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[Donquijote and 59 others]

I think your issue is that you think any of the above has ANYTHING to do with being badass. Subjective opinion, and all that.

What do you need to get badass cred? Do Cullen and Solas even have anything in common, besides a mutual lust for elven ladies..?

 

 

Dear @vetrigomez

Being a strong independent character isn't something that pertains subjectivity,most male companions and many Npcs are not strong and independent because they need to be babysitting by the PC in order to find confidence within themselves.

Most females characters with or without the PC continue to be independent in their pursuing(even if the PC act against them) and destiny while males remain losers.

 

Clearly a joke thread.

This one is half and half i swear

[Kurogane335]

Sten, Zevran, Anders, Oghren, Nathaniel, Arishok, Iron Bull, Dorian, Blackwall and Varric may want a word with you !

[straykat]

Sten, Zevran, Anders, Oghren, Nathaniel, Arishok, Iron Bull, Dorian, Blackwall and Varric may want a word with you !

 

Iron Bull is worse than Solas. He doesn't even know himself. He just drifts and screws around. Which is about as weak as it gets.

 

I'll at least give Solas credit for having some resolve.

[vertigomez]

Dear @vetrigomez
Being a strong independent character isn't something that pertains subjectivity,most male companions and many Npcs are not strong and independent because they need to be babysitting by the PC in order to find confidence within themselves.
Most females characters with or without the PC continue to be independent in their pursuing(even if the PC act against them) and destiny while males remain losers.

This still doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that Solas and Cullen are the only dudes in this series who're confident and independent? And if one has doubts about who they are or what they're doing, and they ask for the PC's advice, they're a "loser"?

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Sten, Zevran, Anders, Oghren, Nathaniel, Arishok, Iron Bull, Dorian, Blackwall and Varric may want a word with you !

yes and i described most of them

 

Sten suffer of insane troll logic, he his a loser who killed benefactors(worst form of betrayal) for no other reason than a suffering from insane troll logic without the help of the PC he is nothing more but a murderer.

 

Zevran i didn't give up much thought on him to be honest but if Ignacio said that he is closer than he truly is,worst crow of Antiva.

 

Anders seriously? The living whine?

 

Oghren the child dwarf

 

Nathaniel is one of the few exceptions but being a companion of an expansion and not of  a game don't help the character into being properly fleshed out

 

 

The iron bull ahhh of course

 

Varric is one of those who disappointed me a great DA2 companion who lost the moment i discovered that was a Bianca's minion

[Kurogane335]

That's actually what makes Iron Bull a memorable character in my book : he is quite complex, hesitating, like a lot of peoples.

[straykat]

That's actually what makes Iron Bull a memorable character in my book : he is quite complex, hesitating, like a lot of peoples.

 

I don't like it, because it's done many times.. and from far more believable rogues. Like Isabela and Zevran. Or Sarcastic Hawke Isabela is the better free spirit type.. and I can believe she's truly worldly. She's been everywhere. It doesn't come off like some joke, where Bioware wants to be funny and go against the grain by using a Qunari this time.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

This still doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that Solas and Cullen are the only dudes in this series who're confident and independent? And if one has doubts about who they are or what they're doing, and they ask for the PC's advice, they're a "loser"?

They are looser because without the PC they are nothing

 This isn't about taking advices from the Pc

 

look at Alistair ,the moment i do something he dislike he become a wandering drunk for the rest of his life.

 

look at Sebastian the moment i do something he dislike he became a tyrant

 

look at Anders what has become

 

look what a great loser Oghren is without the warden

 

Sten forever trapped in his own fallacy

 

Even Cullen life may be ruined forever because of the PC

[straykat]

 

They are looser because without the PC they are nothing

 This isn't about taking advices from the Pc

 

look at Alistair ,the moment i do something he dislike he become a wandering drunk for the rest of his life.

 

look at Sebastian the moment i do something he dislike he became a tyrant

 

look at Anders what has become

 

look what a great loser Oghren is without the warden

 

Sten forever trapped in his own fallacy

 

Even Cullen life may be ruined forever because of the PC

 

 

Alistair is pretty stubborn about Duncan and how great the Wardens are. I think they both suck, so I easily have conflicts with Alistair. He stands his ground on that.

 

He is generally weak though. He even says so himself. lol

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Alistair is pretty stubborn about Duncan and how great the Wardens are. I think they both suck, so I easily have conflicts with Alistair. He stands his ground on that.

