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[Obliviousmiss]

I'd expect some sort of passive aggressiveness but with his nasal voice, it was even harder to see him sneering. As if it wasn't bad that all renegade dialogues with him in ME2 and ME3 was mostly neutral and you're never in direct conflict with him either way.

 

Then again, I don't judge his fans, he was rewritten to be an ever loyal lovable bigot after all.  

 

If I'm not mistaken, hardly anyone (squadmates) questions what you do in ME3. Just Tali and Wrex. And if Tali disagrees, she kills herself. If Wrex disagrees, you shoot him. 

 

So. 

 

Shepard was made to have a squad of loyal minions, and I'm ok with that. Who wants to be surrounded by someone who constantly badgers and disagrees with you? (AKA Solas / Vivienne / Morrigan / Sera.) 

 

Yes, I happen to be a Garrus lover, and yes, I see his flaws. But I thought I would point that out. 

[Master Warder Z_]

 Who wants to be surrounded by someone who constantly badgers and disagrees with you? 

 

Why wouldn't you just shoot them?

[Obliviousmiss]

Why wouldn't you just shoot them?

 

 

Hence my argument that Shepard squadmates are loyal, unquestioning, Shepard fans. 

[Master Warder Z_]

 

Hence my argument that Shepard squadmates are loyal, unquestioning, Shepard fans. 

 

When did I disagree with that?

[Obliviousmiss]

If I'm not mistaken, hardly anyone (squadmates) questions what you do in ME3. 

 

Who wants to be surrounded by someone who constantly badgers and disagrees with you? 

 

Why wouldn't you just shoot them?

 

 

 

When did I disagree with that?

 

You didn't disagree, you just missed my point. My point is Shepard's squad is meant to be loyal unquestioning followers, so Bioware didn't make them argue wiith you, hence, not possible to shoot them. [Mordin and Wrex dont' count, not squadmates.] 

[straykat]

If I'm not mistaken, hardly anyone (squadmates) questions what you do in ME3. Just Tali and Wrex. And if Tali disagrees, she kills herself. If Wrex disagrees, you shoot him. 

 

So. 

 

Shepard was made to have a squad of loyal minions, and I'm ok with that. Who wants to be surrounded by someone who constantly badgers and disagrees with you? (AKA Solas / Vivienne / Morrigan / Sera.) 

 

Yes, I happen to be a Garrus lover, and yes, I see his flaws. But I thought I would point that out. 

 

Well, I liked the various disagreements in ME2.

 

I guess it doesn't fit the ME3 story as well, but they could have toned down some of the buddy levels. Some of that makes me cringe.

[SofaJockey]

Meh. It's just sharp angles and black paint. That's exactly what the enemy will expect of a stealth ship.

 

'Looks like a fish, moves like a fish, steers like a cow...'

[aoibhealfae]

If I'm not mistaken, hardly anyone (squadmates) questions what you do in ME3. Just Tali and Wrex. And if Tali disagrees, she kills herself. If Wrex disagrees, you shoot him. 

 

So. 

 

Shepard was made to have a squad of loyal minions, and I'm ok with that. Who wants to be surrounded by someone who constantly badgers and disagrees with you? (AKA Solas / Vivienne / Morrigan / Sera.) 

 

Yes, I happen to be a Garrus lover, and yes, I see his flaws. But I thought I would point that out. 

 

In ME3, you can be in conflict with Kaidan & Ashley (Mars, Citadel Coup), Wrex and Mordin (sabotage Genophage), Legion & Tali (choose one over the other), Jacob (you can punch him if romanced) and Miranda (refuse giving her the Alliance resources, didn't say anything about Kai Leng, unloyal and she will die). Cause Javik to commit suicide and you can cause Steve's death if you choose to ignore him. And there's a bunch other characters who was simply killed off if they're unloyal (Grunt, Kasumi, Zaeed). Even Jack is even harder to survive unloyal through the suicide mission. 

 

But Garrus stays the same. He was written to be a singular optional character without too much character development and stagnated as a passive character while surrounded by a bunch other dynamic characters. Killing Saleon, dealing Sidonis, those two don't even matter especially if he was never recruited in ME1 and survived SM unloyal. If you choose to ignore him most of the game, he still treats you like his best friend forever and talk to you like you're his bestie.  At least with Liara, you can choose to be cold to her and not defend/baby her or anything and she will be more reserved but not out of character.

 

Having a character who is simply created to be completely likable, agreeable, blindly obedient and absolutely loyal without question is simply bad writing especially in Bioware games. Garrus deserved more than being Shepard's loyal pet. He deserved to be independent, to separate himself from Shepard's shadow, to be an adult and not be Shepard's cheerleader, to be successful on his own rather than try briefly and fail if he wasn't around Shepard or at the very least, are man enough to disagree or agree straight to Shepard's face. 

