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[MidnightWolf]

Evanuris all trapped because of him
Eluvians all in his hands
Inquisition tricked by him
If it wasn't for him your character would be dead
do the math

If it wasn't for him, the conclave wouldn't have exploded. But once again, you clearly played a different game to the rest of us.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

If it wasn't for him, the conclave wouldn't have exploded. But once again, you clearly played a different game to the rest of us.

lol I didn't,i'm simply able to recognize his merits.

When Solas gavee the Orb to Cory he knew that in order to be activated an explosion would have happened,he simply did not cared for the potential victims since for him they are not even people.

[Medhia_Nox]

@DonquijoteFamily:  So... where are these "merits" you're speaking of? 

 

Truth is... you have no idea if the other Evunaris are evil.  They could all have been good... and Mythal and Fen'Harel could have been evil.

 

If they weren't even then... they sure are now.  Solas is a scumbag.

[Jedi Comedian]

And Denier the dwarf at the Blooming Rose.

Human: Templars for you all day, is it?
Denier: They love dwarves. I don't ask why. Probably don't want to know. At least they tip well.

I think I know...

[Jalepeno Fire]

...

 

I don't understand this thread at all.

 

Apparently, what makes a companion qualify as 'badass' is if they're independent and don't need the protagonist.... All right... Let's see how the women stack up:

 

- Leliana needs the Warden to help her figure out her own personality (whether she's Stabby McStabbin' or Sweetie McCupcake)

- Morrigan needs the Warden to help her fix her mommy issues

- Wynne needs the Warden to fix son issues

- Isabela needs Hawke to properly fix the tome/stealing issues

- Merrill needs Hawke to fix her mirror/demon issues

- Aveline needs Hawke to fix her relationship/duty issues

- Cassandra needs the Inquisitor to fix her faith issues

- Vivienne needs the Inquisitor to fix her dying husband/political issues

- Sera needs the Inquisitor to fix her snobby nobles issues

- Josephine needs the Inquisitor to fix her family issues

 

 

 

... Huh.

Uh, yeah. These are called "sidequests". They have them for male characters too.

-Oghren needs the warden to fix his family/dating issues

- Nathaniel needs the warden to fix his daddy/sister issues

- Alistair needs the warden to fix his family issues

- Anders needs Hawke to help him with his "I want to blow up a church" issues

 

I'm all for pointing out offensive tropes but I just don't see it. Sorry.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

@DonquijoteFamily:  So... where are these "merits" you're speaking of? 

 

Truth is... you have no idea if the other Evunaris are evil.  They could all have been good... and Mythal and Fen'Harel could have been evil.

 

If they weren't even then... they sure are now.  Solas is a scumbag.

The Evanuris wanted to destroy the world or so Solas said,i don't know if he was lying but even i don't beleive in his version about the Evanuris,for all i know the Evanuris never had a chance to speak for themsleves.

Solas has merits at least compared to most others males char in this franchise for virtue of being more knowledgeable and because some of his plans succeeded.

FInd some other character that are better than him is difficult.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Uh, yeah. These are called "sidequests". They have them for male characters too.

-Oghren needs the warden to fix his family/dating issues

- Nathaniel needs the warden to fix his daddy/sister issues

- Alistair needs the warden to fix his family issues

- Anders needs Hawke to help him with his "I want to blow up a church" issues

 

I'm all for pointing out offensive tropes but I just don't see it. Sorry.

Not to mention that most of these female characters with or without the Pc help always reach the same outcome,so yea those are just sidequests

[Jedi Comedian]

I think I know...

Dwarves are obviously the ultimate lovers.

[thebigbad1013]

"What's wrong with males in DA"?

 

Nothing. Nothing is wrong with them.

 

Also... what, exactly, qualifies someone as a "loser", I wonder?

[vertigomez]

"What's wrong with males in DA"?
 
Nothing. Nothing is wrong with them.
 
Also... what, exactly, qualifies someone as a "loser", I wonder?

I don't know, but I keep getting distracted by your Beckett avatar.

Dat voice.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

"What's wrong with males in DA"?

 

Nothing. Nothing is wrong with them.

 

Also... what, exactly, qualifies someone as a "loser", I wonder?

The fact that they need the babysitter because they whine a lot

[Xerrai]

I find all of the males perfectly fine to be honest. They may have flaws, they may have personalities i may not like, they may have stances I disagree with but in the end they are fine. It would only be "wrong" if all the males in the game acted generally the same.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I find all of the males perfectly fine to be honest. They may have flaws, they may have personalities i may not like, they may have stances I disagree with but in the end they are fine. It would only be "wrong" if all the males in the game acted generally the same.

What fine,they're whiners who became failures if they are not supported by the Pc.

[Xerrai]

What fine,they're whiners who became failures if they are not supported by the Pc.

Maybe to you, but that is far from the truth in many cases.

[AnimalBoy]

The definition of insanity is trying to talk sense to the OP.

[Phoe77]

I like most of the male characters just fine as well, but then again I also liked Carth and Anomen so maybe I have a thing for "whiners".  Call me crazy, but I've always thought that people have a right to get emotional when discussing traumatic points in their history.  

[sniper_arrow]

The fact that they need the babysitter because they whine a lot

 

Pot calling kettle black

[Dancing_Dolphin]

The fact that they need the babysitter because they whine a lot

...but Solas and Cullen don't "whine" or need help from the Inquisitor? Hmmm.

[GoldenGail3]

No - I like them all. Alistair is my favorite though.

[stop_him]

 

I think that aside from some few notable exceptions(your highness Solas and Cullen of DAI) the others are a bunch of losers with no fiber and strong temper.

The few that could have been interesting to explore die (like Duncan,Daveth and Riordan).

So what's wrong with males in DA? Where are the badassess strong male characters?