 

He is generally weak though. He even says so himself. lol

Well at least Duncan and Riordan are honest,they admit that the GW suck.

The only cool thing they had(griffins) are gone so there is no reaosn to join them (but of course it is done by force lol)

[Catilina]

What about Fenris?

[vertigomez]

They are looser because without the PC they are nothing
 This isn't about taking advices from the Pc
 
look at Alistair ,the moment i do something he dislike he become a wandering drunk for the rest of his life.
 
look at Sebastian the moment i do something he dislike he became a tyrant
 
look at Anders what has become
 
look what a great loser Oghren is without the warden
 
Sten forever trapped in his own fallacy
 
Even Cullen life may be ruined forever because of the PC

Well... without the PC, plots don't happen. Morrigan doesn't get her god baby, Leliana doesn't switch her focus from niceness to knives and back again, Isabela never returns the Tome. I don't understand your criteria here. Are there not enough male characters who take initiative? Because if that's the case, I think Sebastian, Anders, Sten, etc. all definitely have goals of their own independent of the PC.

[Nicholas_]

They became as cuck as Canada or since the new leader Justin Trudeau has been renamed to Cuckanada.

[BansheeOwnage]

Clearly a joke thread.

Indeed, but still, I thought I'd say: As much as I appreciate Bioware having a lot of females characters, I find that in Dragon Age (but especially Mass Effect) I like a lot more of the guys and am not overly fond of the women, even though in real life I relate to women easier. I think it may have something to do with them trying too hard to make them... I don't know. Can't think of the right word. Whatever it was, I feel like they didn't let their female characters just be normal, believable people you could be friends with as much as they let the guys fulfill that role. So I could relate to them better overall.

[straykat]

Indeed, but still, I thought I'd say: As much as I appreciate Bioware having a lot of females characters, I find that in Dragon Age (but especially Mass Effect) I like a lot more of the guys and am not overly fond of the women, even though in real life I relate to women easier. I think it may have something to do with them trying too hard to make them... I don't know. Can't think of the right word. Whatever it was, I feel like they didn't let their female characters just be normal, believable people you could be friends with as much as they let the guys fulfill that role. So I could relate to them better overall.

 

I want all of them to be a bit "larger than life". Especially the Suicide team in ME2.. that's the best of the galaxy. I don't need them to be too relatable per se. One Jacob was enough.

[BansheeOwnage]

I want all of them to be a bit "larger than life". Especially the Suicide team in ME2.. that's the best of the galaxy. I don't need them to be too relatable per se. One Jacob was enough.

I'm having a hard time finding the right way to express what I mean, but I'm not asking the cast to be boring. That said, making someone pretty normal doesn't make them boring automatically. I also thought Jacob was boring, but that was because he wasn't interesting, not because he was normal.

 

I just don't want the whole cast to be larger-than-life.

[straykat]

I'm having a hard time finding the right way to express what I mean, but I'm not asking the cast to be boring. That said, making someone pretty normal doesn't make them boring automatically. I also thought Jacob was boring, but that was because he wasn't interesting, not because he was normal.

 

I just don't want the whole cast to be larger-than-life.

 

Maybe not the whole cast. But I think it fit ME2.. they're supposed to be exemplars, I think. Pure Krogan, Best Assassin, Best Bounty Hunter, Best Thief, Best Human Biotic, etc.. ME3 kind of toned it down, besides Javik and EDI (and I happened to like them the most too ).

[Donquijote and 59 others]

What about Fenris?

I forgot about him,regardless of what he think(i don't personally like his total refusal of magic and his own elven blood)he is cool

A strong character who managed to rebel against Danarius and who fought for his destiny.

Post DA2 his mission became try to free slaves from the magisters of Tevinter so i was a fool to forget him.

 

Well... without the PC, plots don't happen. Morrigan doesn't get her god baby, Leliana doesn't switch her focus from niceness to knives and back again, Isabela never returns the Tome. I don't understand your criteria here. Are there not enough male characters who take initiative? Because if that's the case, I think Sebastian, Anders, Sten, etc. all definitely have goals of their own independent of the PC.

If Morrigan don't gain the OGB(she didn't with me) even if she is mortal  knifed  she still did cool things,to become an empress adviser,to become more rich,to do stuff in the last court.

