonney]

 
That was my primary issue with the analogy and one of the reasons why I think it was a poor one to choose: it does not convey as intended as it is not uncommon for a person to be willing to defend their pet against dangers even if it is with risk to their own health. People can form bonds to their pets and consider them family. Not to mention that some people raise their pets from when said pets are basically babies.    

 

This is how I heacanon the exchange between Ashley and Sniper!Shepard:   

Ashley: “Look, if you walk in the woods with your dog and get attacked by a bear, you’ll let your dog get killed attacking the bear so you can run away and live. Because as much as you love your dog, he’s not a Human person.”

Shepard: "My dog's family. I don't abandon family."

 

I absolutely detest Ashley and that just made me dislike her even more. I wish there would have been an option for Shep to call her a complete moron but thankfully I can leave her to go boom in Virmire every single time.

 

I've had dogs before and currently I have a German Shepherd and let me tell you... if a bear or whatever freaking else attacked us, I would defend my boy no matter what might happen to myself. I've already been in a similar situation with one of my earlier dogs, when another dog attacked us on our walk. I will never ever leave my dog behind to save myself, never. Clearly whoever wrote that stupid analogy, is not a pet owner, 100% guaranteed. 

 

[Chardonney]

I think it's high time Brandon Keener was the voice of a PC in a game, because I need to hear that voice constantly.

 

Oh, yes, yes, yes. Agreed 100%. Maybe he'll get his change in MEA. *crosses fingers*

[Master Warder Z_]

I If anything, Ashley qualified as being xenophobic 

 

Nope. Your wrong. As usual.

 

She doesn't say much of anything that isn't pretty much spot on, will the council put their own interests ahead of humanities? Uh...I think the game demonstrates that enough for it to be the case.

 

Should humanity be prepared to fight its own battles by itself when the council is unwilling or unable to help them? That just seems like good advice to me.

 

Honestly, there is nothing even vaguely xenophobic about Ashley, if there was I would so recruit her for Cerberus she's soft and doesn't have the bile and hate in her to be a good operative.

[Master Warder Z_]

Ashley compare all the aliens to dogs => animals and not even persons (human or not).

 

First I would never abandon my pet.

Second, considering other intelligent life forms, even more technologically advanced than us, as a pet and/or animals and think they are expendables... eur... just no. What is that crazy and stupid mentality ? I never played with her for that reason... Some humans on this game really need to learn humility.

 

You obviously lack the context of the scenario, Ashley and Shep are talking about the lack of Council support during the hunt for Saren. Ash is talking about how Humanity as a species should be prepared to go it alone and not matter how benevolent or wise the Council may seem now, their own interests will always outweigh those of Humanities(which the game hammers into you as pretty much the case) So the council isn't the dog in this scenario, its humanity.

 

She's saying that if the situation warranted it? Humanity would be thrown under the bus without hesitation, and well surprise surprise come ME3

 

:/

 

Honestly people, she called it and you call her racist-poor show.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Garrus is dead

[Robert Cousland]

Watch Dogs was a disappointment, and I've been holding off on buying The Division.  And if The Division is Watch_Dogs with a Tom Clancy skin, then I shall not buy.  

 

I take back what I said, The Division is NOT Watchdogs 2.0, it's a goddamn Queue Simulator.

[Obliviousmiss]

Garrus is dead

 

Maybe in your playthrough, Garrus-killer. 

[Vortex13]

He also voices the pro-alien Speaker in XCOM 2, rather appropriately.

 

That game also has Brian Bloom (Varric) as your gruff second in command. And unlike Keener, I'd never have recognized Bloom if someone hadn't told me. That man has a lot of range in his voice acting.

 

 

I love XCOM 2.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I can see your point about the writers. I never thought of that.

To me, I was left with implication that she considered aliens somehow lesser than humans. It could be me reading more into it than was intended. I do like the character and she lives in a lot of my replays of the series. So when I say she's xenophobic, it's by no means a bashing on the character. Given her family history with her grandfather, it's understandable. Plus, she hadn't spent a lot of time with aliens for herself when she joined the Normandy. That's why I think she mellows with time.

Many times, xenophobia or phobias in general are easier to overcome with exposure to that culture. Or in this case, exposure to the different alien races.

If you're talking about the "if you're facing a bear and the only way to live is to sick your dog on it and run" analogy, that wasn't comparing aliens to dogs at all. She was saying the council would sacrifice human interests if they felt they needed to do so to save their own, regardless of how favorable our current relations with them were or not. Hence why she felt humanity couldn't rely on them overmuch. "Allies are ok, but don't expect them to be more than fairweather friends", basically. It was cynicism, not xenophobia. In fact, most of what she says that I hear people scream "racism" on is actually pragmatism/cynacism. 

 

The "I can't tell the aliens from the animals." line she says if you talk to her on the presidium is the closest she comes to actual racism that I know of and it can be argued that she's not really being racist there, either.

 

As for Garrus being racist... whut?

[KeraWildmane]

I don't think Ashley is xenophobic. I just thing whoever wrote that line isn't an animal person, and doesn't (and never) had a dog. If you approach it from the perspective of someone who doesn't "get" what it means to have a pet, then the analogy works. Or are we talking about the people from the pets line?

 

"I can't tell the people from the animals." - An actual Ashley Williams quote.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

"I can't tell the people from the animals." - An actual Ashley Williams quote.

"Whether we are human or alien, we are all just animals." - Another actual Ashley Williams quote. 

[In Exile]

"I can't tell the people from the animals." - An actual Ashley Williams quote.

 

It's not xenophobic, though. How many people who have never played ME would able to guess whether a hanar is a sapient alien or pet:

 

Spoiler

[Vortex13]

It's not xenophobic, though. How many people who have never played ME would able to guess whether a hanar is a sapient alien or pet:

 

 

Yeah, ME 1 Ashley isn't very "PC" in that regard but she is not a space racist, she honestly doesn't know. She has never left Alliance space before, and probably never saw an alien species outside of maybe a Turian.

 

 

The same thing with the hunting dog and the bear analogy she gives, she's not comparing other aliens to a dog, she is making a point that when the chips are down every species' tendency is to look out for their own; which comes true in ME 3.

 

 

ME 1 Ashley was actually a fairly nuanced character. Of course she was written by Chris L'etoile, the man behind everything cool, interesting, nuanced and "realistic" in the setting (IMO).

[In Exile]

Yeah, ME 1 Ashley isn't very "PC" in that regard but she is not a space racist, she honestly doesn't know. She has never left Alliance space before, and probably never saw an alien species outside of maybe a Turian.

 

 

The same thing with the hunting dog and the bear analogy she gives, she's not comparing other aliens to a dog, she is making a point that when the chips are down every species' tendency is to look out for their own; which comes true in ME 3.

 

 

ME 1 Ashley was actually a fairly nuanced character. Of course she was written by Chris L'etoile, the man behind everything cool, interesting, nuanced and "realistic" in the setting (IMO).

 

She's comparing humanity to the dog, and the Council to humanity (fun inversion, there, to get us to see that their reaction is so very "human") but what the analogy misses is that people would actually try and save their dog. That's besides the point, though. 

 

With the alien line, we have to be fair that she's actually seen vids etc. that show other aliens. I've never been to China, for example, but I have some idea of what it looks like because TV and the internet exist. So we can clearly say that Ashley should know some aliens. 

 

I think what ME1 fails to convey to us as the player is how diverse the Citadel is - we only see the races that Bioware has models for - but we should be seeing hundreds of diverse aliens in hugely different styles of dress.