I don't hate Garrus. I just don't romanticize him enough that I see him through rose-tinted glasses.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Eh, my companions in SW:TOR disapprove of me all the time. Personally, I wouldn't have picked most of them to join me, but the game doesn't give you a choice. It's the worst as Consular. Qyzen likes danger, hunting and killing defeated enemies. Tharan likes science and technology and dislikes mysticsms like the Force. Zenith is a former resistance leader who hates the empire. Lt. Iresso hates the empire, too. Nadia is your padawan.

5 out of 6 will disapprove showing mercy to a defeated Imperial because Jedi don't kill. Thanks, BioWare! My companions are only happy if I slaughter everyone.

You can't win with them.

[ZipZap2000]

If I'm not mistaken, hardly anyone (squadmates) questions what you do in ME3. Just Tali and Wrex. And if Tali disagrees, she kills herself. If Wrex disagrees, you shoot him.

So.

Shepard was made to have a squad of loyal minions, and I'm ok with that. Who wants to be surrounded by someone who constantly badgers and disagrees with you? (AKA Solas / Vivienne / Morrigan / Sera.)

Jack punches you in the face after telling you to Fck off, Grunt tells you he might have to kill you one day (strongest things left in the galaxy if you defeat the reapers) Samara threatens to kill you. Shooting Mordin over the Genophage. Ashley cracks the shits if you like Liara AFTER she has a girly sook about it. Morinth tries to kill you twice if you save her.

Geez who else? Anyone wanna take over here?

[ZipZap2000]

Ok, you guys convinced me. Garrus is still a jerk.

Glad you've seen the light.

[ZipZap2000]

Well really, I wouldn't give too much of a fuss about the rest of Earth as long my family got out okay, so I can't really fault him on that front.

There'll be no more pancakes if earth falls private. Or worse yet, waffles.

[DaemionMoadrin]

There'll be no more pancakes if earth falls private. Or worse yet, waffles.

 

No internet, no tv shows, no novels, no movies, no more pork, beef and other meat. No bacon.

 

If the Earth blows up tomorrow, I don't know if I would want to survive in space if everything is just gone. Unless some sexy alien space babes manage to distract me from my sorrows...

[ZipZap2000]

Unless some sexy alien space babes manage to distract me from my sorrows...

We could join the Flotilla. Booty everywhere. But alas, no bacon.

[Jalepeno Fire]

I believe she says "And I would have been wrong." right after that sentence, though?

Doesn't really chance the fact that she said she would have committed genocide without even considering a second option. (I like Tali by the way, I'm just saying)

[Quarian Master Race]

 

Doesn't really chance the fact that she said she would have committed genocide without even considering a second option. (I like Tali by the way, I'm just saying)

and if anything she was talking about this in the context of it being the only means of preventing an actual, deliberate racially motivated genocide (i.e. not a glorified commercial recall done only because the off button doesn't work) by a bunch of toasters programmed with a highly racist anti meatbag ideology.

Tali's pretty much the least racist character in the entire series. It's kind of annoying, actually, as she even goes all bleeding heart for the rights of other species, like the krogan and their well deserved genophage. I wish she had displayed a little more fire against the Council species when she argues for you to let their leaders burn in ME1, as well.

Besides, you picked a pretty tame quote. There are much better ones IMO

"I hope that ship was full of those synthetic bastards"- on Feros
"A single geth has no more intelligence than a varren"
"Leave it there, you know what they are"- both in regard to the platform on the dead Reaper
"We don't even know if that thing is telling the truth"- after VI's weak Reaper hugging excuses on the dreadnought
"I knew that thing would turn on us"- after knifing the VI murder bot when it tried to murder bot someone

 

Just a shame the character is completely ruined into a spineless race traitor with that talking toaster around, happily selling her species into slavery to the synthetics out of some misplaced sense of Master Race guilt.

Meh, wish I could've recruited Xen for the squad instead.

[CrimsonN7]

'Looks like a fish, moves like a fish, steers like a cow...'

"She's built like a steakhouse but she handles like a bistro."

[iM3GTR]

ME 1 Ashley was actually a fairly nuanced character. Of course she was written by Chris L'etoile, the man behind everything cool, interesting, nuanced and "realistic" in the setting (IMO).

How do you know who wrote each character? I'm interested in seeing which different writer wrote for different squadmates.

[Chardonney]

How do you know who wrote each character? I'm interested in seeing which different writer wrote for different squadmates.

 

This might help...

http://forum.bioware...fect-character/

[iM3GTR]

This might help...
http://forum.bioware...fect-character/

Thanks.