She may be a close minded and somehow arrogant character who is a terrible person and did horrible mistakes (trap yourself for the eternity XD) but i cannot say that she is a loser.

All those things are true for Leliana the left hand of the Divine co- founder of the Inquisition and adviser of the Inquisitor ,she doesn't need the PC.

These three males characters (Andy,Sebi and Sten) lost themselves, well in truth Sten never was a "self" to begin with.

What's so impressive about these three?What initiative they took exactly?

bomb a chantry?invade a city?

 

 

[straykat]

Well, Sten becomes the Arishok regardless of what you do with him apparently. Or so I'm led to believe. That's pretty impressive, I guess.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Indeed, but still, I thought I'd say: As much as I appreciate Bioware having a lot of females characters, I find that in Dragon Age (but especially Mass Effect) I like a lot more of the guys and am not overly fond of the women, even though in real life I relate to women easier. I think it may have something to do with them trying too hard to make them... I don't know. Can't think of the right word. Whatever it was, I feel like they didn't let their female characters just be normal, believable people you could be friends with as much as they let the guys fulfill that role. So I could relate to them better overall.

Of course because you prefer them to be losers  in this  fictional universe

[vertigomez]

If Morrigan don't gain the OGB(she didn't with me) even if she is mortal  knifed  she still did cool things,to become an empress adviser,to become more rich,to do stuff in the last court.
She may be a close minded and somehow arrogant character who is a terrible person and did horrible mistakes (trap yourself for the eternity XD) but i cannot say that she is a loser.
All those things are true for Leliana the left hand of the Divine co- founder of the Inquisition and adviser of the Inquisitor ,she doesn't need the PC.
These three males characters (Andy,Sebi and Sten) lost themselves, well in truth Sten never was a "self" to begin with.

I just... don't see much of a difference here, honestly. I see a bunch of flawed characters, ones with virtues and vices, who make mistakes and pursue their own agendas. You could say that Morrigan is manipulated by Flemeth, Leliana is manipulated by Justinia, etc. They both 'lost' themselves.

As far as Sten goes... well, I think that just depends on your opinion of the Qun.

What's so impressive about these three?What initiative they took exactly?
bomb a chantry?invade a city?

I didn't say they were positive things. But Solas does terrible things as well.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Well, Sten becomes the Arishok regardless of what you do with him apparently. Or so I'm led to believe. That's pretty impressive, I guess.

What impressive?

This was done by Bioware for the sole merit that Sten had,that he is one of the few unkillable characters of DAO.

If you help the Arishok with Isabela they wrote that contrived scenario in which Isabela managed to escape so that in everyone worldstate Sten is Arishok, even if he  was never recruited in DAO and thus was undeserving of the position because he lost even his sword and the others Qunari that were wih him

[straykat]

 

What impressive?

This was done by Bioware for the sole merit that Sten had,that he is one of the few unkillable characters of DAO.

If you help the Arishok with Isabela they wrote that contrived scenario in which Isabela managed to escape so that is everyone worldstate Sten is Arishok, even if he  was never recruited in DAO and thus was undeserving of the position because he lost even his sword and the others Qunari that were wih him

 

 

I think it's impressive if he escaped the cage on his own... and then got his sword and survived the blight.

 

I don't know how he did it.. but whatever. Good job..

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I didn't say they were positive things. But Solas does terrible things as well.

Point is that Solas lose and win,those males like Sebastian and Anders are just losers.

 

I just... don't see much of a difference here, honestly. I see a bunch of flawed characters, ones with virtues and vices, who make mistakes and pursue their own agendas. You could say that Morrigan is manipulated by Flemeth, Leliana is manipulated by Justinia, etc. They both 'lost' themselves.



 

Flemeth isn't a manipulator to begin with , she is a "nudge" for everyone ,this is what she was for the Warden,Hawke,the Inquisitor, Solas and Morrigan.

Morrigan was never manipulated by anyone other than her own experiences.

Leliana is too much malleable (Justina,Marjolaine,The Warden,the Inquisitor) she is crazy is part of her character but she still remain independent in this craziness

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I think it's impressive if he escaped the cage on his own... and then got his sword and survived the blight.

 

I don't know how he did it.. but whatever. Good job..

Do you truly believe that is believable that among all the Qunari in the world Sten becomes Arishok after his failures during the blights?

It was done just because Bioware want to reuse the character rather than his merits since he was defeated even  in the Silent grove..