 

 

LOSERS

King Alistair- a spineless loser IF he dumps a his love interest (nonhuman, nonhuman) in favor of becoming King because suddenly that is more important. He never loved her, but is willing to keep her as a piece of ass on the side. Loser for sure.

Anders- should have killed himself instead of putting that decision on Hawke. Coward.

Varric- surely likable, but a real pushover when it comes to Bianca. He seems incapable of taking a clear stance on issues in DAI

Iron Bull- can't make the decision to save or sacrifice the Chargers on his own. Guess that's why he'd never be Arishok

 

WINNERS

Loghain - he loses the battle but accepts his defeat with dignity if you kill him OR if made a Grey Warden, fully embraces his duty in DAI. He follows his own personal convictions, and what he thinks is right. It's admirable at least. 

[DebatableBubble]

Have we really run out of things to argue about that we have to resort to this?

[Phoe77]

So from what I gather, the definition of "loser" in this topic is "anyone who makes a bad or unpopular decision or who has difficulty overcoming painful or complicated emotional issues, unless I happen to like them".

 

Overcoming deeply instilled cultural beliefs while knowing that doing so will forfeit your place in the society to which you've belonged for your entire life is, after all, an easy affair for anyone who isn't a big losery loser like the Iron Bull.  Anders should have just done the responsible thing after blowing up a city block because it's clear that he's totally in his right mind during the entirety of DA2 and therefore should be judged in the same way as a normal person who isn't mentally ill/so-fundamentally-enmeshed-with-an-alien-intelligence-that-he-freely-admits-that-he-can't-tell-where-one-of-them-ends-and-the-other-begins.  Trust me, I am not one of those "Anders did nothing wrong!" people and, while I like Iron Bull well enough, he's not my favorite character.  Still, I think some people are seriously under representing how difficult it can be to make these kinds of choices.  

 

It's especially mystifying because I can't see how the female characters aren't largely the same.  Leliana doesn't resolve her issues with Marjolaine without the Warden's help, and the way we handle the quest strongly influences her outlook.  If not for Hawke's influence, Isabella would have happily run off with the book despite knowing that people are dying in the streets of Kirkwall in large part because of her actions.  Aveline, despite being a strong and normally very confident woman, can't even talk to the boy she likes, and Cassandra looks to the Inquisitor to decide whether or not she should try to reform the Seekers after her faith is shaken in her personal quest.  

 

Struggling with doubt and looking to the people you trust for guidance doesn't make someone a loser, in my opinion.

[stop_him]

So from what I gather, the definition of "loser" in this topic is "anyone who makes a bad or unpopular decision or who has difficulty overcoming painful or complicated emotional issues, unless I happen to like them".

 

 

 

Not really. I don't necessarily like/dislike the characters I mentioned. I assessed based on the criteria OP posted. I suppose the exception is King Alistair, which is mostly poor writing. The whole "I'll only marry a non mage human queen" was simply artificial drama and plot convenience. It was as ill-conceived as the Old God Baby, which Bioware has said they regretted.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

No - I like them all. Alistair is my favorite though.

Dear Alistair is nothing without the warden,he need the warden to take the throne,to defeat the blight to cry over her shoulder and without the warden he is a spineless.

If you romanced him is only because there weren't better males char in DAO like Ser Gilmore.

Have we really run out of things to argue about that we have to resort to this?

Lol there is nothing like this thread  into the Bsn so at least  give me a point for originality and creativity.

 

So from what I gather, the definition of "loser" in this topic is "anyone who makes a bad or unpopular decision or who has difficulty overcoming painful or complicated emotional issues, unless I happen to like them".

 

Overcoming deeply instilled cultural beliefs while knowing that doing so will forfeit your place in the society to which you've belonged for your entire life is, after all, an easy affair for anyone who isn't a big losery loser like the Iron Bull.  Anders should have just done the responsible thing after blowing up a city block because it's clear that he's totally in his right mind during the entirety of DA2 and therefore should be judged in the same way as a normal person who isn't mentally ill/so-fundamentally-enmeshed-with-an-alien-intelligence-that-he-freely-admits-that-he-can't-tell-where-one-of-them-ends-and-the-other-begins.  Trust me, I am not one of those "Anders did nothing wrong!" people and, while I like Iron Bull well enough, he's not my favorite character.  Still, I think some people are seriously under representing how difficult it can be to make these kinds of choices.  

 

It's especially mystifying because I can't see how the female characters aren't largely the same.  Leliana doesn't resolve her issues with Marjolaine without the Warden's help, and the way we handle the quest strongly influences her outlook.  If not for Hawke's influence, Isabella would have happily run off with the book despite knowing that people are dying in the streets of Kirkwall in large part because of her actions.  Aveline, despite being a strong and normally very confident woman, can't even talk to the boy she likes, and Cassandra looks to the Inquisitor to decide whether or not she should try to reform the Seekers after her faith is shaken in her personal quest.  

 

Struggling with doubt and looking to the people you trust for guidance doesn't make someone a loser, in my opinion.

that isn't the point.

Both Aveline and Leliana and Isabela can do fine on their own they don't necessarily need the Pc.

All those like Alistair,Anders,Oghren,Sebastian pretty much without the Pc support become failures for life

-A drunk,a crazy fugitive,a loser in Orzammar,forever a crazy Tyrant(ok maybe he isn't a loser because he still accepted his family power and chosed his destiny )

 

Cullen isn't because even if he became an addict that's just the fate of most templars it is not his fault.

Dorian isn't he doesn't need the inquisitor for anything

Solas isn't because many ot the things he did he succeeded and an Evanuris can't be a loser by default, surely he did remarkable things in Elvhenan

 

[AnimalBoy]

You know who's a really strong, well written male character? The Nug King.